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PxDnNinja wrote:
From Necron FAQ on GW Website:

Q. Can units of Necron Warriors enter from
reserve as normal or must they enter via a
Monolith?
A. If the players hold any units of Necron
Warriors in reserve, he must specify if they are
going to enter the game through the Monolith or
simply walk in from their own table edge, as
normal. If units of Warriors are using this rule
and all available Monoliths are destroyed, the
Warriors count as destroyed and may therefore
trigger the Phase Out of the on-table portion of
the army.

The rule in the codex is worded the way it is due to how units were done in 3rd edition. The way it plays now is any unit of warriors you hold in reserve must be declared as walking on or coming via a portal.

I was not aware of that rule either. That's a pretty difficult decision to make at the beginning of the game and having to deploy them that way! At least the Dark Eldar get the option if they don't want to deploy from a webway portal. I'll be curious to see if Dash followed this rule in his other battle reports, or whether he used the rule from the codex, which says that your first two troops choices can deploy however you would like.

Witzkatz wrote:Hulksmash and Dashofpepper can both validate that Dash has only deleted two posts. Both by Bunker. Please remember that attacking a forum member who is banned is against the rules. Even if they weren't banned.

And I can confirm that there's three from me that went missing. None of which were "trolling". And at least three more that have gone missing not by me. Plus one now from Pyriel-

I actually can't confirm how many have been deleted. Once you delete they are gone forever.

I do know of 2 specifically that were deleted as well as one of Dash's that was deleted.

Like I told people who have enquired. He has full rights to mod his own threads on my blog. My threads are out of bounds for him but his own posts are his playground. As long as he doesn't step outside of my rules on how he replies to things then I leave them alone.

Why do you have to come here and flog his battle reports?

Mannahnin wrote:

Pyriel- wrote:

There's more details here: http://hulksmash-homeplace.blogspot.com/2011/05/dashofpepper-and-hulksmash-join-forces.html

To bad anything posted that goes against the grain over there is immediately removed and no, I´m not talking about "mere" trolling.
Needless to say dakka ought to be the board to post about the batreps, at least here posts that arent in line with the batrep creators opinions dont get deleted.

Feel free to comment on the battle report/s here, since they were cross-posted here. However posts being hostile or rude to a former or currently-suspended Dakka member are not permitted. He's not able to defend himself here, and posting by proxy using his wife's or someone else's account is a violation of the rules. If you want to make a civil comment on the blog, I expect that should work fine. Maybe try emailing it to Hulksmash if a post you think was polite gets deleted.

Isn't posting a battle report through someone elses blog (but still posting it here) posting by proxie and being aginst the rules. I know Dash has banned himself but that too is a big joke if he links his articles here anyways (he just wants to MOD his own threads like always). I think its funny he gets punished for being rude, then bypasses the punishment and its OK with the MODs. I like Dashes Bat Reps too but he should at least wait till his suspension is up before linking articles/still posting indirectly.

olympia wrote:Why do you have to come here and flog his battle reports?

Because I for one like to read Dash's battle reports and I appreciate the heads-up that there is something new. There are enough batreps on these forums that link to Blogs. I see no problem.

Cilithan

lol becuz some people wants to feel important and that they must project their *opinions* in a batrep, while contributing nothing of value in terms of strategy and helpfulness to the general readers. I mean everyone has rights to their own opinions, but writing subjective things in order to express ones own desires and feelings, sometimes will annoy many people and to some it do seem like trolling. How you feel about improving this hobby and your *values* may meant alot to you but understand that it may mean jack feth to many others.

Grimgob wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:

Pyriel- wrote:

There's more details here: http://hulksmash-homeplace.blogspot.com/2011/05/dashofpepper-and-hulksmash-join-forces.html

To bad anything posted that goes against the grain over there is immediately removed and no, I´m not talking about "mere" trolling.
Needless to say dakka ought to be the board to post about the batreps, at least here posts that arent in line with the batrep creators opinions dont get deleted.

Feel free to comment on the battle report/s here, since they were cross-posted here. However posts being hostile or rude to a former or currently-suspended Dakka member are not permitted. He's not able to defend himself here, and posting by proxy using his wife's or someone else's account is a violation of the rules. If you want to make a civil comment on the blog, I expect that should work fine. Maybe try emailing it to Hulksmash if a post you think was polite gets deleted.

Isn't posting a battle report through someone elses blog (but still posting it here) posting by proxie and being aginst the rules. I know Dash has banned himself but that too is a big joke if he links his articles here anyways (he just wants to MOD his own threads like always). I think its funny he gets punished for being rude, then bypasses the punishment and its OK with the MODs. I like Dashes Bat Reps too but he should at least wait till his suspension is up before linking articles/still posting indirectly.

Actually by the letter of the rules Hulksmash is merely linking his blog to dakka. The fact that one of the authors is a banned member doesn't matter much unless he is using Hulksmash's account and possibly if he asked. If Hulksmash just decided to link out of the goodness of his heart then I think its ok.

Grimgob wrote:
Isn't posting a battle report through someone elses blog (but still posting it here) posting by proxie and being aginst the rules. I know Dash has banned himself but that too is a big joke if he links his articles here anyways (he just wants to MOD his own threads like always). I think its funny he gets punished for being rude, then bypasses the punishment and its OK with the MODs. I like Dashes Bat Reps too but he should at least wait till his suspension is up before linking articles/still posting indirectly.

Would you just stop posting in these threads already, if you think that is an issue then report it to a MOD rather than trying to start up more drama. Why is it that the 4 or 5 people that do not even like the OP of this thread are so prolific in posting in them. What someone else does on their own blog with respect to moderating the content is entirely up to them and is not a discussion of battle reports.

For a Necron or Ork player this first battle is a really good read and emphasizes an idea I heard years ago playing 'Magic.' The theory was 'Who's the beatdown?' which suggested that your play style has to change based on your opponents capabilities. Example is a mid game style deck versus a long game deck. The mid game deck is the beatdown because it needs to play aggressively to take down the long game deck.

Similar idea in this battle, maybe instead it is 'Who's the gunline?' In this case the Orks were actually the gunline and need to play as if that is the case by bubble wrapping important units with Boyz, counter charging where appropriate and whittling down the opposing army before engaging in assault.

I liked the report, I like Dashes bat reps (as stated in my post), I play Orks and got insight from the rep. I just think its unfair he gets to side step he rules. His wife came on to give information and he started bloging to get away from Dakka but links it here. Seams like hes still posting to me.

Grimgob wrote:I liked the report, I like Dashes bat reps (as stated in my post), I play Orks and got insight from the rep. I just think its unfair he gets to side step he rules. His wife came on to give information and he started bloging to get away from Dakka but links it here. Seams like hes still posting to me.

It is and it follows the previous pattern of him getting away with stuff in the past because of his toy soldier celebrity and the value he did actually bring in quality content to the site. If Hulk had linked to his general blog without mention of dash's report (instead of it being in the title and the whole focus of the thread), it wouldn't be a circumvention of the rules for proxy posting... but then it wouldn't generate the daily dose of dash o drama.

Plenty of people come in here and post links to battle reports on youtube or on their personal blogs. I don't see a problem with Hulksmash posting links to Dash's reports on his blog. Dash isn't posting here, nor is he having anyone come on to deal with the trolls who are still posting in his other reports here.

augustus5 wrote:Plenty of people come in here and post links to battle reports on youtube or on their personal blogs. I don't see a problem with Hulksmash posting links to Dash's reports on his blog. Dash isn't posting here, nor is he having anyone come on to deal with the trolls who are still posting in his other reports here.

Sure they do and that's fine... but they're not doing it for SUSPENDED members which is the key point you're missing. You're not supposed to post by proxy for someone suspended/banned and a thread that is nothing but a link to a member's writings who is in that category is doing just that. After the suspension is over if Dash is still in his self imposed exile, its kosher. Either way, I don't really care anymore. Post by proxy till infinity and beyond! Unsubscribed.

Wow, intense

If the Mods have an issue with it I'm totally open to talk about it. But my understanding of it was that it was a fine thing to do as it's MY blog. Also a key thing is that the Batrep had already been started on here. I linked it as people were asking in the old thread before it was closed for the who report.

If you visited and checked out some of my stuff too thanks.

WarOne wrote:

augustus5 wrote:I don't know about you but I don't enjoy wiping somebody off of the board. It's not nearly as much fun as being challenged by another great general with a good list.

Dash has also gone out of his way to utilize inferior codices to make his armies. He is challenging himself to do better with a handicap for the times when he doesn't need to bring his bestest best army.

The Dark Eldar were never an inferior codex. Rare, and with ugly models yes...but inferior no.

And I still contend that he will lose to any decent player that knows how to defeat Necrons.

Blackmoor wrote:

WarOne wrote:

augustus5 wrote:I don't know about you but I don't enjoy wiping somebody off of the board. It's not nearly as much fun as being challenged by another great general with a good list.

Dash has also gone out of his way to utilize inferior codices to make his armies. He is challenging himself to do better with a handicap for the times when he doesn't need to bring his bestest best army.

The Dark Eldar were never an inferior codex. Rare, and with ugly models yes...but inferior no.

And I still contend that he will lose to any decent player that knows how to defeat Necrons.

I do not consider Dark Eldar to be inferior. And it will not take just a decent player to beat DoP. You still need to be good to pilot an army against him even if he takes Necrons.

Bunker wrote:

Witzkatz wrote:Hulksmash and Dashofpepper can both validate that Dash has only deleted two posts. Both by Bunker. Please remember that attacking a forum member who is banned is against the rules. Even if they weren't banned.

And I can confirm that there's three from me that went missing. None of which were "trolling". And at least three more that have gone missing not by me. Plus one now from Pyriel-

In WHAT UNIVERSE is "Dakka's better off without you" not trolling? Given the posting history of both of you, one of you is lying. Either Dash is on a rampage deleting comments, or you're doing your usual. I tend to believe him.

Hulksmash wrote:... But my understanding of it was that it was a fine thing to do as it's MY blog.

Pretty much this. There is no problem with you linking to content on your own blog.


If people wish to discuss that content here, that's also fine. If you have personal issues with the author of that content, or issues with the moderation of Hulksmash's blog, those are things better discussed there, rather than here.

Blackmoor wrote:

WarOne wrote:

augustus5 wrote:I don't know about you but I don't enjoy wiping somebody off of the board. It's not nearly as much fun as being challenged by another great general with a good list.

Dash has also gone out of his way to utilize inferior codices to make his armies. He is challenging himself to do better with a handicap for the times when he doesn't need to bring his bestest best army.

The Dark Eldar were never an inferior codex. Rare, and with ugly models yes...but inferior no.

And I still contend that he will lose to any decent player that knows how to defeat Necrons.

This, I 100% agree. If I were the Ork player I would have held back until the warriors came on from reserve and just murdered the heck out of them, poof army gone. The minute most opponents realize killing warriors = win this list will fall apart.

WarOne wrote:

augustus5 wrote:I don't know about you but I don't enjoy wiping somebody off of the board. It's not nearly as much fun as being challenged by another great general with a good list.

Dash has also gone out of his way to utilize inferior codices to make his armies. He is challenging himself to do better with a handicap for the times when he doesn't need to bring his bestest best army.

I'm not sure I would call Orks or Deldar inferior codexes.

vonjankmon wrote:

Blackmoor wrote:

WarOne wrote:

augustus5 wrote:I don't know about you but I don't enjoy wiping somebody off of the board. It's not nearly as much fun as being challenged by another great general with a good list.

Dash has also gone out of his way to utilize inferior codices to make his armies. He is challenging himself to do better with a handicap for the times when he doesn't need to bring his bestest best army.

The Dark Eldar were never an inferior codex. Rare, and with ugly models yes...but inferior no.

And I still contend that he will lose to any decent player that knows how to defeat Necrons.

This, I 100% agree. If I were the Ork player I would have held back until the warriors came on from reserve and just murdered the heck out of them, poof army gone. The minute most opponents realize killing warriors = win this list will fall apart.

One problem is that it is harder to get past a wall on monoliths than you think. Most players don't take a lot of s9+ weapons and 3 ordinance shots is nothing to laugh at. The orc player could have played a stall game and waited on the koptas to come in and use those to take out a warrior squad with a little luck.

My guess is he should have waited one turn, tried to get into assault range of the 'liths and then try to pop them with the nobz and warboss. (does furious charge get added before or after power klaws?) 8 s9 or 10 hits that hit on a 4+ and then another 5 attacks at s10 might be able pop one maybe even two. Of course now you are at the mercy of the wraiths so its not perfect but you have eliminated his mobile 'you cannot see me cover'.

I suspect he will be posting here again.

Kilkrazy wrote:

WarOne wrote:

augustus5 wrote:I don't know about you but I don't enjoy wiping somebody off of the board. It's not nearly as much fun as being challenged by another great general with a good list.

Dash has also gone out of his way to utilize inferior codices to make his armies. He is challenging himself to do better with a handicap for the times when he doesn't need to bring his bestest best army.

I'm not sure I would call Orks or Deldar inferior codexes.

Agreed. He is currently using Necrons, and has stated that seeks to abuse vanilla Eldar once the Necs get an update.

Abuse?

Furious charge is added after doubling the strength for a Klaw, so it is s9 on the charge.

so much drama rofl.

cool batrep, really didnt seem like the orcs could do a whole lot against the necrons percision strikes.

warboss wrote: ... daily dose of dash o drama.

Heh! That's worth some sig time.

Here are the mistakes I made in my game against Dashofpepper:

1) I became too fixated on the fact that his wraiths could charge 18" and didn't think about the fact that they would either have to teleport through the monolith or move over the monoliths to assault.

Knowing that Dash moved up first turn, I should have gone for the 13-14" range while my warboss assaulted a monolith. This would have forced him to either take hits on his monoliths from the kans and warboss, or to teleport through the liths to assault my kans. Either way, the outcome would have been better on Turn 2.

2) I set one of my outflanking Deffkoptas on the table, then went to set down the other two on the opposite side but forgot to move the first. Originally, he was intended to go to the midline of his warriors unit.

I didn't realize I had forgotten to move him until midway through shooting, when I was already done softening up his warriors. Now he had no charge and a buncha P.O.'d warriors ready to shoot him.

3) I should have kept my second mob of boys (the one with the KFF) in range to assault his wraiths when they went after my first mob.

4) I expected his deceiver to crush my killa kans. Instead, he rolled a 1 and a 2 for the pen results, and was stuck in combat, so I couldn't shoot down the deceiver. The Deceiver is very vulnerable to lootas when compared to just about anything else in the game that could hurt it.

5) I took 12 fearless wounds on a squad of 10 boys and a nob in the multi-combat. Had I allocated 2 to the nob, I would have lost the entire unit. However, I only allocated 1. In hindsight, I still think I made the right call, as statistically I should have passed two saves instead of none.

6) I should have moved and run the lootas on Turn 1. This would have opened up more of his backfield and made his warrior deployment trickier. I knew they couldn't hurt the monoliths, but ended up letting them sit where they were.


I would like to request that those that dislike Dashofpepper, please take your comments elsewhere. He's my friend, and he's a fun opponent for me to play against. He wrote this battle report at my request to help me analyze the game and learn from my mistakes, as I want to be a better player. I don't appreciate a game I'm involved in turning into a drama fest because a third party came into the thread to attack my opponent. It's not cool at all.

What tournaments are these? Are they even close to the scale that dashes batreps are on? I don't think you can compare a tournament at you FLGS and ARDboys. Also your definition of normal is limiting. Some people enjoy getting the absolute most out of any thing they play seeing taking anything else as being simply ineffective and a waste of time and money.

You are correct, the biggest tourneys are pretty much all cutthroat.
I speak of tournaments on a 100-120 armies scale however and not FLGS.
A couple of good examples would be our own tournaments here, 2-3 a year, the size around 100 registered armies, nation wide championships (no FLGS).

What FLGS we have here are funny enough cutthroat with around the size of around 20 armies.

I frequently play my games against longfang spam space wolves, battle wagon rush, mech IG etc and we both a have a great time because we are friends participating in a hobby we both enjoy.

Well good for you and I wish you some very happy gaming experiences.

Not all people are like you however, I have actually z e are o friends that enjoy playing absolute cheese armies against their friends, those tend to be very boring and repetitive (there are only so many ways you can build a SW razorspam list) no matter how much beer, pizza and jokes come along with the games.

So what is regular game play in your eyes? It is different than what I would call regular game play. My point is simply do not take what your point of view of what the hobby should be and condemn people for not following it.

Probably is. I enjoy playing the occasional cutthroat game but ONLY against an equally cutthroat army/build that stands a close to equal chance against mine. How fun is t to table your oppoennt or be tabled on turn 3? Why did I even unpack my minis for that I wonder.

Mostly I enjoy playing "normal" builds against equally powered builds, meaning the emphasis is on power and efficiency but with "fun" things thrown in to add variation, fun and new experiences.
Making my usual power Vulkan drop pod hammernator army over and over again is NOT fun for my opponents who only get to see the same cheese time again. Thus I can add "crap" like LoTD, vanguards, weird and not efficient combinations etc to tone down the pure efficiency but make for a more fun battle, especially if I meet the same opposition so the games will last for 6 turns and be decided with the last dice throw. THAT is a fun game.

If I enjoyed tabling opponents on turn 3 with the sole purpose was to win as fast and massively as possible every time I would probably be a hardcore cutthroat tournament player myself but nope, I dont like meeting or playing with only the very best units/combos every single time with most results being massacres in either way. That is as far from an exciting game I can think of.
Speaking of challenge, if I want to really and I mean really challenge myself strategically there is chess or predetermined 40k army builds that will give said challenge, massacring some less cutthroat army on turn 3 with my unbeatable doom machine is to me, not a challenge but again, this is just my personal opinion.

He most likely will never have a guide on showing how to use in effective units as the are ineffective... If they can not perform their function then why take them?

Why? Well I thought he was super good for one and I thought he wanted to challenge himself for another one. Talk about being a 40k god if you can pull those things of and also, talk about personal challenge. Heck I would be a freaking paying subscriber to such batreps!!!!

Really you are saying bringing a strong list is the same as stealing candy from a baby

Yes really. I am saying that a cutthroat list that is so much stronger then another cutthroat list that is steamrolls it most of the times is player skill is generally on the same level is not a challenge.
Make of it whatever you wish but try to refrain from interpreting this into something that is isnt.

I would be surprised if you found it an insult that I didnt give my best against you in a game if I used a super power list against your normal build for example.
That I would see as me being immature and only wanting to win not thinking of your wanting to have a fun game also.
Should we both use lists balanced to be equal then I would give it my best. you understand me better now?

I dont say I see my point as morally better since there is no right or wrong way to play this game, all I say is that I dont see it a challenge to steamroll others because my army is so much more powerful.
A real challenge imo would be to actually use a LESS powerful lists to beat more powerful ones...kind of like using one or several "fun" units that nobody takes since they are not 100% cutthroat.
You dont use a ferrari to race a fiat and call it a challenge when you win 99 times out of a 100. You do however show skill and the overcoming of great personal challenge if you win a race using your fiat against that ferrari. That fact you cannot escape from no matter how our points and views may differ.

So you think he is awesome for accomplishing something you do not think is challenging? Why pray-tell do you think it is awesome?

Simple. The time and effort put into the batreps is admirable. Satisfied?
Now remove your subtle insinuations to me trolling etc before I start to respond to them in kind please.

What meta would that be? What kind of tournament would that be? a GTT a RTT? NOVA open? The meta does not determine what is powerful

Oh but it does. If no GKS are present in a tournament then deepstriking is not negatively affected, if no MEQ are present in a tournament then plasma weapons are a bad choice etc. Ergo: meta alters the power of units and can alter it pretty much.
Remember, the question was about meta in itself, not specific tournament examples.

But yet you condemn him for bringing powerful lists? Do you friends now bring those same lists or similar? Do you win regularly against them? I ask this because earlier you stated your win record was pretty good ( kudos btw). If you do win against them regularly were the games still fun if they brought the power lists?

I condemn nothing of that kind. for an accurate list of what I dont agree with I refer you to carefully rereading my post.

My win record is right there in my bottom signature (although I need to update it more often).

And yes, my friends are using his builds to get better success rates and guess what, I am ok with that since I still win against them therefore I am ok with power lists being used against my normal or even weak (fluffy) lists. Maybe the skill level is so big that it evens out things maybe they are secretly drunk when playing against me and loose because of that, maybe I´m just that good or maybe they are just that bad we dont know and we care not. What is important is that our games have become more balanced, I can be more ruthless and not hold back as much and the games are usually decided on last turn instead of 3-4 and everybody is more happy and we end up playing more often.

Last game was yesterday against an ork playing friend that swore orks are impossible to win with against GK, I pointed him towards the batrep where jenthkins (I think) mech orks totally massacred a "competitive" purifyer GK army, he used the same ork build and the same strategy and I build a hillareous and fun GK chicken army (stormraven).
The outcome was pretty much a guaranteed ork victory but to our both surprise the GK won with 2-0 all thanks to well placed objectives.
The battle was meant to be posted as a batrep on dakka today but being the idiot that I am I realized first after the battle that I totally forgot to take pics *gah*.

As for power gaming that you think I´m so much against, the funny thing is that around here I am actually like a mini Dash, I am the one pushing for more power gaming since the whole damn city and everyone I know just play "normal" or fluffy armies. I would actually be barred from my friends tournaments/campaigns if I used my tournament power builds.
So there is a level of paradox with my issues in here but as I said, I´m more for balance on the tabletop since it brings the most fun games, no matter power level and a challenge can only come from either balanced play or underdog play, not by using the very strongest cheese against weaker cheese.

Because it is their blog and they have sole discretion over what is posted? If you do not believe their is a point in posting there don't its really quite simple.

Rest assured I´m not. It is also my right to complain about posts being censored, especially if the censoring is to save face himself, as it their right to censor them. That fair enough?

People will have a different out look on how to play the game, Dashes style of play lends to the very competitive squeezing every possible advantage out of his list to make it a finely tuned killing machine.

Contrary to what you seem to think I agree and I also fully understand and can appreciate the fun of that. I will however not, call it a challenge!

Your style of play is different than dashes, ( as is mine albeit to a lesser extent it appears) and that is fine its great, it shows that the hobby can lend itself to many different types of play which is fantastic. Please don't look down on another way of playing the hobby simply because you don't agree. If you don't agree with it voice your concern in a respectful way.

I am not looking down, as I said a zillion times, I´m just against claiming it to be a challenge. If anything the list building in itself is the challenge.
I am also very pleased finally being able to discuss this with someone else (you) in a civilized manner without the usual idiots who come barging in screaming "troll" without even taking a minute to understand the post. I appreciate that with you and hope we can continue to keep things civil despite us not agreeing on certain points.

SonsofVulkan wrote:lol you think 3 Mono-Wraithwing is a powerbuild? Its not anything new, many used similar in the past and many failed horribly in competitive play. It is a difficult list to play(due to low model count and faster phaseout) and the codex itself is very weak. People struggle against it because they dont expect facing Necrons and dont bother bringing S10 thinking meltas are enough against AV14. Dash is pretty much trying to make people feel stubid for not being prepare to deal with everything and to think that necrons are dead in the tournament scenes.

And unlike the Destroyer/Monolith combo, the Wraiths can successfully hide behind the Monoliths for a long time and still be effective when needed. The Destroyers need to be shooting immediately, and if they can see you, you can usually see them.

Wraiths are good CC units. Their crippling point is the unit size.

As for the rule in the original codex, if he follows that he cannot bring reserves Warriors through the portal. Has to be units past the minimum required. Also remember that he can choose to have them walk on from the board edge and immediately teleport them through a portal. They can't move afterwards (I think? The very first Necron FAQ shut this down, but now I'm not sure it is still in there and the actual rule says 'as if disembarking from a stationary vehicle') but they can get out 2".