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Dashofpepper's first Necron Battle Report is up at:

http://hulksmash-homeplace.blogspot.com/2011/05/dashofpeppers-necrons-at-little-wars.html

Have a read and comment there if you please. Or you can comment here to if you like.

Enjoy!

Nice battle report! Also I believe the necron warriors have to come in from reserve via a monolith portal.

Huckleberry, Dash doesn't have posting privileges on Dakka, so you might want to drop a comment on his battle report.

Ahh ok I'll post it on the blog. What happened with Dash and his posting privileges.

Only the warrior units taken in excess of the minimum.

He can hold two warrior units in reserve without lithing them.

Hückleberry wrote:Ahh ok I'll post it on the blog. What happened with Dash and his posting privileges.

He's apparently temporarily suspended but decided to turn it into permanent by voluntarily exiling himself to Hulk's blog. Just follow the link in the OP's sig and you can get your dash fix.

warboss wrote:

Hückleberry wrote:Ahh ok I'll post it on the blog. What happened with Dash and his posting privileges.

He's apparently temporarily suspended but decided to turn it into permanent by voluntarily exiling himself to Hulk's blog. Just follow the link in the OP's sig and you can get your dash fix.

Nah I'm good On to the next battle report!

Hückleberry wrote:Ahh ok I'll post it on the blog. What happened with Dash and his posting privileges.

There's more details here: http://hulksmash-homeplace.blogspot.com/2011/05/dashofpepper-and-hulksmash-join-forces.html

Hey guys,

How do you post comments on the blogspot?
I would like to say something, but when I click 'Post Commend', I need to log in with my gmail account. Then I need to type in the verification'word'. But when I do I go back to the log in site and that cyclus continues.
I'm new on blogs and stuff. I made an account on my own and am a follower too.
can someone help me?
Thanx in advance.

Hückleberry wrote:Nice battle report! Also I believe the necron warriors have to come in from reserve via a monolith portal.

Quick clarificaton: When you put warriors in reserve you declare if they will enter play via a portal or via walkon, and that cannot change once the game starts.

There's more details here: http://hulksmash-homeplace.blogspot.com/2011/05/dashofpepper-and-hulksmash-join-forces.html

To bad anything posted that goes against the grain over there is immediately removed and no, I´m not talking about "mere" trolling.
Needless to say dakka ought to be the board to post about the batreps, at least here posts that arent in line with the batrep creators opinions dont get deleted.


About necron batreps, I thought the whole idea was to showcase one of the weakest codexes in 40k at the moment. The list used is nothing even resembling weak, its one of the most powerful 40k builds in the entire game.
Not saying there is anything wrong with that, just a strange way to say wanting to show how the weakest codex of them all is doing on the tabletop by taking the pure powerhouse units/combos from said codex and only running with those.

He said weak Codex, not weak units. If he were using weak units, he'd be playing Tau Etherials, Tyranid Pyrovores, and have a lot more Flash Gitz in his Ork list.

He said weak Codex, not weak units.

Ah, thanks, I stand corrected then.

It sounded to me as wanting a challenge facing armies with a weak codex, thus a weak army = great challenge.
Not to obliterate all opposition by using the cheesiest powerhouse list on earth (= no challenge) but I can be wrong here.

What would be really interesting is if a quality player like Dash actually used underdog lists, no matter army, to truly give himself a challenge.
I suspect a lot of people would be very thrilled about how he plays (and hopefully wins) using "normal" or weak lists, even against power builds (plus he would get a helluva challenge in the process).

That is if we are now talking about a challenge on the tabletop, you know, what he once said he wanted...and not having the challenge consisting of constructing the dedliest powerhouse list humanly possible and then proceed to steamroll all opposition with it.

Pyriel- wrote:

There's more details here: http://hulksmash-homeplace.blogspot.com/2011/05/dashofpepper-and-hulksmash-join-forces.html

To bad anything posted that goes against the grain over there is immediately removed and no, I´m not talking about "mere" trolling.
Needless to say dakka ought to be the board to post about the batreps, at least here posts that arent in line with the batrep creators opinions dont get deleted.

Actually he's only deleted two posts. One was about how Dakka was better off without him. The other was cussing him out for deleting the first post. Why don't you try posting something against the grain that doesn't involve calling him names or insulting him and see if it gets deleted?

Pyriel- wrote:It sounded to me as wanting a challenge facing armies with a weak codex, thus a weak army = great challenge.
Not to obliterate all opposition by using the cheesiest powerhouse list on earth (= no challenge) but I can be wrong here.

How can a guy's tournament list be called cheese? You're supposed to bring your best list and best game to a tournament. There is no such thing as cheese in a tournament setting.

What would be really interesting is if a quality player like Dash actually used underdog lists, no matter army, to truly give himself a challenge.
I suspect a lot of people would be very thrilled about how he plays (and hopefully wins) using "normal" or weak lists, even against power builds (plus he would get a helluva challenge in the process).

Since when are normal lists weak lists? Where I play, normal lists are still pretty competitive. They may not be completely min/maxed and may include a unit that wouldn't make the cut in a tourney, but they are still competitive lists. Maybe if your meta is pretty weak Pyriel, you could start bringing better lists and encourage the other players to do likewise.

That is if we are now talking about a challenge on the tabletop, you know, what he once said he wanted...and not having the challenge consisting of constructing the dedliest powerhouse list humanly possible and then proceed to steamroll all opposition with it.

Dash has written many bat reps. If you took the time to read them you'd notice that they are not all a series of steamrolls. That's because he plays a lot of people who also bring competitive lists and good tactics. He comes prepared with a strong list to meet other players who bring strong lists.

And for all the crying and whining going on about how it's not fun to play against a competitive list, (at a tournament no less!) nobody has stopped to think that many tournament players go to tournaments to test their mettle against other competitive lists and generals. Maybe the players like Dash, who go to test themselves against the best, don't enjoy being matched up against somebody who shows up to a big event with a non-competitive list. I don't know about you but I don't enjoy wiping somebody off of the board. It's not nearly as much fun as being challenged by another great general with a good list.

As for complaining about Hulk's Blog: You went there for the sole purpose of trolling Dash's thread and that's why your post got deleted. Maybe if some of the trolls who had trolled Dash here had been stopped at some point by the mods then Dash would still be posting here. Enjoy continuing to troll him here where he can't post in his defense Pyriel.

lol you think 3 Mono-Wraithwing is a powerbuild? Its not anything new, many used similar in the past and many failed horribly in competitive play. It is a difficult list to play(due to low model count and faster phaseout) and the codex itself is very weak. People struggle against it because they dont expect facing Necrons and dont bother bringing S10 thinking meltas are enough against AV14. Dash is pretty much trying to make people feel stubid for not being prepare to deal with everything and to think that necrons are dead in the tournament scenes.

PxDnNinja wrote:

Hückleberry wrote:Nice battle report! Also I believe the necron warriors have to come in from reserve via a monolith portal.

Quick clarificaton: When you put warriors in reserve you declare if they will enter play via a portal or via walkon, and that cannot change once the game starts.

Is it in the FAQ? I ask because in the codex it says warriors in reserve must enter via a Monolith if one is available.

augustus5 wrote:I don't know about you but I don't enjoy wiping somebody off of the board. It's not nearly as much fun as being challenged by another great general with a good list.

Dash has also gone out of his way to utilize inferior codices to make his armies. He is challenging himself to do better with a handicap for the times when he doesn't need to bring his bestest best army.

wraithwing power builds... i like the sound. It is a list that can do well, but only if you are a really good player. One small mistake can see your wraiths up in smoke and then your pretty much done for.

Also works well in the current meta because everyone just wants melta guns, missile launchers and autocannons so they are unable to kill the monoliths, if everyone was bringing broadsides then monoliths would be a non-issue (also broadsides might not be the best example, but its the quickest decent s10 gun I could think of)


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Hückleberry wrote:

PxDnNinja wrote:

Hückleberry wrote:Nice battle report! Also I believe the necron warriors have to come in from reserve via a monolith portal.

Quick clarificaton: When you put warriors in reserve you declare if they will enter play via a portal or via walkon, and that cannot change once the game starts.

Is it in the FAQ? I ask because in the codex it says warriors in reserve must enter via a Monolith if one is available.

Pretty sure that is wrong. It says " Any warrior units in excess of hte minimum required by the force organisation chart for the mission being played may begin the game in reserve whether the Reserves special rule is in use or not. When they arrive they must emerge from a monolith portal...."

Pyriel- wrote:

There's more details here: http://hulksmash-homeplace.blogspot.com/2011/05/dashofpepper-and-hulksmash-join-forces.html

To bad anything posted that goes against the grain over there is immediately removed and no, I´m not talking about "mere" trolling.
Needless to say dakka ought to be the board to post about the batreps, at least here posts that arent in line with the batrep creators opinions dont get deleted.

Feel free to comment on the battle report/s here, since they were cross-posted here. However posts being hostile or rude to a former or currently-suspended Dakka member are not permitted. He's not able to defend himself here, and posting by proxy using his wife's or someone else's account is a violation of the rules. If you want to make a civil comment on the blog, I expect that should work fine. Maybe try emailing it to Hulksmash if a post you think was polite gets deleted.

Pyriel- wrote: About necron batreps, I thought the whole idea was to showcase one of the weakest codexes in 40k at the moment.

Sure. And I think he's doing that.

Pyriel- wrote: The list used is nothing even resembling weak, its one of the most powerful 40k builds in the entire game.

Ah, no. Three Monoliths + the Deceiver is a pretty strong core to an army which is otherwise not all that great. Wraiths in particular are a very unusual and vulnerable (despite having a 3+ invul, they're stll 1W T4 models, lacking the 2+ armor saves of a terminator) focus for a list. The competitive Necron armies I've seen do pretty well are usually shooty; focusing on Destroyers and/or Immortals for mobile ranged firepower, not assaulty. This is (IME anyway) a genuinely unusual build.

Three Monoliths + Deciever is a force just asking to phase out. It's convenient that people forget about !@#$ phase out when they aregue Necron builds as powerful

You can make it work. Dash does.

That said if someone hits your magic number of Necrons killed you lose. It's not that hard for a competent player to wipe Necrons. I play them, and against them too. If my opponent took 3 Liths and the Deciever in a 2000 pt or lower game i'd consider it an easy win for my Dark Eldar, a moderately hard fight for my orks and an even fight for my Necrons.

WarOne wrote:

augustus5 wrote:I don't know about you but I don't enjoy wiping somebody off of the board. It's not nearly as much fun as being challenged by another great general with a good list.

Dash has also gone out of his way to utilize inferior codices to make his armies. He is challenging himself to do better with a handicap for the times when he doesn't need to bring his bestest best army.

I agree WarOne. I was referring to the crowd that keeps QQing about it not being fun to play against a min/maxed list in a tournament. I say that a tourney player might not enjoy facing a non-competitive army and not feeling challenged in the game. I, for one, enjoy the thrill of playing a closely contested game. If I wipe my opponent in a couple of turns it just isn't as satisfying. Would I give my opponent a bad sportsmanship score because I didn't enjoy playing their poorly constructed list? No. But many people have defended the notion that Dash deserved a bad sportsman score for bringing a competitive min/max list.

I would contest the "many". Maybe one or two. The folks who decry min-maxed lists and the people who decry those people for doing so are climbing onto rather tired hobby horses IMHO.

tiekwando wrote:wraithwing power builds... i like the sound. It is a list that can do well, but only if you are a really good player. One small mistake can see your wraiths up in smoke and then your pretty much done for.

Also works well in the current meta because everyone just wants melta guns, missile launchers and autocannons so they are unable to kill the monoliths, if everyone was bringing broadsides then monoliths would be a non-issue (also broadsides might not be the best example, but its the quickest decent s10 gun I could think of)


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Hückleberry wrote:

PxDnNinja wrote:

Hückleberry wrote:Nice battle report! Also I believe the necron warriors have to come in from reserve via a monolith portal.

Quick clarificaton: When you put warriors in reserve you declare if they will enter play via a portal or via walkon, and that cannot change once the game starts.

Is it in the FAQ? I ask because in the codex it says warriors in reserve must enter via a Monolith if one is available.

Pretty sure that is wrong. It says " Any warrior units in excess of hte minimum required by the force organisation chart for the mission being played may begin the game in reserve whether the Reserves special rule is in use or not. When they arrive they must emerge from a monolith portal...."

From Necron FAQ on GW Website:

Q. Can units of Necron Warriors enter from
reserve as normal or must they enter via a
Monolith?
A. If the players hold any units of Necron
Warriors in reserve, he must specify if they are
going to enter the game through the Monolith or
simply walk in from their own table edge, as
normal. If units of Warriors are using this rule
and all available Monoliths are destroyed, the
Warriors count as destroyed and may therefore
trigger the Phase Out of the on-table portion of
the army.

The rule in the codex is worded the way it is due to how units were done in 3rd edition. The way it plays now is any unit of warriors you hold in reserve must be declared as walking on or coming via a portal.

^^^^ that was my original post, but then I checked my dex and it had the wording i posted so i edited it. I thought it could be played that way lol.

Mannahnin wrote:I would contest the "many". Maybe one or two. The folks who decry min-maxed lists and the people who decry those people for doing so are climbing onto rather tired hobby horses IMHO.

Maybe one or two in this thread, but there are five Alamo threads as well as this necron thread, and a YDMC thread relating to the Alamo. Then there are threads about the Alamo situation on other sites as well. Put together there are more than one or two that whine about seeing a min/max list in a tourney.

Save it for game night at the FLGS. At a tourney be prepared to see these lists. If that's not your cup of tea you're probably not going to ever enjoy the tournament scene.

Dodiez wrote:



Actually he's only deleted six posts.

Fixed that for ya.

And before you say it, only three of them were from me.

Followed by him calling me a piece of gak.

Classiness abounds.

Actually he's only deleted two posts. One was about how Dakka was better off without him. The other was cussing him out for deleting the first post. Why don't you try posting something against the grain that doesn't involve calling him names or insulting him and see if it gets deleted?

Granted, in the particular batrep thread yes.
In other threads no.
I cant find my post in here:
http://hulksmash-homeplace.blogspot.com/2011/05/dashofpepper-and-hulksmash-join-forces.html#comments
And no, I wasnt insulting or trolling or abusive.



I´ll tell you what I would really want to see and that is 100% in line with what dash is actually doing.
I would like to see him taking various codexes and inventing "unbeatable" lists with it. That would be fun to see and that is actually what is being done with the whole necron batrep thing.
I´m sure tau players would love to see how their "weak" codex can totally own as well as GK players would like to find out how on earth a 100% terminator build can be made that steamrolls most opponents or all those complaining nid players would love to see a working against-all list too.

Since when are normal lists weak lists? Where I play, normal lists are still pretty competitive. They may not be completely min/maxed and may include a unit that wouldn't make the cut in a tourney, but they are still competitive lists. Maybe if your meta is pretty weak Pyriel, you could start bringing better lists and encourage the other players to do likewise.

This is not about my meta being bad, I have no problems nor issues with my 40k games, I think my win ratio is pretty good actually. The occasions where I need help I ask people that are better then me for it.
People usually place lists in three categories:
-Competitive, anything goes, winning is the sole purpose.
-Normal, still competitive but with a strong emphasis on "fairness" and "fun" meaning they are made to still allow for balanced play against other lists using most unit choices, not only the very best the codex has to offer.
-Fluffy, fun, background comes way before efficiency.

Many (not all) tournaments are competitive but a great deal are also "normal". Imo normal builds are what allow for the most fun on the tabletop since those arent as repetitive and allow for balanced games where people are seldom tabled on turn 3.

Fluffy are fun too but not as balanced/fair as normal.

Thus my point is, why not show of some normal batreps where most people on earth actually do play these lists, you dont normally grab your friends and head of to you 40k garage just to steamroll them by turn 3 with your super optimized double lash + 9 oblits repetitive boring cheese of doom list are you now.
No you take a normal, effective but still fun and varied list and face your friends dito, nobody gets hurt, tabled early on with zero chance at winning but you still retain a feeling of competitive play.

I dont say anything is wrong by showing how to omgwftrpe every opponent to the grave using the absolute powerhouse build imaginable in order to win every tournament on earth, bring it, but please also call it for what it truly is.

Dash has written many bat reps. If you took the time to read them you'd notice that they are not all a series of steamrolls. That's because he plays a lot of people who also bring competitive lists and good tactics. He comes prepared with a strong list to meet other players who bring strong lists.

Why are you assuming I havent taken time to read those?
I agree, for those who are strong fans of cut throat tournaments his batreps are a nice insight to what possibilities there are or rather to how you can build the strongest lists, actually playing them is another matter since no two persons will ever play the same even if they are using the same list.
Thus either create and call it a how-to-build-the-best-list-using-Xcodex or try to use "normal" lists as well. I would be dashes number 1 fan if I could also see some how-to directed at regular gameplay, how to get success using legion of the damned, how to manage to win using overpriced vanguard squads, how to kick behind with meganob builds etc etc, you know, how to win using those units nobody takes! Not only how to cut throats on merciless tournaments.
The guy would tripple his fanbase if he branched out to these things as well.

And for all the crying and whining going on about how it's not fun to play against a competitive list, (at a tournament no less!) nobody has stopped to think that many tournament players go to tournaments to test their mettle against other competitive lists and generals. Maybe the players like Dash, who go to test themselves against the best, don't enjoy being matched up against somebody who shows up to a big event with a non-competitive list. I don't know about you but I don't enjoy wiping somebody off of the board. It's not nearly as much fun as being challenged by another great general with a good list.

I agree with you to 100% here.
But think about these things:
1: If you really want to challenge yourself then play against an equally cutthroat list, not against one that will steamroll you 99 times out of 100 despite you also using a cutthroat list.
I dont know abut you but personally I dont get kicks from stealing candy from little kids excusing it with that they too were prepared and equipped to steal candy from other kids...I just happened to be a very stronger adult, not my fault. (nor will I lower myself by calling it a challenge)

2: I hate wiping people of the board as much as I hate being wiped of the board myself, neither is fun for neither player. Again, where is the challenge and testing of skills if my cutthroat list is so good that it steamrolls most other cutthroat lists if I as well as my opponents both are competent.

As for complaining about Hulk's Blog: You went there for the sole purpose of trolling Dash's thread and that's why your post got deleted

Wow, you "know" what I posted? Really? Tell you what, it wasnt trolling nor insulting nor abusive but it didnt agree with his view.
Care to stand up to your lying BS and tell me what I posted?

lol you think 3 Mono-Wraithwing is a powerbuild? Its not anything new, many used similar in the past and many failed horribly in competitive play. It is a difficult list to play(due to low model count and faster phaseout) and the codex itself is very weak. People struggle against it because they dont expect facing Necrons and dont bother bringing S10 thinking meltas are enough against AV14. Dash is pretty much trying to make people feel stubid for not being prepare to deal with everything and to think that necrons are dead in the tournament scenes.

And he managed that perfectly and that´s why and where I think he is awesome.
But hey, I dont think playing such list is particularly challenging plus much more can be done if focus is shifted to also cover non cutthroat play but then that means I´m trolling right?

Also what is and what is not a powerbuild entirely depends on the tournament meta.
Hell, you could even make a 180 grot build a powerhouse with the right meta to face of with.

Dash has also gone out of his way to utilize inferior codices to make his armies. He is challenging himself to do better with a handicap for the times when he doesn't need to bring his bestest best army.

Agree. To find the powerbuilds inside those inferior codexes is a challenge in itself and fun to see too. Two of my friends who already gave up their hopes over orks and necrons are back in the game simply because I told them about dash and shown them his threads. Damn, I must be the most incompetent dash hater and troll ever.




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Fixed that for ya.

And before you say it, only three of them were from me.

Followed by him calling me a piece of gak.

Classiness abounds.

Why am I not surprised.

Dont know if you trolled there for real or not, only know that I did not. No point posting in there, if you want respect then you also need to allow other ideas to be shown but that´s just me.

Hulksmash and Dashofpepper can both validate that Dash has only deleted two posts. Both by Bunker. Please remember that attacking a forum member who is banned is against the rules. Even if they weren't banned.

Many (not all) tournaments are competitive but a great deal are also "normal". IMHO normal builds are what allow for the most fun on the tabletop since those aren't as repetitive and allow for balanced games where people are seldom tabled on turn 3.

What tournaments are these? Are they even close to the scale that dashes batreps are on? I don't think you can compare a tournament at you FLGS and ARDboys. Also your definition of normal is limiting. Some people enjoy getting the absolute most out of any thing they play seeing taking anything else as being simply ineffective and a waste of time and money.

Thus my point is, why not show of some normal batreps where most people on earth actually do play these lists, you don't normally grab your friends and head of to you 40k garage just to steamroll them by turn 3 with your super optimized double lash + 9 oblits repetitive boring cheese of doom list are you now.
No you take a normal, effective but still fun and varied list and face your friends dito, nobody gets hurt, tabled early on with zero chance at winning but you still retain a feeling of competitive play I don't say anything is wrong by showing how to omgwftrpe every opponent to the grave using the absolute powerhouse build imaginable in order to win every tournament on earth, bring it, but please also call it for what it truly is.

I frequently play my games against longfang spam space wolves, battle wagon rush, mech IG etc and we both a have a great time because we are friends participating in a hobby we both enjoy. If someone brings a list that is not "cheesy" ( I personally believe if it is legal go for it.) we will play joke and have a great time as well. If they are tabled by turn 3 almost all of the time they wonder how they can make their list as good or better. We off advice in games to make players better. There are some that decree cheese and etc, we simply do not play them. This is not out of a feeling of superiority we simply do want to hear how we are horrible people for playing a game the way we have fun with it.

Why are you assuming I havent taken time to read those?
I agree, for those who are strong fans of cut throat tournaments his batreps are a nice insight to what possibilities there are or rather to how you can build the strongest lists, actually playing them is another matter since no two persons will ever play the same even if they are using the same list.
Thus either create and call it a how-to-build-the-best-list-using-Xcodex or try to use "normal" lists as well. I would be dashes number 1 fan if I could also see some how-to directed at regular gameplay, how to get success using legion of the damned, how to manage to win using overpriced vanguard squads, how to kick behind with meganob builds etc etc, you know, how to win using those units nobody takes! Not only how to cut throats on merciless tournaments.
The guy would tripple his fanbase if he branched out to these things as well.

So what is regular game play in your eyes? It is different than what I would call regular game play. My point is simply do not take what your point of view of what the hobby should be and condemn people for not following it. He most likely will never have a guide on showing how to use in effective units as the are ineffective... If they can not perform their function then why take them? If you want to go ahead it is your choice but do not be surprised when you loose bringing a knife to a gunfight ( power swords ect excluded ).

I agree with you to 100% here.
But think about these things:
1: If you really want to challenge yourself then play against an equally cutthroat list, not against one that will steamroll you 99 times out of 100 despite you also using a cutthroat list.
I dont know abut you but personally I dont get kicks from stealing candy from little kids excusing it with that they too were prepared and equipped to steal candy from other kids...I just happened to be a very stronger adult, not my fault. (nor will I lower myself by calling it a challenge)

2: I hate wiping people of the board as much as I hate being wiped of the board myself, neither is fun for neither player. Again, where is the challenge and testing of skills if my cutthroat list is so good that it steamrolls most other cutthroat lists if I as well as my opponents both are competent.

Really you are saying bringing a strong list is the same as stealing candy from a baby? You are once again placing your idea of how the hobby should be on someone else. Not every one has your point of view. For you and your group it sounds like it works. That's great, but do not hold your self up on some sort of moral high horse because you play with plastic army men in the correct way. If you hate wiping people off the board then don't. If you know that you can hold back, if that is what is fun for you, personally I would see that as an insult if someone does not give their all, if that was better than my all then I need to improve not that my opponent brought a "cheese" list and that I may disregard loosing because of this.

And he managed that perfectly and that´s why and where I think he is awesome.
But hey, I dont think playing such list is particularly challenging plus much more can be done if focus is shifted to also cover non cutthroat play but then that means I´m trolling right?

So you think he is awesome for accomplishing something you do not think is challenging? Why pray-tell do you think it is awesome? It does not mean you are tolling if you have a different viewpoint. I would postulate that it is trolling if you continually state that you don't like the way dash plays, and you repeat your self over and over again in his threads with out ever contributing other than what amounts to " the way you play is wrong". This is a game there are different ways to play. If you want to have a fun time at your FLGS with your friends and you bring your "fun lists" then do it and have a great time I wish you many happy games. The problem arises when you see another way of gaming and you look down or think less of it than yours. It is different but no less valid.

Also what is and what is not a powerbuild entirely depends on the tournament meta.
Hell, you could even make a 180 grot build a powerhouse with the right meta to face of with.

What meta would that be? What kind of tournament would that be? a GTT a RTT? NOVA open? The meta does not determine what is powerful, there is a scale of power if people bring lists that amount to a 1 on the scale and you bring a 3 your build while more powerful than there's it is not powerful in the grand scheme of things ( assume a 10 point scale.) TO put it another way just because everyone brings a horrid ineffective list and you bring a slightly less horrid does not mean you list was powerful, it just happened to be slightly less bad.

Agree. To find the powerbuilds inside those inferior codexes is a challenge in itself and fun to see too. Two of my friends who already gave up their hopes over orks and necrons are back in the game simply because I told them about dash and shown them his threads. Damn, I must be the most incompetent dash hater and troll ever.

But yet you condemn him for bringing powerful lists? Do you friends now bring those same lists or similar? Do you win regularly against them? I ask this because earlier you stated your win record was pretty good ( kudos btw). If you do win against them regularly were the games still fun if they brought the power lists?

Why am I not surprised.

Dont know if you trolled there for real or not, only know that I did not. No point posting in there, if you want respect then you also need to allow other ideas to be shown but that´s just me.

Because it is their blog and they have sole discretion over what is posted? If you do not believe their is a point in posting there don't its really quite simple.


People will have a different out look on how to play the game, Dashes style of play lends to the very competitive squeezing every possible advantage out of his list to make it a finely tuned killing machine. This is how he chooses to play the game. He enters competitive tournaments with a great deal of prize support on the line. It is expected that others are their with the intention to win ( why else would they be at a tournament?)

Your style of play is different than dashes, ( as is mine albeit to a lesser extent it appears) and that is fine its great, it shows that the hobby can lend itself to many different types of play which is fantastic. Please don't look down on another way of playing the hobby simply because you don't agree. If you don't agree with it voice your concern in a respectful way.


-JaceTMS87