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So where's your source for these amazingly powerful Eldar Psykers?

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Yeah, the Emperor is the most powerful psychic force to ever exist. I don't think any Eldar, pre-fall or after could stand up to him mano-a-fairy.

yeah, while Human psykers can't match Eldar psykers, the Emperor is an amagamation of several million Human Psykers in one concious being.



Even the Chaos Gods fear his power. it was the primary reason they attacked the fledgling Imperium.

No, it's not speculation. It's actually from Codex Eldar 4th edition (the most current Eldar codex).

" Craftworld Ulthwe is home to the most powerful psykers in the galaxy." Codex Eldar page 18

Would you agree that the emperor is in the galaxy?

Now, can you provide proof that the Emperor is the most powerful Psyker in the galaxy and not just the most powerful HUMAN psyker in the galaxy?

Because he is not really human. He is a composite being with powers far beyond the label of mere psyker. He is stronger than any Eldar, trying to argue otherwise is just fanboyism.

Codex Ultramarines Space Marines states Tigurius is the most powerful psyker in the Imperium. Does that mean he's more powerful than the Emperor? No.

Quote word for word please. And like I said before, everything I've read about him states he is only the most powerful human psyker. All I'm asking is for the exact reference that says otherwise.

ok, 5th ed rule book

"His will is omnipotent, extending across the million worlds that comprise his Imperium. For ten thousand years the Master of Mankind has served mankind, simultaneously carrying out a multitude of tasks vital to its survival and to the survival of the Imperium. All at once he guides his race through the Emperor's Tarot, soul-binds psykers, holds audiences with his most important servants and beams the Astronomican beacon. His immense psychic powers constantly keep the Chaotic powers of the Warp at bay, preventing their intrusion into the material universe and protecting his people throughout the galaxy"



the Emperor does all of these things at the same time.

No Eldar could, or ever did, do that.


the Emperor keeps the bulk of Chaos at bay by himself. those that slip through are mearly minor leaks.



tell me that isn't the ultimate display of power. the Eldar struggle to fend off Slannesh, the Emperor fends off all 4 chaos powers.

They didn't do it because they didn't and don't need to, not because they couldn't.

So what you're telling me is that your speculating. In all of the fluff it says he's the most powerful human psyker. Not that he's the most powerful psyker.

Thats why I'm saying provide the proof. I did already. Now it's your turn.

You haven't provided anything. A throw-away line in the Eldar codex is meaningless. We've already shown you how such lines are found in every book.

Trying to argue that a single psyker could be more powerful than millions of psykers combined is ludicrous. No Eldar psyker has been referred to by the Ruinous Powers as "the Anathema". They haven't hatched any convoluted plans to bring a single Eldar psyker low. In fact, it seems that except for Slaanesh, they don't even give a crap about the Eldar. He can stand up to the Chaos Gods, Eldar become snacks. There is a story in the Daemon codex where a single Greater Daemon was able to infiltrate the soul matrix of a Craftworld and bring the whole thing tumbling down. Their best attempt at staving off Chaos is to wear spirit stones and living ascetic lives where they deny their impulses and emotions. That, or hide in the Webway and suck souls to sustain themselves.


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Roadkill Zombie wrote:They didn't do it because they didn't and don't need to, not because they couldn't.

Okay, that's not true. If they could hold back the Chaos Gods with their psychic might, how does any Craftworld fall to Daemons? How are Daemons any threat to them? Why is it that the Emperor, one Human, managed to forge a mighty empire that stretches across most of the galaxy but the Eldar, with a species full of such powerful individuals, is fading away? Why do the Eldar get consumed upon death by Slaanesh if they don't have a Soulstone if they're capable of resisting it? Why was Khaine capable of killing their greatest heroes and yet Slaanesh was too great for him to combat?

As for the background,

Omegus wrote:You haven't provided anything. A throw-away line in the Eldar codex is meaningless. We've already shown you how such lines are found in every book.

Trying to argue that a single psyker could be more powerful than millions of psykers combined is ludicrous. No Eldar psyker has been referred to by the Ruinous Powers as "the Anathema". They haven't hatched any convoluted plans to bring a single Eldar psyker low. In fact, it seems that except for Slaanesh, they don't even give a crap about the Eldar. He can stand up to the Chaos Gods, Eldar become snacks. There is a story in the Daemon codex where a single Greater Daemon was able to infiltrate the soul matrix of a Craftworld and bring the whole thing tumbling down. Their best attempt at staving off Chaos is to wear spirit stones and living ascetic lives where they deny their impulses and emotions. That, or hide in the Webway and suck souls to sustain themselves.

As iproxtaco suggested, you better stop before you start to chafe.

Yes I did provide something. Your the ones who didn't. I told you a page number and told you where to find it. No one else here has done that. Show me the page in a canon book where it says the Emperor is the most powerful psyker in the galaxy. List the page number it is on and that will be proof. So far no one has been able to. Yet I have been able to provide the evidence in a canon codex that the Eldar are the most powerful psykers in the galaxy. It isn't written from the Eldar perspective like a lot of things are. Not in the arrogant tone of the race either but rather just matter of factly from an unseen narrator.

And since nothing yet has been written about the pre fall Eldar other than a few snippets (which highly suggest they were more powerful than the Emperor at that time), which are rare, then we don't really know if there actually were any or not. What we do know is that since the fall it has become much easier for Chaos to mess with the Eldar. We do know that pre fall, the Eldar were not worried by ANY chaos power and none of the ones existing at the time could do anything to them. There are no stories of Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch messing with the pre fall Eldar at all, in any way. And in every story I've seen the only Chaos power that worries them is Slaanesh. And that's because Slaanesh is made of Eldar, by the Eldar.

I gave physical evidence from the main rule book, you just gave an assertive statement the Eldar Codex gave.



I am not relying on assertions my codex gave, but rather a blow by blow description of what the Emperor does every freakin second. No eldar can match that.

Grey Templar wrote:ok, 5th ed rule book

"His will is omnipotent, extending across the million worlds that comprise his Imperium. For ten thousand years the Master of Mankind has served mankind, simultaneously carrying out a multitude of tasks vital to its survival and to the survival of the Imperium. All at once he guides his race through the Emperor's Tarot, soul-binds psykers, holds audiences with his most important servants and beams the Astronomican beacon. His immense psychic powers constantly keep the Chaotic powers of the Warp at bay, preventing their intrusion into the material universe and protecting his people throughout the galaxy"

This refers to the Emperor now, which is unarguably the most powerful being in the galaxy thanks to his quadrillions strong group of worshipers (prayers do make gods powerful in the 40k universe).

It's not applicable when referring to the Emperor when he was up and walking. That guy was a psychic gnat compared to what he is now.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:

Omegus wrote:You haven't provided anything. A throw-away line in the Eldar codex is meaningless. We've already shown you how such lines are found in every book.

Trying to argue that a single psyker could be more powerful than millions of psykers combined is ludicrous. No Eldar psyker has been referred to by the Ruinous Powers as "the Anathema". They haven't hatched any convoluted plans to bring a single Eldar psyker low. In fact, it seems that except for Slaanesh, they don't even give a crap about the Eldar. He can stand up to the Chaos Gods, Eldar become snacks. There is a story in the Daemon codex where a single Greater Daemon was able to infiltrate the soul matrix of a Craftworld and bring the whole thing tumbling down. Their best attempt at staving off Chaos is to wear spirit stones and living ascetic lives where they deny their impulses and emotions. That, or hide in the Webway and suck souls to sustain themselves.

As iproxtaco suggested, you better stop before you start to chafe.

Yes I did provide something. Your the ones who didn't. I told you a page number and told you where to find it. No one else here has done that. Show me the page in a canon book where it says the Emperor is the most powerful psyker in the galaxy. List the page number it is on and that will be proof. So far no one has been able to. Yet I have been able to provide the evidence in a canon codex that the Eldar are the most powerful psykers in the galaxy. It isn't written from the Eldar perspective like a lot of things are. Not in the arrogant tone of the race either but rather just matter of factly from an unseen narrator.

Well, it's common knowledge it seems in everyone but you. The acts of The Emperor are clearly detailed in near every book about the Imperium, they put even Eldrad to shame. A throw-away line in the Eldar Codex does not refute the fact that The Emperor IS the most powerful Psyker in the galaxy.

And since nothing yet has been written about the pre fall Eldar other than a few snippets (which highly suggest they were more powerful than the Emperor at that time), which are rare, then we don't really know if there actually were any or not. What we do know is that since the fall it has become much easier for Chaos to mess with the Eldar. We do know that pre fall, the Eldar were not worried by ANY chaos power and none of the ones existing at the time could do anything to them. There are no stories of Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch messing with the pre fall Eldar at all, in any way. And in every story I've seen the only Chaos power that worries them is Slaanesh. And that's because Slaanesh is made of Eldar, by the Eldar.

I highlighted the glaring hole in your reasoning. We don't know how powerful the pre-fall Eldar were. They were greater than the current ones, but most of the evidence we have for these amazing feats is due to advanced technology, not raw Psyker power. So no, it does not, in any way, hint that they were more powerful than The Emperor, unless you're reading a different Codex than me.
The Eldar fear Chaos as a whole, all the Gods. The Black Library exists for a reason, and there's a point to Uthwe guarding The Eye of Terror. They fear Slannesh for what will happen to them in death, they fear the pantheon as a whole.
The fanwankery continues, that's been more than a day, jeez give it a break.

I'm not the one running around being a Emperor/Imperium fanboi,Iproxtaco, you are. And telling people to quit spanking it to Eldar when you are clearly doing the same with the Emperor is being a hypocrit. Enough with trying to make veiled insults by telling me to quit spanking it.

You guys running around saying the Emperor is the most powerful psyker in the galaxy are wrong. You have no proof. You can't come up with even one single line in any codex or book anywhere that says he is. But there are plenty that say he is the most powerful HUMAN psyker.

Listing a bunch of stuff he does every day by siphoning off other people's psychic energy with his golden toilet does not make him the most powerful psyker. He's stealing other people's psychic energy to keep his own strong. That doesn't make him powerful, that makes him a vampire. If you want to go that route then how about the Tyranid Hive Mind. That particular psyker can even block out the Astronomicon and send an entire race through untold galaxies with it's mind and have it's race devour them one by one, all the while evolving and changing the race to meet the requirements of destroying the enemy on the battlefield. The emperor doesn't even come close to that level of power. And that particular psyker is not even IN the milky way galaxy at the moment. That kind of psychic power far outstrips the Emperor.

You don't actually know what the Hive Mind is.
It's not psychic in any normal way anyway.
Is it a single entity driving forth the tyranids?
Is is the collective consciousness of all the tryanids?
We don't really know.

The Emporer may well be the most powerful psychic being in the galaxy because no other source says otherwise.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
Listing a bunch of stuff he does every day by siphoning off other people's psychic energy with his golden toilet does not make him the most powerful psyker.

I suppose this is technically true. The Emperor now isn't really bound to the term "psyker". He's a chaos god. You wouldn't really think of Khorne as a psyker, would you?

Off the top of my head there is a reference to the Emperor being the most powerful psychic being in the galaxy in The First Heretic, when Ingethel takes the Word Bearers to the Gene Labs and advises them not to do anything stupid.

The reference in the Eldar codex can be backed up too in a way as in Legion when discussing with the Cabal Slau Dha says that the Emperor was the only Monkeigh that they might have considered to join as a member. They possibly wouldn't want someone stronger than themselves?

I dunno - The Emperor is certainly the most powerful human psyker, but the the thousands of psykers that are sacrificed to him each day aren't making him stronger, they are keeping him alive. Without the psykers he would burn out what's left of him.

iproxtaco wrote:WE have proof in the acts of The Emperor, acts The Eldar would have no hope of achieving.

This line of logic goes both ways. Eldar psykers do things the Emperor never achieved also. You can't really compare them except where they tried to do the same things.

Except the things The Emperor does are far more impressive. Sure, The Eldar are the greatest Seers, they have an uncanny ability to steer their race from danger, which is a tool that's equal in usefulness as raw power, but there's no way The Eldar could do anything that The Emperor does, whereas it's limited the other way.

You do realize that the Emperor's greatest work was to gain access to the Webway, right? It was his magnum opus just to gain access to the thing the Eldar had been using for billions of years.

Technology they had been given by The Old Ones. I'd say that uniting nearly the entire human race is his greatest achievement, as is pretty much holding the fabric of reality together to stop the majority of Chaos from seeping through. That would be denying the fact that he did gain access to it, and protected it using the power of his mind, something which killed Malcador, a being of such power that he is second only to The Emperor.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
Listing a bunch of stuff he does every day by siphoning off other people's psychic energy with his golden toilet does not make him the most powerful psyker.

I suppose this is technically true. The Emperor now isn't really bound to the term "psyker". He's a chaos god. You wouldn't really think of Khorne as a psyker, would you?

Exactly. I would not consider any god a psyker.They are beyond such things as their power transcends Psychic ability. It is interesting to note that if the Emperor IS a god then I am correct in saying that the Eldar ARE the most powerful psykers in the galaxy and what Omegus read in the Ultramarines/regular Marine codex about Tigurius being the most powerful psyker in the Imperium is also correct as the Emperor would now be out of the running as he is a god.

DarknessEternal wrote:You do realize that the Emperor's greatest work was to gain access to the Webway, right? It was his magnum opus just to gain access to the thing the Eldar had been using for billions of years.

thats more of a Technological feat.



the hardest part about entering the Webway is finding a door, which then has to be opened psychicly.


the Emperor was able to scratch build a Webway door on Terra. he also built some pieces of Webway himself. then Magnus busted it up and it opened a Warp Portal.



The Webway wasn't invented by the Eldar, but was an Old One invention that was given to the Eldar.

the Eldar probably don't know how the Webway actually works, maybe they once did. they certaintly can't build new portions(why would you need too?)

Roadkill Zombie wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
Listing a bunch of stuff he does every day by siphoning off other people's psychic energy with his golden toilet does not make him the most powerful psyker.

I suppose this is technically true. The Emperor now isn't really bound to the term "psyker". He's a chaos god. You wouldn't really think of Khorne as a psyker, would you?

Exactly. I would not consider any god a psyker.They are beyond such things as their power transcends Psychic ability. It is interesting to note that if the Emperor IS a god then I am correct in saying that the Eldar ARE the most powerful psykers in the galaxy and what Omegus read in the Ultramarines/regular Marine codex about Tigurius being the most powerful psyker in the Imperium is also correct as the Emperor would now be out of the running as he is a god.

That's not what you've been saying at all in this thread.

So now we've reached pedantic/semantic arguments based on interpretation of "psyker". Whatever label you use, the Emperor smokes any and all Eldar psykers by comparison. That's what is being discussed.

And the psykers sacrificed to the throne are there to keep the throne functioning, they aren't actually feeding the Emperor.

Omegus wrote:So now we've reached pedantic/semantic arguments based on interpretation of "psyker". Whatever label you use, the Emperor smokes any and all Eldar psykers by comparison. That's what is being discussed.

The Emperor now or the Emperor of 30k? And under what definition of "psychic power"?

Either one. If there was to be a contest of wills between any Eldar psyker and the Emperor, the Emperor would win. Period.

Read more background then, for 30k Emperor, that simply isn't true across all measures of "psychic power".

Wait so, possibly, 11,000 years ago, The Eldar were more powerful than The Emperor? I think the key point here is that, that isn't true, and also if it were, then The Eldar were more powerful than him 11,000 years ago.