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Is this really a discussion?
No eldar is the psychic match for the Emperor
They'd be a match for Magnus or Malcador certainly of that I'd have no doubt and thats a mark of respect beause those two were very, very powerful in terms of psychic ability

But the Emperor? The fricking Chaos gods called him the anathema, he stops chaos from plundering the universe as bad as they could essentially, works the astronomican by himself and hes essentially dead

The only reason why he is the way he is now is because he held back and when he didn't, well he completely crushed one of the greatest champions Chaos has ever had with one attack

The eldar are good psykers no doubt, but none of them match the Emperor both as he is now and when he was alive in terms of psychic ability

But that doesn't matter because they also had the advantage of technology, creating something even the Emperor couldn't understand

Hell even Horus commented that he thought that one of the downfalls of humanity would be the Eldar

What is this "something"? The Webway? They didn't invent it, and don't understand it anymore.

iproxtaco wrote:What is this "something"? The Webway? They didn't invent it, and don't understand it anymore.

Pre heresy for when they did
My mistake as well, I meant they were able to use and understand technology the Emperor couldn't
I'm not entirely up to scratch on my Eldar lore but didn't they create the webway gates?

Asuron wrote: The fricking Chaos gods called him the anathema, he stops chaos from plundering the chaos as bad as they could essentially,

Because he would become a god, not because of any psychic parlor tricks.

And you're still not recognizing that there isn't just one scale that all psychic power can be measured on. Sure, Magnus can injure a titan with psychic powers, but he can't see into the future to save his life (literally).

Asuron wrote:Is this really a discussion?

It's not a discussion, DarknessEternal is trolling and we're all falling for it.

Asuron wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:What is this "something"? The Webway? They didn't invent it, and don't understand it anymore.

Pre heresy for when they did
My mistake as well, I meant they were able to use and understand technology the Emperor couldn't
I'm not entirely up to scratch on my Eldar lore but didn't they create the webway gates?

They have since lost the knowledge and technology involved with creating The Webway, probably around The Fall. The Emperor succeeded in obtaining access to it by literally building a new section, albeit of inferior material. Have any actual examples of technology The Emperor couldn't understand?


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DarknessEternal wrote:

Asuron wrote: The fricking Chaos gods called him the anathema, he stops chaos from plundering the chaos as bad as they could essentially,

Because he would become a god, not because of any psychic parlor tricks.

And you're still not recognizing that there isn't just one scale that all psychic power can be measured on. Sure, Magnus can injure a titan with psychic powers, but he can't see into the future to save his life (literally).

If there were though, The Emperor would be either at the top, or not even on it because his power transcends even those of a mere psyker, making the scale, existent or otherwise, moot.
Magnus could see into the future.

no matter how you define psychic power or the word psyker, the Emperor is much more powerful then any Eldar that ever existed.


He is a God.



lets see, last time an Eldar tried to take on a god was.... Eldanesh?

yeah, we all know how that ended up

It was a feck up by Alan Merret.

The HH writers were stuck with it, even though they'd have been better off ignoring it.

Grey Templar wrote:
He is a God.

Yes, now he is. In fact, he has no psychic powers anymore. He has only chaos powers by virtue of his status as a god. Khorne isn't a psyker, neither is the Emperor.

We've been in agreement for a while now. I don't think you have a point anymore.

I don't think he ever had a point except for a throw-away line in the Eldar codex.

Emperor > Eldar, period.

Omegus wrote:I don't think he ever had a point except for a throw-away line in the Eldar codex.

Yeah, I wasn't the one who brought that up or championed it aside from saying the Emperor was bad at seeing the future.

My mistake, it was Roadkill Zombie.

And the Emperor was bad at seeing what was right in front of him, much less the future.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Asuron wrote: The fricking Chaos gods called him the anathema, he stops chaos from plundering the chaos as bad as they could essentially,

Because he would become a god, not because of any psychic parlor tricks.

And you're still not recognizing that there isn't just one scale that all psychic power can be measured on. Sure, Magnus can injure a titan with psychic powers, but he can't see into the future to save his life (literally).

Thats odd because I can clearly recall that he and his legion COULD look into the future
Just that since there was so many futures and that alot of it was symbolic they didn't understand what they saw sometimes

Omegus wrote:My mistake, it was Roadkill Zombie.

And the Emperor was bad at seeing what was right in front of him, much less the future.

So?


Personal shortcomings and lack of skill in the area of fortelling the future is hardly a problem.

The Eldar only see possable futures, they can rarely tell which is the real one and are always mucking about trying to save their own asses. too often they just end up making the bad futures happen anyway, and then they blame Humanity.


Off topic: what is up with the Eldar and always blaming Humans for the problems that show up. they never blame anyone else. maybe they should blame themselves more. Humanity didn't create a whole new Chaos God, blow up 1/2 the Galaxy, and then create a Warp Rift that still marrs reality to this day.

Asuron wrote:
Thats odd because I can clearly recall that he and his legion COULD look into the future
Just that since there was so many futures and that alot of it was symbolic they didn't understand what they saw sometimes

All Magnus ever saw of the future was what some chaos god showed him. He never saw anything that would ever improve his situation or things that were really happening. He just acted like it was all part of his grand plan, but Tzeentch fooled him on that one.

I also didn't say no Thousand Son could see the future, some of them were clearly capable.


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Grey Templar wrote:
Off topic: what is up with the Eldar and always blaming Humans for the problems that show up. they never blame anyone else. maybe they should blame themselves more. Humanity didn't create a whole new Chaos God, blow up 1/2 the Galaxy, and then create a Warp Rift that still marrs reality to this day.

They're douchebags.

Grey Templar wrote:

So?

Personal shortcomings and lack of skill in the area of fortelling the future is hardly a problem.

If you go through the thread, you'll see I'm the staunchest supporter of the Emperor side of this argument.

The Eldar only see possable futures, they can rarely tell which is the real one and are always mucking about trying to save their own asses. too often they just end up making the bad futures happen anyway, and then they blame Humanity.

This is actually a recurrent theme in pretty much every BL book. In seeing a possible future and trying to avoid it, they end up bringing it about. Very often it's the Chaos powers showing them these future strands with just enough truth to make it believable, but presented in a way to misdirect and mislead.

Off topic: what is up with the Eldar and always blaming Humans for the problems that show up. they never blame anyone else. maybe they should blame themselves more. Humanity didn't create a whole new Chaos God, blow up 1/2 the Galaxy, and then create a Warp Rift that still marrs reality to this day.

Well, humans did provide enough juice to wake up the other three.

But yes, they're douchebags.

The combined races of the galaxy woke the other three, not just humans. Or were they always around? If Slaanesh is anything to judge by, there should be three other giant warp storms somewhere unless the others were around for long enough for theirs to close.

Khorne was the first, around The Crusades. Tzeentch was born perhaps during the age of the Borgias, and Nurgle during the Black Death. They were gradually formed by all races, so didn't have a huge sudden birth like Slannesh, so no Warp Storms were created.

Yes, but we humans pushed them that final distance over the finish line. Go humans! Suck it, aliens!

I don't think so,

they would have come about even without Humans. perhaps it would have taken another few thousand years, but whats that in terms of the galaxy?





The Eldar alone were responsable for an entire Chaos power. and I can assure you that the orgy of bloodlettting the Eldar took part in leading up to the birth also strengthened Khorne. the STDs which were surely getting passed around also gave Strength to Nurgle. and the whole thing was likely Tzeench's plan anyway.


so its all the Eldar's fault...

Thanatos_elNyx wrote:It was a feck up by Alan Merret.

The HH writers were stuck with it, even though they'd have been better off ignoring it.

That pretty much sums it up!

Omegus wrote:My mistake, it was Roadkill Zombie.

And the Emperor was bad at seeing what was right in front of him, much less the future.

Corax and some of his Legion seem to be very good at seeing glimpses of the future

( just started reading the new novel series about the Night Lords and very impressed.)

I would guess alot of these glimpses / visions, whatever the Emperor, the Eldar, Corax etc etc see have major issues with context and possible futures and Choas messing things up.........

My favorite achievement of the Emperor is that space beacon thingy that allows people to navigate the warp. Which is heavily implied to be the thing that drew the Tyranids to our galaxy - basically a giant neon sign saying Food here.

To me this pretty much personifies grimdark.

Ad Meliora wrote:My favorite achievement of the Emperor is that space beacon thingy that allows people to navigate the warp. Which is heavily implied to be the thing that drew the Tyranids to our galaxy - basically a giant neon sign saying Food here.

The Tyranid fleet hasn't shown the kind of speed that would cross intergalactic distances in the time that the Astronomicon has been active.

Everyone knows they drive faster when they don't have to avoid stars.