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BearersOfSalvation wrote:

biccat wrote:No, they can't put it on your credit report. The timeliness of payment is as of the date that tender was made. Placing a mark on a credit report requires a statement that payment was made late or not made at all. A creditor cannot delay acceptance of payment and use that as a basis to punish a debtor.

Placing information on a credit report only requires that there is a debt, I don't know where you get the idea that credit reports only show late or missing payments. If you have a car loan, house loan, and a couple of credit cards and never make a single late payment, someone pulling your credit report will see each one of those loans on the report. Yes, a creditor can't legally refuse a payment then report a late payment because of that, but they can still show the debt on a credit report, and can report that the tender offer was late if it was made after the deadline, and that can leave any late payment information on the report that was already there from previous payments.

You're right. We appear to be talking across each other. I assumed you had meant they can place a negative report on your credit report simply by refusing to accept a tender offer.

Avatar 720 wrote:

Wyrmalla wrote:The bloody woman at the till made us recount it four times, and every time added on a bit, despite having the exact amount needed. ¬¬

Kick her. Kick her in the head.

I remember when one customer of mine was paying with change and being a, well female dog, about it. She counted it out loud and put them on the counter and got mad when I recounted it for her.

"What, you don't trust me?" she practicaly accused me of some unknown crime of recounting money.

"Well, this one is a canadian penny and we don't take those." I said as sure enough I held up a canadian penny and handed it back to her politely. She had to dig through her purse for another penny and it made me so much happier for the rest of the day.

halonachos wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:

Wyrmalla wrote:The bloody woman at the till made us recount it four times, and every time added on a bit, despite having the exact amount needed. ¬¬

Kick her. Kick her in the head.

I remember when one customer of mine was paying with change and being a, well female dog, about it. She counted it out loud and put them on the counter and got mad when I recounted it for her.

"What, you don't trust me?" she practicaly accused me of some unknown crime of recounting money.

"Well, this one is a canadian penny and we don't take those." I said as sure enough I held up a canadian penny and handed it back to her politely. She had to dig through her purse for another penny and it made me so much happier for the rest of the day.

You cruel sod... funny though.

I don't take gak from customers, but I'm polite when I'm not taking gak.

My favorite was:

"Do you have computer games?"

"Yes, we have Starcraft 2 and World of Warcraft: Cataclysm(not a joke those are the only two computer games we sell in-store)."

"No I'm looking for real computer games."

Good lord, I just advised her to go to gamestop.

Real computer games?
That...
Just...
That doesn't make sense?

purplefood wrote:Real computer games?
That...
Just...
That doesn't make sense?

Exactly, we facepalmed afterwards.

Must have been hard to hold that facepalm back.

Palm to the customer's face I should think.

Damn. I can't believe all those people bought those fake video games and didn't even notice. What have they been doing all this time they've been 'playing' them?

Ah, more people in need of a head-kicking.

GazzyG wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:We don't know if he did. Allegedly, he did, but there's always two sides to every coin.

I caught it mate, don't worry.

Last night I dumped all the change out of my pockets on to the kitchen counter and went to wash my hands. When I came back two pound coins were standing on their edges.

Did time stop? (extra intranetz points for those who know where that comes from)

Thankfully not or I could not have heated up my curry in the microwave.

Frazzled wrote:Did time stop? (extra intranetz points for those who know where that comes from)

Yes!

halonachos wrote:I don't take gak from customers, but I'm polite when I'm not taking gak.

My favorite was:

"Do you have computer games?"

"Yes, we have Starcraft 2 and World of Warcraft: Cataclysm(not a joke those are the only two computer games we sell in-store)."

"No I'm looking for real computer games."

Good lord, I just advised her to go to gamestop.

Do you have Battletoads?

Kilkrazy wrote:Thankfully not or I could not have heated up my curry in the microwave.

Truely a fate worse than death.

I can't comment on the legality of paying a bill in small change, but what I find depressing about this story is the fact that the person was making a small protest in what seemed to be a relatively peaceful manner and it ended in them being arrested.

It put me in mind of a case in which a couple were arrested in the US for refusing to pay a gratuity that had been added to their restaurant bill after the service they recieved had been pretty bad.

"Hello, police? Would you mind comming over here and arresting this citizen of a free country who insists on standing up for themselves in a small and probably quite legal manner?"

Carmine the Wolf wrote:I can't comment on the legality of paying a bill in small change, but what I find depressing about this story is the fact that the person was making a small protest in what seemed to be a relatively peaceful manner and it ended in them being arrested.

Throwing stuff all over a workplace and demanding that people clean it up right then is not 'relatively peaceful' in my book. The dumb thing about his protest is that he forced the staff to call the police - if they didn't call and get a report in from their side, he could claim that they stole his pennies later on. He basically guaranteed himself a trip to jail by doing that.

People have the freedom to peacefully operate their own private property. If you come into any place and are an ass, they can tell you to leave, the call the cops to help sort things out if you don't (or manhandle you out of the store). If they tell you not to come back, then you can be arrested any time you set foot on the property in the future. Freedom of speech doesn't mean that you can go into anyone's place and say whatever you want, and certainly doesn't mean that you can throw a buch of small change around and demand that other people count it.

Throwing stuff all over a workplace and demanding that people clean it up right then

This bit, where does it say anything about his throwing stuff everwhere and demanding that they clean it up?

Avatar 720 wrote:

Throwing stuff all over a workplace and demanding that people clean it up right then

This bit, where does it say anything about his throwing stuff everwhere and demanding that they clean it up?

"the action caused upset amongst staff because the coins were dispersed about the counter and floor"

"West produced 2,500 pennies insisted that they be counted"

From htj's most excellent news source (c). It's not a far deviation from what was said on the Internet-unfriendly, copyrighted, no-touchy original article.

htj wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:

Throwing stuff all over a workplace and demanding that people clean it up right then

This bit, where does it say anything about his throwing stuff everwhere and demanding that they clean it up?

"the action caused upset amongst staff because the coins were dispersed about the counter and floor"

"West produced 2,500 pennies insisted that they be counted"

From htj's most excellent news source (c). It's not a far deviation from what was said on the Internet-unfriendly, copyrighted, no-touchy original article.

I know what the news report said, but I fail to see where it says he threw anything or demanded that anything be cleaned up.

Dumping pennies onto a counter and demanding that they be counted is a different action completely.

I suppose BearersOfSalvation was using somewhat hyperbolic language. See, this is why you should use a trusted news source, like htj's etc. etc. Although demanding that pennies that are scattered across the counter and floor be counted is near enough to demanding they be cleaned up, to be fair.

I'd just leave them there, perhaps push them around the see the value, count on a notepad and ask the customer to please place them onto the counter. You don't necessarily need to clear them up in order to assess their value.

I dunno, it is 2,500 pennies. That's hard to judge by eye. Either way, the charge is spurious, the staff overreacted, and he shouldn't get that fine.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:

halonachos wrote:I don't take gak from customers, but I'm polite when I'm not taking gak.

My favorite was:

"Do you have computer games?"

"Yes, we have Starcraft 2 and World of Warcraft: Cataclysm(not a joke those are the only two computer games we sell in-store)."

"No I'm looking for real computer games."

Good lord, I just advised her to go to gamestop.

Do you have Battletoads?

No, but that's not the worst thing I've been asked to see if we have.

The coins were also all over the floor and if a customer dumps money on a counter then they're being a true ass about it. Especially if the customer demands that they count the pennies. If I was in that situation I would probably make him pick all of the pennies off of the floor, I would count the ones on the counter and then tell him he's a bit short.

Hell I would count them and pray to god that he only had 2,499.99 so I could tell him that I needed the total amount before I could accept it. I wouldn't fine him, I would be passive aggressive.

Avatar 720 wrote:This bit, where does it say anything about his throwing stuff everwhere and demanding that they clean it up?

"Throwing stuff all over" is a shorter way of saying "dispersed the stuff about about the counter and floor", "insisting" and "demanding" are synonyms, you can't realistically count 2500 pennies without cleaning them up, and money doesn't generally count as a payment until it has been taken into a register or cash box. When your defense of the guy rests on the fact that he 'insisted' instead of 'demanded', and that he only insisted they count the coins not that they actually take the actions neccessary to count them, your defense is pathetically weak.

According to the "perp", all he did was dump the pennies onto the counter and ask for a receipt. He didn't demand they be counted, but offered to stay and wait if they wanted to make sure the payment was sufficient.

Eh, both sides have a story. He dumped the pennies on the counter and they rolled, if he says 'its the nature of pennies, they're round' then you would think that he was smart enough to realize that they would go everywhere.

The was being a prick about it even though he says he's a stand-up comedian. The other thing it shows is that the other people in the waiting room laughed, which humiliates the employee.

Ah, finally, the other side of the coin. It's good to see that the writer of that article is a fond of puns as Dakka proves to be.

htj wrote:Ah, finally, the other side of the coin. It's good to see that the writer of that article is a fond of puns as Dakka proves to be.

It's also current, see?