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I figure it's just bandwagon jumping onto an army that needed love for a long time. Doesn't hurt that the book has some powerful options in it.

Should be a "because they look really cool and have awesome detail in their models"... that's why both of our local GK players took them on (one last edition, one this edition)

'Because they are the most recent' should be added to the list.

The real reason people switch to GK?

Fortitude.

Godamn 5 points demonic possession.

Coz Ive been waiting 3 years to play them?

Wyrmalla wrote:But yeah, we don't allow players to field any army from a codex written by Matt Ward- if your playing marines your using the 4th ed codex, demz the rules. ^^

I like your attitude.


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Brother SRM wrote:I figure it's just bandwagon jumping onto an army that needed love for a long time. Doesn't hurt that the book has some powerful options in it.

As a dedicated Inquisitorial player, I can say that we could have done without the 'love'. The two GK players in my group agree...

It amazes me that the notion that codex X = auto win still persists.

Don't worry about the haters. you can join them when 'Crons, SoB and Tau come out again or just smile sadly at them. In their insane minds your tiny polystyrene minis are somehow better than theirs.

1. They have an excellent new Codex. Good rules, different play and not whacked-off unbalanced like IG/Space Wolves

2. They have cool new models. People dig Terminators. Dreadknight is shiny. Stormraven (in my humble opinion) the best GW "Flyer" out yet (and no, Darwing-Duck Razorwing doesn't even come close.. not in a million years)

3. They are a "perfect" second army. A few high-point troops via plastic boxes. Henchmen are a dream to re-utilize your bits-box. Why not?

4. In, again, my humble opinion, good fluff; maybe not necessarly in how it was written, but more generally for what it is. People just like best of the best, most secret of the secret. Also, things the Sigillite and stuff ties in to the immensely popular HH-series, etc.. . Lots of draws. We all know its the "in-thing" for the Internet-Connoisseurs around here to hype Kelly's Decapitator-wielding-Decapitator brilliance, but I think his fluff literally just doesn't, in the most direct sense of things, connect to much else in the fluff.

Zweischneid wrote:We all know its the "in-thing" for the Internet-Connoisseurs around here to hype Kelly's Decapitator-wielding-Decapitator brilliance, but I think his fluff literally just doesn't, in the most direct sense of things, connect to much else in the fluff.

Matt Ward's fluff doesn't, in the most direct sense of things, connect to much of reality or common sense.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Matt Ward's fluff doesn't, in the most direct sense of things, connect to much of reality or common sense.

Maybe. But neither reality or common sense are things one looks for in a full-frontal escapist hobby like 40K

AH joy, HBMC hyperbole. Good to see.

I like how one group bans Mat Ward dexes, but presumably allows the much much much more broken Space WOlves in.....

nosferatu1001 wrote:AH joy, HBMC hyperbole. Good to see.

I like how one group bans Mat Ward dexes, but presumably allows the much much much more broken Space WOlves in.....

That's because it has deep-sea scuba wolves, frat-brat Blood Claws going on Thunderhawk joyride-cruises, giant Cyber-wolves that aint Wolves but serve as horses for the wolf-claw-wielding Wolf-Marines wit wolf-names. It's this kind of Kelly-fluff, oh so deeply grounded in common sense and reality, that apparently makes all the difference.

nosferatu1001 wrote:AH joy, HBMC hyperbole. Good to see.

Hyperbole? Interesting. I wouldn't call what I said 'hyperbole'. Hyperbole would imply high or even absurd levels of exaggeration, and one cannot exaggerate things without there being an element of truth to it (otherwise what are you exaggerating?). So either you consider that there is some element of truth to what I say when I say Ward's writing has no connection to common sense... or it was a lame attempt at a personal attack on your part; the proverbial 'to the man', as it were.

You choose.

nosferatu1001 wrote:I like how one group bans Mat Ward dexes, but presumably allows the much much much more broken Space WOlves in.....

Yup. Because that post was 100% Serious Business, and not at all funny.


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Zweischneid wrote:That's because it has deep-sea scuba wolves, frat-brat Blood Claws going on Thunderhawk joyride-cruises, giant Cyber-wolves that aint Wolves but serve as horses for the wolf-claw-wielding Wolf-Marines wit wolf-names. It's this kind of Kelly-fluff, oh so deeply grounded in common sense and reality, that apparently makes all the difference.

I think Canis Wolfborn (and the entire concept of Thunderwolf Cavalry) is one of the most absurd things to come out of GW in quite some time, but every page of the Grey Knight Codex makes the Thunderwolves look like Ultramarines with Bolters.

Which "reality" of a fictional universe do yo uwant him to have connection to?

Bearing in mind how inconstent this "reality" is, when you look back over it....

And again with the hyperbole. It really isnt "every page turn" now, is it.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I think Canis Wolfborn (and the entire concept of Thunderwolf Cavalry) is one of the most absurd things to come out of GW in quite some time, but every page of the Grey Knight Codex makes the Thunderwolves look like Ultramarines with Bolters.

Compared to the trite, uninspired drivel of the Space Wolf Codex, the Grey Knight book feels like reading a young, hungry Hemmingway born again. Same goes for Dark Eldar btw. It's the pinnacle of expositonary writing. "Vect is the most intelligent Dark Eldar of them all". Great! Thanks for telling us Kelly. Back to reading books where things actually happen.

I love it how people deny the truth of canon books published by the company that created the universe in which they're creating fluff. How can anything they do be "wrong" to the universe?

When the fluff contradicts the fluff:

3rd edition Chaos: The Isstvan 5 dropsite massacre occurred when the World Eaters, Emperor's Children and Death Guard gunned down the Salamanders, Raven Guard and Iron Hands after the three Loyalist Legions failed to beat the Sons of Horus.

4th edition Chaos: The Isstvan 5 dropsite massacre occurred when the Alpha Legion, Iron Warriors, Night Lords and Word Bearers gunned down the Salamanders, Raven Guard and Iron Hands after the three Loyalist Legions failed to beat the Sons of Horus, Emperor's Children, World Eaters and Death Guard. Which sounds a lot better for the Imperial side.

First army I started with the old codex.

Nice to actually be able to play them decently again.

Only marines with MCs.

I have a friend who got the IG battleforce and a few more units. He had everything all planned out in terms of what he was buying then....SHAZAM! Grey knights!

Matt Ward.

daedalus-templarius wrote:
Only marines with MCs.

Chaos?

They are small and easy to paint and have a lot of the 'awesome' factor...

I had 5 armies and had sworn never to start another one.
I saw the new grey knight models.
I now have six armies

Nerivant wrote:

Ridealgh wrote:their indestructable except from the most finely tuned and eltie armies thats why there are so many players

Stupid people think they're indestructible, that's why so many people think that's the reason there are so many GK players.

so your saying that i'm stupid then. Nice. Real helpful feedback there.

It's not hard to figure out. The army has amazing models with a relatively simple color scheme, and is low model count.

For $400 and a few weeks of painting, you can have a great 1850 GK army up and running.




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Ridealgh wrote:

Nerivant wrote:

Ridealgh wrote:their indestructable except from the most finely tuned and eltie armies thats why there are so many players

Stupid people think they're indestructible, that's why so many people think that's the reason there are so many GK players.

so your saying that i'm stupid then. Nice. Real helpful feedback there.

while abrasive, he made a solid point. GKs aren't even the most durable army out there. Deathwing (post errata) are more durable, and many armies are roughly as durable (loganwing, nob bikerz).

A lack of stormshields makes them vunlerable to 2+ shooting, and the power armored GKs are just MEQs.