Nemesis Force Weapon + Eternal Warrior query

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**Vaktathi**

Zeus, having played in California, Washington and Oregon, at probably more than a dozen stores/clubs, and at multiple large events, I've never met anyone who thought Eternal Warriors didn't protect against Force Weapons just as much as against anything else that would inflict Instant Death.

**juraigamer**

Zeus wrote:Please read

Eternal Warrior says ..... Exactly " this model is immune to the instant death rule"

AND the instant death rule is on p.26

So Eternal warrior prevents the instant death rule from taking affect.

Whats killing me is I have never met anyone who didn't know what Eternal Warrior does, and i've played in Michigan,Ohio, North Carolina, and Alabama.
So i'm just blown away that people on here don't seem to realize that Eternal Warrior simply prevents you from getting gibbed by a weapon that is ST of double your toughness.

Please Read Eternal Warrior p.74 and then refer to P.26 for clarification

Sorry i'm new here and am NOT trying to rock the boat so to speak but...........

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nosferatu1001 wrote:It doesnt matter - Zeus is wrong if he reckons that instant death ignores eternal warrior.

It's probably some variant of the flawed "but the ID rule only talks about double toughness" argument. Hard to tell, no argument has been presented so far, just an (incorrect, and provably so) assertion and a link to where the rules can be found that prove the assertion to be incorrect.

LOL ok then. sorry guys
Apparently reading the rulebook doesnt work for you.

Sorry to bother you guys please go back to making up your own rules.

LOL understand there is alot of holes in 40k rules but i never met anyone who thought this was one of them.

<image redacted - personal attacks, even in the form of funny pictures, are inappropriate here --Janthkin>

Eternal warrior makes a model immune to instant death. You can still use force weapons on a target, and still attempt to use their ability to cause instant death, it just won't do anything against a model with EW.

**Jidmah**

Der Blaue Wolf wrote:
Jidmah wrote:So what rule do all those people use to figure out what instant death caused by force weapons, bone swords or wraith cannons does?

Read 'Force Weapons' on p.50
'This power has no effect on vehicles, models that are immune to instant death and any other model that does not have a Wounds value.'

Therefore, force weapons do not affect Eternal Warriors, which are 'immune to the Instant Death rule.' (p.74) And just because it doesn't say the word 'rule' after 'instant death' in the force weapon entry, does not mean it is not referring you to it, as it specifies the rule is called 'instant death,' such as 'use the lowest value for working out instant death.' (p.26).

I was being sarcastic towards Zeus.

**omerakk**

Can people get banned for being trolls? If so, it's time to remove that guy. This is the 3rd thread hes done this in

**jbunny**

Zeus:

I have played in Ill, Iowa, Tenn, and Alabama, and I have never played with a group or person who thought Force Weapons worked on Eternal Warrior.

Also if you are playing at the stores in Birmingham, then I know for a fact that they play by the actual rules. I have played in those stores before.

**Miraclefish**

They even play it like that in Birmingham, UK...

**Grey Templar**

maybe he is confused with the old GK force weapons which did bypass EW(by virtue of being old force weapons from the time before the EW rule was written)

**nosferatu1001**

No, I dont think he is, given the reference to Instant Death - which the old FW didnt use at all.

It's just a fairly common error that the poster made, and wasnt willing to see or actually support with any rules. And, now theyve been comphrensively shown to be wrong, appears to have disappeared.....

**Der Blaue Wolf**

Jidmah wrote:
Der Blaue Wolf wrote:
Jidmah wrote:So what rule do all those people use to figure out what instant death caused by force weapons, bone swords or wraith cannons does?

Read 'Force Weapons' on p.50
'This power has no effect on vehicles, models that are immune to instant death and any other model that does not have a Wounds value.'

Therefore, force weapons do not affect Eternal Warriors, which are 'immune to the Instant Death rule.' (p.74) And just because it doesn't say the word 'rule' after 'instant death' in the force weapon entry, does not mean it is not referring you to it, as it specifies the rule is called 'instant death,' such as 'use the lowest value for working out instant death.' (p.26).

I was being sarcastic towards Zeus.

Woops... quoted the wrong guys. Sorry