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Mordians are the above Prussians. They are absolutely a musket-line.
They wear those uniforms in battle because "crawling around in the muck trying to hide is uncivilised". A Marine that won't crawl around in the muck? Please.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Mordians are the above Prussians. They are absolutely a musket-line.
They wear those uniforms in battle because "crawling around in the muck trying to hide is uncivilised". A Marine that won't crawl around in the muck? Please.

Or this?

You tell me which looks more like this:

Reserach the Mordians. They are not Marines - they don't even have water on their planet

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Reserach the Mordians. They are not Marines - they don't even have water on their planet

Im Not saying theyre marines. Im saying theyre designed after them.

Regardless they are quite European.

The closest thing to USMC is the Catachan. Although they are inspired by pretty much any GI in Vietnam one could argue they invoke the WWII Pacific Theatre Marines badassery as well.

The Mordians are just based on Victorian armies in general, not a specific one. They're all about flashy uniforms, marching in formations, disciplined volley fire and whatnot. Personally I hate the way they've taken Catachans. Guys actually based on the US in the pacific/vietnam would be really cool (though being based on the Japanese or Viet Cong would be even cooler and fit the "expert jungle fighters" bit better), but the Catachans' overmuscled Rambo thing is just slowed. I don't know who even buys them. Today I picked up some stuff from my lgs and half the battleforces were out of stock, the rest only had one each in stock. The only exception was the catachans, who had 3 on the shelves. There were twice as many catachan plastic boxes as Cadians in the main section as well. This thread reminds me of how much I wish any other regiment were in plastic instead of those godawful hideous catachans.

Hmm IMO mordians look more like Prussians, becuase they actually fight in those clothes! Plus they have the enitre "Lets all line up and shoot" strategy most of the time

But yea they're definitely not German

Varrick wrote:Beats the flipping hell out of flames of war.

Flames of war is 15mm, why bring that up?

Egads! The drummer is missing a moustache, how unmanly of him to march to war without a moustache!

I've noticed a frightening number of people trashing FoW minis for being "ugly" and not realizing that a fow trooper stands at a Cadian's knee.

I never really thought about it, but 28mm Landwehr would be really great for cheaper, more varied Mordians.

kenshin620 wrote:Hmm IMO mordians look more like Prussians, becuase they actually fight in those clothes! Plus they have the enitre "Lets all line up and shoot" strategy most of the time

But yea they're definitely not German

You know Prussians are Germans right? They even have Iron Crosses in that pic.

Devastator wrote:

Varrick wrote: Death Korps of Kreig leads in on its name. Very dark, very Wehrmacht looking, .

They are closer to ww1 era soldiers than Heer.
Steel legion is pretty much the closest thing you can get to Heer.

They're even closer to Luftwaffe (Fallschirmjaeger, compare their kit and its almost a dead ringer)

The DKoK, despite the majority of players insistence that they are German are actually closer to French or Belgian WW1 troops in appearance.

Good to know, I thought it was pronounced kreeg, I'll change that.

Thats actually accurate (creeg/kreeg), just note that the g at the end is not a very hard g, a native german speaker would pronounce it kinda in between a g and a k sound, rather than a full on hard g or hard k (as in tag or creek).

Also for future reference to non native (American) English speakers, creek is a poor choice of word to pick to explain to someone how to pronounce something. There are large parts of this country that pronounce creek like crick.

Well, the Death Koprs of Krieg are actually designed after german WW1 forces. Theyve got the same style helmet, battled in wasteland and trenches, have a grey uniform color along with a german style trench/ overcoat, they all wear gas masks, etc.
Also, their mortars have a striking ressemblence to Austrio Hungarian mortars. Not only that but their big guns are deployed in a similar manner.

If by same helmet, battled in wasteland and trenches, have a grey uniform, and trench/overcoat, and wear gas masks, you mean they are modeled after the WW1 french army, you would be correct.

I don't know where the idea that greatcoat + gas mask = german came from, but its horribly horribly wrong.

Jollydevil wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:and Steel Legion and Mordians.

Steel legion maybe, not as much as DKoK, but Mordian, na, more of the marines.

You're still going to argue against that, despite the fact that Kroothawk posted images of Prussian dress uniforms that are even closer matches for the Mordians than the Marines are? Okay, so the Mordians are wearing visored covers instead of pickelhaube, but the prussians wore those too... in fact they invented them (IIRC), or at the very least they made them popular by issuing them out as the standard headgear of the Landeswehr. Would you like me to point out some specifics to you? For one, the Prussians are wearing high boots like the Mordians, unlike the Marines wearing low quarters. The Prussians have solid color cuffs of about the same proportion as the Mordians, whereas the Marines have piped cuffs of longer length. The Mordians have more pronounced epaulets than the Marines do, although neither have them nearly as pronounced as the Mordians. The coat worn by the Prussians is plain, unlike the coats worn by the Marines which are covered in pockets. The only thing that the Marines have on the Prussians is the bloodstripe on the trousers, the more pronounced piping on the coats (only barely), and the visored cover, which as shown in the boxart for the Prussian Landeswehr, is also a uniform item of the prussian troops... (which I will point out are closer in appearance to the Mordians covers than the Marines are).

And again, Steel Legion are a closer match for German troops than the DKoK are, but its the WW2 Fallschirmjaeger, not the Army itself that they match.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:You know Prussians are Germans right? They even have Iron Crosses in that pic.

Alright I admit, history isnt too much of my forte. Although technically Prussia first made the iron cross, then Germany (going by political names)

chaos0xomega wrote:I don't know where the idea that greatcoat + gas mask = german came from, but its horribly horribly wrong.

I wouldnt blame the fanbase too much, its mainly GWs problem for making very ambiguous regiments. The words Krieg and the helmet immediately give a german impression since most people do not easily recognize the french uniform they wear

I believe the Iron Cross ultimately comes from the German Knightly Order the "Teutonic Knights". As in Teutons/Germans.
While originally a Baltic area, Prussia became German during the early Middle Ages and later came to epitomize German military tradition.
It was the Prussians that led the other German states into unification in 1871 aside from a few holdouts like Austria who didn't like the idea that the Prussians and not them would be in charge.

Anyway, the epaulettes on the Mordians I feel are more French or Italian though the hats remind me of the British.


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Regards the Krieg helmets, while having a stahlhelm look, the vent on top I think gives it a look similar to the French adrienne helmet though it may just be meant to tie in to the vent on top of the space marine helmets.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Devastator wrote:

Varrick wrote: Death Korps of Kreig leads in on its name. Very dark, very Wehrmacht looking, .

They are closer to ww1 era soldiers than Heer.
Steel legion is pretty much the closest thing you can get to Heer.

They're even closer to Luftwaffe (Fallschirmjaeger, compare their kit and its almost a dead ringer)

The DKoK, despite the majority of players insistence that they are German are actually closer to French or Belgian WW1 troops in appearance.

Good to know, I thought it was pronounced kreeg, I'll change that.

Thats actually accurate (creeg/kreeg), just note that the g at the end is not a very hard g, a native german speaker would pronounce it kinda in between a g and a k sound, rather than a full on hard g or hard k (as in tag or creek).

Also for future reference to non native (American) English speakers, creek is a poor choice of word to pick to explain to someone how to pronounce something. There are large parts of this country that pronounce creek like crick.

Well, the Death Koprs of Krieg are actually designed after german WW1 forces. Theyve got the same style helmet, battled in wasteland and trenches, have a grey uniform color along with a german style trench/ overcoat, they all wear gas masks, etc.
Also, their mortars have a striking ressemblence to Austrio Hungarian mortars. Not only that but their big guns are deployed in a similar manner.

If by same helmet, battled in wasteland and trenches, have a grey uniform, and trench/overcoat, and wear gas masks, you mean they are modeled after the WW1 french army, you would be correct.

I don't know where the idea that greatcoat + gas mask = german came from, but its horribly horribly wrong.

Jollydevil wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:and Steel Legion and Mordians.

Steel legion maybe, not as much as DKoK, but Mordian, na, more of the marines.

You're still going to argue against that, despite the fact that Kroothawk posted images of Prussian dress uniforms that are even closer matches for the Mordians than the Marines are? Okay, so the Mordians are wearing visored covers instead of pickelhaube, but the prussians wore those too... in fact they invented them (IIRC), or at the very least they made them popular by issuing them out as the standard headgear of the Landeswehr. Would you like me to point out some specifics to you? For one, the Prussians are wearing high boots like the Mordians, unlike the Marines wearing low quarters. The Prussians have solid color cuffs of about the same proportion as the Mordians, whereas the Marines have piped cuffs of longer length. The Mordians have more pronounced epaulets than the Marines do, although neither have them nearly as pronounced as the Mordians. The coat worn by the Prussians is plain, unlike the coats worn by the Marines which are covered in pockets. The only thing that the Marines have on the Prussians is the bloodstripe on the trousers, the more pronounced piping on the coats (only barely), and the visored cover, which as shown in the boxart for the Prussian Landeswehr, is also a uniform item of the prussian troops... (which I will point out are closer in appearance to the Mordians covers than the Marines are).

And again, Steel Legion are a closer match for German troops than the DKoK are, but its the WW2 Fallschirmjaeger, not the Army itself that they match.

They DKoK are not moronically painted blue and red. /arguement.


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However, I can see what youre saying, so saying that theyre modelled off of just Germans or Just french is both wrong.

I don't see how you can argue that they aren't german-based. Yes, their uniform takes elements from other great war forces, but "Korps", "Krieg", and the fact that they are all painted in grey and black make it pretty obvious that the designers were going for great war germans. Though I think they would look really good painted in the drab blue-grey of late war french.

Let's just say, that in Germany, Mordians are always associated with US Marine Dress Uniform, not with Prussia. Even I being familiar with historical uniforms, never thought of them as being Prussian inspired. Being a shiney dress uniform, the soldiers are reluctant to crawl in the dirt with it.

actually, what once was Prussia is now the heart of Germany.


at the time, there was no Germany, but a collection of german states with Prussia being the most powerful.

Berlin was also the capital of Prussia.




Prussia, and its method of organization, was the model for the germany today.

Grey Templar wrote:actually, what once was Prussia is now the heart of Germany.

at the time, there was no Germany, but a collection of german states with Prussia being the most powerful.

Berlin was also the capital of Prussia.

Prussia, and its method of organization, was the model for the germany today.

Not exactly.
Parts of former Prussia were left to the GDR and later joined the FRG but the name was undone by the allies, so today there is no prussia.
As a federal state Berlin is Berlin, thus independent and the surronding area is Brandenburg, capital is Potsdam.
So not much left of prussia. The method of organization was the model for some time, but may change with ongoing reforms.
Don't underestimate the influence of multinational campaigns and limited money.

o.o he asked for help with colours, talking about how prussia is the current Germany's great grand daddy is a bit off subject o.o

personally if i could afford it i would get steel legion with there gas masks and long coats, but i think your best bet would be the mordiant colour scheme of a royal/ultramarine blue with sharp red trimming gold tassels, but if your after trench, i think your best bet would be steel sorry i dont know if this is very helpful or not.

:edit:

to many currents x)

If you don't mind the scale difference, Steel Legion, Krieg, Mordians, or Valhallans could all be built pretty cheaply out of historical miniatures (and separately purchased gas mask heads for DKOK and SL), backed up by GW tanks and bits-ordered special and heavy weapons.

Every Imperial Army has a counterpart in Human history, eg Armageddon Legion - WWI Trench warfare, Valhallan Ice Warriors - WWII Russian Troops on the W/front etc...

I think that why GW bases a few armies on the WWI germans is because they are easily recognizable, unlike cadian could be any modern western army

fleet of claw wrote:

I think that why GW bases a few armies on the WWI germans is because they are easily recognizable, unlike cadian could be any modern western army

Armies were easier to recognize before WW1 and the move to less colorful uniforms.

I think the choice of grey and numbers instead of names, plus gasmasks to hide the face was to give 40k a WW1 style army of faceless grey hordes who fight entrenched and die unsung. To mix uniforms isn't so bad since its sci-fantasy and not historical wargaming.

just like to comment on the whold prussia germany issue. TECHNICALLY prussia isnt the current germany atall. prussia was the leader of the first form of a unified germany but after Stalin shifted all the borders after the 2nd world war the majority of prussian land in the unified form of germany, now lies in poland. just let that one sit for a while

No one said it was exactly the same.



Prussia as a political and social entity is very much a part of Germany today.

it was the Prussian military heritage which existed during the 3rd Rich.

If we're going on this tangent, then it should be noted that the country we call Prussia, which took the lead in uniting modern Germany, was politically centered in and traced its heritage from Brandenburg, and only came to be known as Prussia due to the Margraves of Brandenburg wanting to go by a more prestigious title. Geographic Prussia is no longer part of Germany, but Brandenburg still is. Just about everything thought of as "Prussian" really got started in Brandenburg.

fleet of claw wrote:Valhallan Ice Warriors - WWII Russian Troops on the W/front etc...

Russia didnt fight on the Western front....

GW "bases" their IG armies on real world military uniforms. They Don't just say "lets make an IG army that looks exactly like a german infantry soldier from WW1 and sell it as an IG army" no they take different aspects of armies and combine them to make something fresh. So you can sit here all day and bicker back an forth about which god damn real world army each regiment is based on or you can just sit back, and interpret each army the way you want....not everyone is going to see the same thing you do. As for Mordian though......they are not even close to based on US marines....its just stupid to even think that. A marine doesnt wear Brightly colored uniforms into battle....nor would they be afraid to get down on all fours and crawl to kill their enemy(that should be a key interpretation for Victorian age military anyway) and last but by no means least a United States Marine would not have those ornate Shoulder boards on their uniform.....OH yeah and Mordian are also painted in different colors...look in the 3rd edition IG codex, the alternate colors will scream Victorian even more.

Steel Legion are luftwaffe paratroopers, not WW1 trench warfare. The ones you are talking about are Death Korps of Krieg regiments.

Valhallans on WW2 Soviets.

Cadians on USA

Catachans mainly on Rambo

Mordians, I have always thought about Prussians or anyway European armies of the late 19th century.

Vostroyans, Russian cossacks 19th century ?

KOS wrote:Steel Legion are luftwaffe paratroopers, not WW1 trench warfare. The ones you are talking about are Death Korps of Krieg regiments.

Valhallans on WW2 Soviets.

Cadians on USA

Catachans mainly on Rambo

Mordians, I have always thought about Prussians or anyway European armies of the late 19th century.

Vostroyans, Russian cossacks 19th century ?

Pretty much though I think Cadians are generic 20th century NATO types.

I suspect that the 'new' Cadian plastics were heavily influenced by the first Starship Troopers film.

cadbren wrote:

KOS wrote:Steel Legion are luftwaffe paratroopers, not WW1 trench warfare. The ones you are talking about are Death Korps of Krieg regiments.

Valhallans on WW2 Soviets.

Cadians on USA

Catachans mainly on Rambo

Mordians, I have always thought about Prussians or anyway European armies of the late 19th century.

Vostroyans, Russian cossacks 19th century ?

Why would the steel legion be german paratroopers? Paratroopers don't wear gas masks. Also, I think that cadians are more of un/ NATO than us.
Ps-using the iPad, so sorry about the quoting issues.

Pretty much though I think Cadians are generic 20th century NATO types.