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Can we really differentiate Prussians and Germans? Basically same folks, basically same landmass.

KOS wrote:Steel Legion are luftwaffe paratroopers, not WW1 trench warfare. The ones you are talking about are Death Korps of Krieg regiments.

Valhallans on WW2 Soviets.

Cadians on USA

Catachans mainly on Rambo

Mordians, I have always thought about Prussians or anyway European armies of the late 19th century.

Vostroyans, Russian cossacks 19th century ?

You mean these Luftwaffe paratroopers? They are both based on trench units from the first world war and frankly i don't think ANY paratrooper regiment would wear a greatcoat like that.

Want more? http://store.warlordgames.co.uk/fallschirmjager-2513-p.asp
Hows this link to historically accurate miniatures fare? Steel Legion are based off of WWI trench fighter variations.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Armageddon_Steel_Legion

Only the helmet is direct from the Fallschrmjager; and even then i would say its more related to the standard infantrymans helmet. The coat and rest of the uniform is based on BRITISH WWI uniforms. Including the gas mask. Therefore the helmet alone dosen't make them based off of WWII German para-corps any more than my cap makes me based on a...*puts on fez* Dr. Who.

Space Nazis:

Omegus wrote:Can we really differentiate Prussians and Germans? Basically same folks, basically same landmass.

So you are from Iowa?

Varrick wrote:

KOS wrote:Steel Legion are luftwaffe paratroopers, not WW1 trench warfare. The ones you are talking about are Death Korps of Krieg regiments.

Valhallans on WW2 Soviets.

Cadians on USA

Catachans mainly on Rambo

Mordians, I have always thought about Prussians or anyway European armies of the late 19th century.

Vostroyans, Russian cossacks 19th century ?

You mean these Luftwaffe paratroopers? They are both based on trench units from the first world war and frankly i don't think ANY paratrooper regiment would wear a greatcoat like that.

Want more? http://store.warlordgames.co.uk/fallschirmjager-2513-p.asp
Hows this link to historically accurate miniatures fare? Steel Legion are based off of WWI trench fighter variations.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Armageddon_Steel_Legion

Only the helmet is direct from the Fallschrmjager; and even then i would say its more related to the standard infantrymans helmet. The coat and rest of the uniform is based on BRITISH WWI uniforms. Including the gas mask. Therefore the helmet alone dosen't make them based off of WWII German para-corps any more than my cap makes me based on a...*puts on fez* Dr. Who.

Im sorry, but you're horribly wrong. Nobody in WW1 wore coats like the Steel Legion, its not even a great coat, it pretty much IS a smock, just like in the pics you've posted, the only difference is that the Steel Legion don't tuck them in like FJ did, but guess what, not every FJ tucked his smock in either:

http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/357962-2/Digitalizar0002
http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/254293-2/RV47

As for gasmasks, those bear a closer resemblance to an aviators breath mask rather than a gas mask. Gas masks usually cover the entire face, INCLUDING the british gas masks of WW1...
http://www.google.com/search?um=1&hl=en&biw=1680&bih=857&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=ww1+british+gas+mask&oq=ww1+british+gas+mask&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=undefined&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=40398l43330l0l20l18l0l10l10l0l446l1413l3.3.1.0.1l8

Even so the uniform for Steel legion is based off of Royal British Infantryman smocks not those worn by the Luftwaffe paratroopers, that 2nd image was of an Italian paratrooper, i shouldn't have expected you top go to the WH40k wiki link its mainly the respirator box.

Armageddon Steel legion page of the Wh40k wikia
Parts of the uniform are drawn from the British Royal Army's infantry uniform in World War I (the coats are modeled on the British 1914 Utility Tunic and the gas masks are of the 1916 Box-Respirator type) and the German Paratroops (Fallschirmjäger) of World War II (particularly the Steel Legion's helmet design).

The Steel Legion "smocks" Are great coats

The soldiers of the Steel Legions require gas masks and thick, synthetic trenchcoats

and that great coat is modeled after one which was issued to Royal British soldiers in 1914; may not see many wearing it but do a quick Google search. Or let me .
And as for the first image that smock is not nearly big enough to be considered a coat for the Steel Legion; that is basically the uniform shirt for a set of fatigues.
But Steel Legion don't wear smocks they wear thick trench coats, there WERE coats like the Steel Legions worn in WW one, and the only way Steel Legion COULD tuck that coat in was if their pants had that much room at the legs.

All quotes were from http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Armageddon_Steel_Legion

Kroothawk wrote:

Omegus wrote:Can we really differentiate Prussians and Germans? Basically same folks, basically same landmass.

So you are from Iowa?

Well, if we're speaking in the most general of terms... Iowans are all ass-holes. I'm an ass-hole. So yeah, basically I'm from Iowa.

1) GW models are a mixture of multiple uniforms, at best from one era.
2) steel legion are mobile infantry, wearing rebreathers.
3) pics:

Gw models
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1140104
uniforms in museum ( infantry, para on the right )
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3592/3625824801_5d1eef8120.jpg
fallschirmjäger als infanterie eingesetzt
http://i28.tinypic.com/2zfiudk.jpg
coat:
http://www.modelsbooks.ru/products_pictures/b14.jpg

German uniforms are either longer or shorter than the "steel legions uniform".
Helmet may be looking a bit like FJ-helmet, but surely this design wasn't copyrighted....
Gloves are out of scale on SL, but never put over the sleeves of the coat like SL in WW2 armies from mid-europe.

4) not painted grey or in camo.

edited to link only.

1hadhq wrote:1) GW models are a mixture of multiple uniforms, at best from one era.
2) steel legion are mobile infantry, wearing rebreathers.
3) pics:

Gw models

uniforms in museum ( infantry, para on the right )
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3592/3625824801_5d1eef8120.jpg
fallschirmjäger als infanterie eingesetzt
http://i28.tinypic.com/2zfiudk.jpg
coat:
http://www.modelsbooks.ru/products_pictures/b14.jpg

German uniforms are either longer or shorter than the "steel legions uniform".
Helmet may be looking a bit like FJ-helmet, but surely this design wasn't copyrighted....
Gloves are out of scale on SL, but never put over the sleeves of the coat like SL in WW2 armies from mid-europe.

4) not painted grey or in camo.

403 on first link.

1hadhq wrote:1) GW models are a mixture of multiple uniforms, at best from one era.

Thats what I was trying to get accross in my post here. At least someone agrees with me. As for me though i've always viewed Steel Legion as Nazi Germany...especially from their fluff about battle tactics

Kazerkinelite wrote:

fleet of claw wrote:GW "bases" their IG armies on real world military uniforms. They Don't just say "lets make an IG army that looks exactly like a german infantry soldier from WW1 and sell it as an IG army" no they take different aspects of armies and combine them to make something fresh.

The Steel Legion regiments are primarily Mechanized Infantry, and Armageddon produces many armoured fighting vehicles for the Imperium, such as Chimera APCs. This allows them to launch rapid attacks in which the Chimeras overrun enemy lines before the infantry disembarks to finish them off. Regiments are sometimes supported by Conscript Platoons and Ratling snipers.

The mechanized regiments of the Steel legion are extremely mobile and can be shifted within shortest time to the front or to support a threatened front section.

Varrick wrote: Even so the uniform for Steel legion is based off of Royal British Infantryman smocks not those worn by the Luftwaffe paratroopers, that 2nd image was of an Italian paratrooper, i shouldn't have expected you top go to the WH40k wiki link its mainly the respirator box.

Armageddon Steel legion page of the Wh40k wikia
Parts of the uniform are drawn from the British Royal Army's infantry uniform in World War I (the coats are modeled on the British 1914 Utility Tunic and the gas masks are of the 1916 Box-Respirator type) and the German Paratroops (Fallschirmjäger) of World War II (particularly the Steel Legion's helmet design).

The Steel Legion "smocks" Are great coats

The soldiers of the Steel Legions require gas masks and thick, synthetic trenchcoats

and that great coat is modeled after one which was issued to Royal British soldiers in 1914; may not see many wearing it but do a quick Google search. Or let me .
And as for the first image that smock is not nearly big enough to be considered a coat for the Steel Legion; that is basically the uniform shirt for a set of fatigues.
But Steel Legion don't wear smocks they wear thick trench coats, there WERE coats like the Steel Legions worn in WW one, and the only way Steel Legion COULD tuck that coat in was if their pants had that much room at the legs.

All quotes were from http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Armageddon_Steel_Legion

Thats a German Paratrooper in Italy, not an Italian paratrooper. Note the FG42 hes carrying, issued only to GERMAN paratroops in limited numbers. As if the German pattern camo and distinctive Fallschirmjaeger stahlhelm wasnt enough (btw, while not 'copywritten' it is a distinctive piece of kit which wasn't used by anyone else before or since)of a giveaway.

This is a 1914 utility tunic: http://battlefields1418.50megs.com/uniform2.htm

HOW is that at all like the Armageddon Steel Legion uniform?

Also claiming that the gasmask is modeled after the 1916 british box respirator is somewhat inaccurate, considering the hood bears zero resemblance, the only real similarity being the box respirator, which is actually an entire category of gas masks rather than a single model.

Also, those are NOT greatcoats. By definition a greatcoat extends below the knees and features a small cape around the shoulders. None of the Steel Legion coats have the cape, and the only one who appears to have a beyond knee length coat is the officer (in both minis and artwork). Its a smock:

http://ransomechua.wordpress.com/2011/03/19/fallschirmjager-normandy-1944/

Hell, the Steel Legion even wear the same kind of webbing/vest. I'll even point out that the smocks on the Steel Legion are split down the center of the (lower) back, just like the FJ smocks, and totally unlike the British coats. The only major difference is the lack of epaulettes.

As for tucking in, the pants have nothing to do with it. The smock coat has straps around the hem that could be tightened around the legs.

Gas mask
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_weapons_in_World_War_I
Modeled HEAVILY upon WW I developments the bulk being from the box respirator mask but using goggles separate as a GW deviation.
The webbing has little to do with it because as i believe we already established THEY ARE MODELED FROM BOTH! British WW one units and FJ paratroopers. Webbing may be from Fj, helmet may be from FJ, but the mask and coat aren't. And back to smocks again the FJ smock is TOO SMALL as in NOT THICK ENOUGH for SL coats. Though we could split the difference and give British credit to top half and Fj for bottom. Because from what i can tell the top shares more with the tunic, the bottom shares more with the FJ(BTW that last link is WAY better comparison than the others) and then they thicken it up to fit with the fluff.

Some things to clarify:
The French wore trench coats, as stated above, so actually a nice big chunk of soldiers in ww1 wore trench coats.
Second, I don't think that the gas mask too closely resemble ww1 gas masks of any type, due to the fact that if I remember correctly most have boxes underneath for filters or whatever. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Well Steel legion gas masks also have a tube attached to a filter(if this is what you are refering to). But I feel the Steel Legions gas masks don't look WW1 in any resemblance, nor do I think they resemble the trench warfare style of WW1 as the DKoK do.

Kazerkinelite wrote:Well Steel legion gas masks also have a tube attached to a filter(if this is what you are refering to). But I feel the Steel Legions gas masks don't look WW1 in any resemblance, nor do I think they resemble the trench warfare style of WW1 as the DKoK do.

Because DkoK is flat out a mixture of several WW I army uniforms while Steel Legions is the product of WWII German paratroopers and WWI British Infantry. DkOK is almost entirely from WWI SL is a mix of two armies from two wars.

Well yeah, thats what i was trying to get at earlier, most of the IG armies mix uniforms of armies in history to make the IG uniforms.

Aside from the coats though Steel Legion favours the German military for inspiration.

Varrick wrote: Death Korps of Kreig leads in on its name. Very dark, very Wehrmacht looking, and check Forgeworld for the designs.

But remember you can paint them however you please; the Steel Legion long coat is yellow due to Armageddons terrain(i assume) so make them however you like.

The Death Korps are much more similar to the Imperial German army in WWI, in appearance and combat style, as they use trench warfare. I never understood the whole cadians are like the USA thing, becuase the onlyy thing they have that looks like somthing the USA is the canteen, which isnt used by the US military anymore. Cadians have multiple referances from different armys, such as the Werhmacht, soviets, a bunch of others and they also, as much as i dont like to really use this comparison, take similarities with sci-fi soldiers.

I've always thought cadians are canadian (isnt cadia heavily forested and wot not? Plus in the world wars the Canadians were very well known for their Shock Troopers)

but then again, modern canadian military is pretty much similar to other modern army so I guess its moot point

Also this is probably going a bit off topic but I've always found kinda funny that Death Korps are older than Steel Legion by going along the old imperial guard codex

Go CAnaDIANS!

Regarding Cadians, there is also Acadians, the French Canadians.

Yeah, we kicked them out.

...And then they came back.

Lord Castellan wrote:...And then they came back.

Indeed, je me souviens seeing their number plates last time I was out there.

More like they just hid at the right time.

I was interested to see that many ended up in Louisiana where they continue to call themselves Acadians or just Cadians. The name Cadian or Cadien later changed its spelling to Cajun which is still well known today.

Wouldn't this '7 years war tricorne hat and longcoat' also prussians/germans?

KOS wrote:Steel Legion are luftwaffe paratroopers, not WW1 trench warfare. The ones you are talking about are Death Korps of Krieg regiments.

Valhallans on WW2 Soviets.

Cadians on USA

Catachans mainly on Rambo

Mordians, I have always thought about Prussians or anyway European armies of the late 19th century.

Vostroyans, Russian cossacks 19th century ?

These are quite close to what is actually true. Do not agree with the Cadians thing. That just applies to any modern army or sci-fi military force.

/end discussion

for the love of all that is plastic, call them Fallschirmjagers, not Luftwaffe Paratroopers. that just sounds so stupid!

But thats the same thing!

Although technically halfway through the war they did stop being paratroopers