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Ordered three Reapers as soon as I saw them.

Bloody useful in the game as well.

Did my brithday come early? My Dark Eldar and Heresy era Space Marine armies thank Forgeworld!

I just picked up my forge world email and will have to get one of the DE Reapers - the sail alone is so much better than the standard on that comes with the DE vehicles - hope it comes out on its own!!!

As someone with plenty of 2nd Edition Devastators lying around, I can appreciate these HW, since they allow someone to expand their older SM force without having a lot of HW that look dissimilar.

However, if I were to expand my SM force, I would probably just go 100% with the newer Devastators, since they look better, in my opinion. Though the nostalgia does bring a tear to my eye...I keep one squad that is made up of entirely Rogue Trader SM, including the original Lascannon, Heavy Bolter, and fishhead Missile Launchers.

But that assumes I'll be spending money on GW. Which I won't.

I wish they'd sell them in sets containing 4 of each type of weapon.

The 2x of each Missile launcher, flamer and meltagun set would have been a better way to go too.

Still, I'll be picking up a set or two (or three or four) for my Pre-Heresy force.

Eventually!

So vs AV 11 the Reaper going to do absolutely nothing to a Chimera sitting in the open with no cover about 43% of the time. Kind of a design trap for them - you give it 3x 36" haywire blasters and nobody takes it because it's worse than a Ravager, and if you give the 3x Haywires better STR/AP nobody wants to use a Ravager any more.

Just to clarify for everyone - it's bad. New sail looks sweet though.

It might be useable if the range was longer. It would become effective at rear area harassment where your Scourges can't always go and you'd still have value in taking Ravagers for actual hard targets. Or, put some rules unique to it for Apoc games to make it more effective at screwing with titans and the like.

As it is, I'll get one just because it looks cool. Not that it will ever see play, mind you. Too bad there's no conversion kit. :(

Luving the marine heavy weapons, they're a great nod to RT and 2nd edition done with some real style and flare. They do look much cooler than the originals ever did.

Kirasu wrote:Those heavy weapons are pretty bad in terms of posing.. They look well sculpted enough but whats the other hand supposed to be doing? the old style marines atleast had the second hand stabilizing the weapon. They're running around with it strapped to a single shoulder? Seems pretty unbalancing

The current ones are much cooler imo and make a lot more sense. Another non-starter is that you gotta buy 1 of every weapon, what if you dont want that? They should be selling packs of 4 identical weapons cause obviously the old HW boxes with 1 of every weapon were an amazing idea? So they had to replicate that?

As far as the posing I think it's another nod to the earlier additions. I'm not super unpleased with them. As far as the identical weapons, I agree. There should be four of one certain type. Makes more sense as everyone had their favorite heavy weapon that they'd tend to overemploy. Maybe FW will figure it out - until then, Dakka Swap Shop.

Sidstyler wrote:I just want the sail, lol...

QFT. Excellent sail, would like to more varation on my vehicles, and this looks like the way to do it.

To me the big gun barrel poking out the front of an already long craft looks a little wierd. If they had devised some sort of side mount that started in the back 2/3s of the craft to have some sort of "bullpup" design probably would have worked better. They could have done one barrel along each side of the craft too. Ultimately I agree with whoever posted that the Ravager is pretty hard competition for the slot. I might purchase one just for gaks and giggles.

- MightyG

MikeMcSomething wrote:So vs AV 11 the Reaper going to do absolutely nothing to a Chimera sitting in the open with no cover about 43% of the time. Kind of a design trap for them - you give it 3x 36" haywire blasters and nobody takes it because it's worse than a Ravager, and if you give the 3x Haywires better STR/AP nobody wants to use a Ravager any more.

Just to clarify for everyone - it's bad. New sail looks sweet though.

Rule of cool?

Its a sweet looking model.

Not everyone who plays cares for effectiveness, redundancy, mathhammer etc.

Damn shame about those heavy weapons though.

I want em but I just plain ain't on the GW boat at the moment.

Alpharius wrote:I wish they'd sell them in sets containing 4 of each type of weapon.

The 2x of each Missile launcher, flamer and meltagun set would have been a better way to go too.

Still, I'll be picking up a set or two (or three or four) for my Pre-Heresy force.

Eventually!

Nevermind. I misread your post. . .

Man, I'm getting old.

Kirasu wrote:Those heavy weapons are pretty bad in terms of posing.. They look well sculpted enough but whats the other hand supposed to be doing? the old style marines atleast had the second hand stabilizing the weapon. They're running around with it strapped to a single shoulder? Seems pretty unbalancing

It is unbalanced. It's crazy, it's a little silly looking, and it's so very much a part of early 40K.

The 2nd edition-era heavy weapons that these are modelled off did not have the left hand stabilising the weapon. They were carried exactly as these ones are.

JOHIRA wrote:It's rare that I like something for the space marines, but I like these heavy weapons. They have a lot of character.

I like the basic lines of the Reaper (of course I do, it's based on the excellent Raider). The AEthersail is great. The housing for the prow gun is fine. I'm not feeling the prow gun itself though. It's a little too sleek-looking and crosses the line into looking plain. I don't expect esposed wires and tubes on Eldar stuff, but I'd like to see a little texture. The gun honestly looks like something I might convert myself, which is not a good thing.

Agreed, the dark eldar one looks like it has been rushed, definitely too plain.
The gun is too low on the body of the raider for my liking. Would have been better higher up for certain. The AEthersail is fantastic though, they have that 100% spot on.

I do wonder about the weighting of the reaper with the gun sitting as it is on the prow, makes me think there will be no way of getting the thing to sit level on it's flying stand without glueing it in?

I may find out tomorrow. Despite what the website says about them going out a week on Monday, apparently my order has already been shipped.

No idea if it's in error, as I rarely order from Forgeworld.

So the Reaper is worse and more points than a Ravager?

MagickalMemories wrote:The DE vehicle looks really cool, but I doubt I'll spend my money on it. Not too excited by the rules.

Eric

Yeah, the rules are weak. Not as good at anti vehicle as a DL Ravager and not as good at anti Infantry as a DC Ravager, but costs 30 points more than either one.

Dont forget the rules are only experimental.

Anyway, surely its better to be slightly over price than massively cheese/op, as most people seem to think all FW things are.

Love the heavy bolter, and the lascannon is pretty cool too.

However, it would be nice to see some "non-current" heavy weapons done in this style, such as an auto-cannon. Throw chaos players a bone, and allow for some custom loyalist units.

This is Heresy-era stuff is the easiest gig Forge World have ever had. Screw having to come up with new designs - just copy the old crap from 2nd/3rd edition and call it a day!

L. Wrex

That reaper may make a good base for Vect's personal pimp-ride.

Lycaeus Wrex wrote:This is Heresy-era stuff is the easiest gig Forge World have ever had. Screw having to come up with new designs - just copy the old crap from 2nd/3rd edition and call it a day!

L. Wrex

...and update it to today's standards of quality, in an easier-to-work-with material than the original metals, at a, in forgeworld terms, actually really decent pricepoint? Me likey still...
i have 30 FW PH marines i'm working on right now, along with some mk.IV dreads, an I'm loving it. It's not everyone's cup of tea, but theres a lot of people (like me) who'vebeen screaming for FW to do exactly, precisely, just this for years now.

Oh and no, it's not just a lazy 1:1 copy; compare, for example, the current mk.IV armor to the AOTA mk.IV armor; there's been a bit of a concept update as well.
Or the mk.II and mk.III, which now have packpacks which look like they actually belong or the comparable-yet-subtly different mk.IV and on backpack...
The idea was there already, but that goes for a lot of FW stuff; actually making it, and making it well, is their part. And they did that quite well here again

Mr. Burning wrote:Not everyone who plays cares for effectiveness, redundancy, mathhammer etc.

And good for them. But some people do, and I appreciate the info, personally. Not that I would ever use it as a "reaper" anyway.

Not everyone who plays cares about fluff or "rule of cool", either.

Vitruvian XVII wrote:
Anyway, surely its better to be slightly over price than massively cheese/op, as most people seem to think all FW things are.

I'd like to know who these people are, because I've never heard anyone make a blanket statement about all FW products saying they were all "overpowered". I've seen a lot of people try to put those words in other people's mouths (and those same people making blanket statements about all of GW's products), but never heard anyone actually say that.

But who cares about the truth when lies and exaggeration would better support the point we're trying to make?

Now what I have seen are people claim that FW products are unbalanced. And if the reaper is supposed to fill a similar role to the ravager, but performs much worse and at a higher point cost, then I'd say those people are probably right because that sounds pretty damn unbalanced to me. That's how balance works, nothing is supposed to be so obviously good that you take it over the other options every single time, or so obviously bad that you never use it.

Dark Eldar Reaper is ugly

The mast and the main cannon is so bland that it looks as bad as old armor cast resins.

I wouldn't call it ugly but there is something that looks "off" about it in my opinion. I do kinda like the sail though, if for no other reason than the added variety for my DE vehicles, but one bit is not worth $60.

DarknessEternal wrote:So the Reaper is worse and more points than a Ravager?

Yes to bouth counts.

Reaper will technically glance a little more over time and pen less, and fail to do anything at all on it's turn, literally, an order of magnitude more often than a Ravager.


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Mr. Burning wrote:

MikeMcSomething wrote:So vs AV 11 the Reaper going to do absolutely nothing to a Chimera sitting in the open with no cover about 43% of the time. Kind of a design trap for them - you give it 3x 36" haywire blasters and nobody takes it because it's worse than a Ravager, and if you give the 3x Haywires better STR/AP nobody wants to use a Ravager any more.

Just to clarify for everyone - it's bad. New sail looks sweet though.

Rule of cool?

Its a sweet looking model.

Not everyone who plays cares for effectiveness, redundancy, mathhammer etc.

Damn shame about those heavy weapons though.

I want em but I just plain ain't on the GW boat at the moment.

I have a hard time understanding the relevance of points like this. If you will buy a model when/if you:

a) have the money

and

b) think it's cool

while

c) not being concerned about whether it's got awesome rules or terrible ones

then we aren't going to really need any particular insights into your thought process. You don't need our permission to feel good about favoring style over rules substance.

Not so hot on the plasma cannon, though the others look nice, especially the lascannon.

You don't need our permission to feel good about favoring style over rules substance.

I think it's less about seeking permission and more about reinforcing his own views that "style > substance" is the "right" way to play the game.

Sorry i was just speaking from personal experience. Gets kinda old when you cant go anywhere with your elysian army to game because "its not fair" or something like that.

Granted, that was a couple of years ago, ive found a few places since then who are very cool and treat FW as official GW, as it is. So yeah, probably shouldnt have been so stereotypical!

I'm surprised at the reaction to the Reaper's effectiveness. I'm actually definitely considering it precisely due to its rules. It will allow me to effect high armour vehicles with much greater ease than Darklances.

Only a single shot, unfortunately, but three shots that glance on 2+ with the smaller chance to glance on a 6, is more useful to me than three dark lances firing at AV12-14 vehicles - since I'm just as happy to disable them as I am to destroy them.

And the blast shot will be great against tightly packed vehicles, and especially against squadrons - particularly when Immobilised results count as Wrecked.

The weapon design is actually in accordance to how Haywire Blasters are presented in the DE codex as well, so no problems there.

Sidstyler wrote:

You don't need our permission to feel good about favoring style over rules substance.

I think it's less about seeking permission and more about reinforcing his own views that "style > substance" is the "right" way to play the game.

That's a rather cynical viewpoint...

Those heavy weapons look great - when thinking of the posing remember that heavy weapons had suspensors in the rogue trader days (they helped them move around more easily and shoulder firing weapons)