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H.B.M.C. wrote:Really Aggy? 'Deserve playable units'? You're going to start up some generic Marine hate in a FW thread? FW generally makes unplayable units and mostly makes Guard units.

It's become obvious that FW has gottentheir marching orders from management.

"moar mahreenz"

It is hard to fault a company for... making stuff that sells well.

I really dont care for any of the marine HW options. The fact that they are just kinda holding one hand at their side looks like my 2nd edition ork models. Stiff and not very believable. Wont be buying those.

Mr Mystery wrote:And seriously, all that maths? Going a bit far in my book. But hey, whatever turns you on fella.

His reasons for disliking the model are just as valid as yours are for liking it. Personally I appreciate that he made the effort and posted that info for the rest of us, I thought it was useful information to have even if I didn't plan on buying the model anyway.

No one is giving you gak for buying the model (multiples of it at that), so I don't understand why you're being such a dick to a guy for, you know, thinking before making a purchase.

The idea of the hand at the side is that these guys are walking tanks so they stop and fire. They don't need to pose whilst doing this. A quick change out and the other arm can be firing a bolt pistol to fend off enemy that get too close.
Just ordered a set of these, particularly like the old round design of the plasma weapon.

Pose options for these guys includes a rest pose with weapon either pointing straight up or angled down with a pointing hand on the free arm or an auspex or picking nose, whatever, they're great.

Fluffwise might consider them to be for shorter engagements as they lack the extra power/ammunition that the modern heavy weapons have as they don't have modified powerpacks with extra power cells or ammunition bins.

Plus, y'know, the examples are all walking. I don't know if the people complaining about the arms are some kind of ubermensch but when i carry a heavy weight on my right shoulder my left arm looks about the same as those ones.

Anyway it's a moot point. They are seperate parts that have a variety of uses.
And with regards to the 'moar mehreenz' thing - for years people have wanted pre-heresy style bits. now you condemn them for releasing stuff that people want? Bah! What rotters they be.

That was quick, they arrived today, rear half of the weapons are a little off set but fixable, look forward to putting these together. I was tempted to have one with the left arm up giving the finger as a response to some of the comments here but I think I'll just give them bolt pistols or somesuch.

Dashofpepper wrote:Dark Eldar revised ravager with a crappy gun.

We get a bigger haywire blaster - something no one uses anyway.

Marines get a 36" moving invulnerable save carrying, terminator-toting assault vehicle that rams things to death and has melta cannons.

HRM.....

Agamemnon2 wrote:Too bad FW thinks only Space Marines deserve playable units. Or maybe their "designers" are just that damn stupid.

You both realize that FW designers just make what they want to right. They get an idea and say "Hey I wanna do this, I think it will sell and be cool to have" Look at their product line for the last 10 years, it's been 80% Marines and IG. Why cry about a situation that's existed for a decade at the least.

Also FW designers just like making marine stuff, they aren't beholden to GW's whims of balance or books. FW while owned by the same parent company and sharing the IP is not actually a full part of GW and does not follow GW's design or marketing philosophy. FW may occasionally work with GW to schedule products in order to maximize profit but if you look at it over the years they just release what they want, when they want, with whatever rules they think are cool and balance be dammed.

I now as I always do, applaud FW for doing what they think will bring them cash and doing it in a way that doesn't make me feel like they've raped my wallet.

Getting 1 of each heavy weapon is something I've grown accustomed to since the plastic devastator kit was released. You had to buy 4 of those just to make a solid devastator squad.

As for the left arms, bolters, pistols, ammo hoppers, meltabombs, grenades or the missile launcher left hand. So many options to fix a small bit of bad design.

I'm still waiting on pre heresy terminators from FW. I mean c'mon we've got mk 1-6, when are we getting terminators? I'm not whining just anxious is all. Maybe we'll get them with IA 11, I mean it's supposed to have space wolves in it isn't it. So a new termie armour isn't out of the question.

One Thing I have noticed about FW and the biggest thing I enjoy about them is that back when I first started visiting their page a mars pattern warhound titan was 235 great britan pounds. And y'know what, it's still 235 gbp. Regardless of GW's price hikes, regardless of inflation it's the same damn price and so is a myriad of their other items.

Keep up the good work FW I love the new heavy weapons, armor kits and vehicles. Just please hurry up and give us pre heresy terminators.

Why cry about a situation that's existed for a decade at the least.

Hell, imagine what the world would be like if everyone had that attitude, lol...

Don't be so melodramatic Sid. That's my job.

FW do mostly Guard stuff. They just did two Marine books in a row, so they're on a bit of a Marine bent. They did a bunch of Eldar stuff as well, and will probably do some more when the next book comes out (along with some more Guard stuff no doubt). And then they'll move onto something else.

It's hardly FW intentionally just doing Marine after Marine release like their big parent company.

You say that expecting people to believe it.

More marine stuff is fine by me, especially if it is Pre-Heresy stuff, and especially if it is Pre-Heresy Terminators.

And I suspect that they would sell quite well, which would lead to even more marine Pre-Heresy kits, which would make me happy, and cause the Marine Hatin' to reach new depths of awesomness - a win/win situation!