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I'm going to test both lists (Trukk Spam + Battlewagon Spam) tomorrow and see which one I prefer, After all I wanted this list to be fun as well as a winning one as Me and 3 Of My Friends are doing 1500 Lists for Tale Of 4 Gamers That We are Doing.

Didn't you have another thread somewhere? And wasn't it the same as this one? I been discussing in that one.

Anvildude wrote:Didn't you have another thread somewhere? And wasn't it the same as this one? I been discussing in that one.

He knows too much!

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:HQ:

Blaktoof 105
'Eavy Armour, Power Klaw, Cybork Body, Bosspole

Gitshoka 110
Kustom Force Field, Burna, 'Eavy Armour

Troops:

20 Boyz 154
Nob W/Power Klaw

20 Boyz 154
Nob W/Power Klaw

4 Nobz 304 (Blaktoof)
1 Power Klaw, 2 Big Choppas, Painboy, Waaagh! Banner, Stikkbomms Battlewagon, Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Grot Riggers 1 Big Shootas, Boarding Plank

Elites:

7 Burna Boyz 105

6 Lootas 90

6 Lootas 90


Heavy Support:

Battlewagon 130
Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Grot Riggers, 2 Big Shoota, Boarding Plank

Battlewagon 130
Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Grot Riggers, 2 Big Shoota, Boarding Plank

Battlewagon 130
Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Grot Riggers, Big Shoota Boarding Plank

1498/1500

The Warboss could use an Attack Squig and a Combi-Skorcha.

The KFF Mek should drop his upgrades, unless he's going in the 'wagon with the Burnas. In which case he needs a Bosspole.

The Nobz on the Boyz squads need Bosspoles. Every squad needs a Bosspole if it can take it. Failed Morale will ruin Orks. Even though their fearless in big squads, Orks will die. And when they're down to sizable numbers, you don't want them falling back because of a lost combat and getting swept in an advance. Take the 5-point insurance policy.

Drop Stikkbombs from everything. They're no good. Even with them on there, you'll be striking last in combat anyways.

All battlewagons need Armor Plates. Their only purpose is to deliver Boyz to battle, and ram things with their 'Rollaz. And they're really expensive. So, protect those investments by negating as much damage to them as you can. Armor Plates, Grot Riggers and 1x Big Shoota negates half the damage results they can sustain, and that's the best you can do for them. From there, add RPJ and Planks as needed. None of them need two Big Shootas.

Lootas are best in numbers that help mitigate their requirements to take morale tests. At 5, they don't need to take a test unless they lose two guys or more. This is the case for each squad size up until 9 Lootas, in which case your opponent needs to kill 3 of them before they force you to take a Morale test. Failed morale will kill more Lootas than enemy gunfire, so take the squads in sizes that help reduce those chances (5, 9 and 13 respectively).

Hope that helps man. I love me some Orks, and this is what I've learned by playing my Battlewagon lists.

I don't care what the internet says MSU squads of Lootas are full of fail and have no business in a Ork Mech List. Large units of Lootas in a foot slogging or a Kan Wall list they work out better.

Rokkit Buggies, Deff Koptas, and/or MSU War Bikers got the speed to move up with the rest of the army and perform the same roles more effectively.

General_Chaos wrote:I don't care what the internet says MSU squads of Lootas are full of fail and have no business in a Ork Mech List. Large units of Lootas in a foot slogging or a Kan Wall list they work out better.

Rokkit Buggies, Deff Koptas, and/or MSU War Bikers got the speed to move up with the rest of the army and perform the same roles more effectively.

Deff Koptas are definitely good, and I'd recommend using them.

However, I've had more success with MSU Lootas cracking transports than I ever did with Buggies. Buggies were more points, less consistent and weren't capable of inflicting the kind of damage that a D3 roll of 5/6 with Lootas can.

wtwlf123 wrote:However, I've had more success with MSU Lootas cracking transports than I ever did with Buggies. Buggies were more points, less consistent and weren't capable of inflicting the kind of damage that a D3 roll of 5/6 with Lootas can.

Lootas are extremely fragile to everything. One blast template or anything that kills two Lootas and your rolling on your 7 leadership. It's not hard to run them off the board. Buggies are immune to psychology

Lootas are extremely static they can't move and fire. It's not hard to hide from them using terrain or your own vehicles. Buggies are fast!

Lootas are one dimensional they can sit and shoot that's it. Buggies are screen units, block vehicles, contest objectives, and make great bait.

All that for only a 30 more points. Not bad IMO and if you do the math statistical for the most part they cause the same damage.

Lootas are Elites, one of the more hotly contested spots in the Ork codex. Buggies are Fast Attack, one of the least used slots in the Codex.

Anvildude wrote:Lootas are Elites, one of the more hotly contested spots in the Ork codex. Buggies are Fast Attack, one of the least used slots in the Codex.

Neither of those slots are very valuable or contested. Lootas are the good elites choice, and Deffkoptas are the good fast attack unit. Occasionally a Burna/Tankbusta squad is nice, Nobz are troops thanks to the Warboss, and there's not much else there. For Fast Attack, Stormboyz are weak and Buggies are only good in truck lists, where they're basically moving cover (like Kanz for footsloging lists).

General Chaos wrote:if you do the math statistical for the most part they cause the same damage.

I don't think this is right. At all.

105 points of Buggies:
3 TL S8 Shots
1.6 Hits
0.8 Penetrating Hits against AV11

105 Points of Lootas:
14 S7 Shots
4.6 Hits
1.5 Penetrating Hits against AV11

So, they're about twice as effective at popping Rhinos.

wtwlf123 wrote:
Neither of those slots are very valuable or contested.

Not valuable or contested??? Are you serious?? Thinking like this is why the internet think Orks are not competitive.... make me sad. Oh well its keeps people under estimating me and keeps me winning tournament money to build my third army. Please continue...

Dude, I play Orks. I love the Orks. But the strength is in Boyz & Wagons, backed up by Lootas and Koptas. With a death squad of Warboss + Nobz in some lists, with KFF meks. Orks are very good. If you're using the right stuff.

What I love is how, when I first came on Dakkadakka, Tankbustas were right down there with Flash Gitz and Pyrovores as one of the 'do not take unless facing nothing but Tyranids' units, but by now, the Bustas are starting to be looked at again as a legitimate anti-tank unit.

I think 'Bustas in a 'Wagon can be cool in some lists. They're cool as hell if nothing else. I like 'em a lot more than Burnaz, FWIW.

Here Is My New BW List So Far:

HQ:

Blaktoof 115
Mega Armour Cybork Body, Bosspole

Gitshoka 110
Kustom Force Field, Burna, 'Eavy Armour

Troops:

20 Boyz 159
Nob W/Power Klaw

20 Boyz 159
Nob W/Power Klaw, Bosspole

4 Meganobz 290 (Blaktoof)
Battlewagon, Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Armour Plates, 1 Big Shoota


Heavy Support:

Battlewagon 130
Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Armour Plates, Big Shoota,

Battlewagon 130
Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Armour Plates, Big Shoota,

Battlewagon 130
Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Armour Plates, Big Shoota,

1223/1500

I have 277 points left over and I still need a unit for my Battlewagon to go with the Big Mek in the middle, then I need some Anti Tank such as Deffkoptas as I've tried MSU Lootas and they are awful, I went against 2 SM players who had several rhinos and they were just too inconsistent

I will probably have to go with the Alpha Strike Koptas.

How does this list look so far and what would you reccomend for my Big Mek? I tried him with Burnas but the Burnas seemed to play quite poorly in the games I used them in.

I'd get Riggers for your 'Wagons. For only 5 points, you can get repeatable 50/50 shots at restoring an Immobilized 'Wagon. A non-moving 'Wagon is useless.

I like Koptas and Lootas for anti-transport shooting. But of you don't like Lootas, don't take 'em.

I'd take another Squad of 20 Boyz for the last 'Wagon, and add in a Pair of Koptas.

I think Regular Nobz are far better than Meganobz too... and you can save some points that way.

wtwlf123 wrote:I think Regular Nobz are far better than Meganobz too... and you can save some points that way.

5 Nobz ends up 40 points more expensive than MANZ when I make the squad a decent one including wound allocation tricks