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Sup Guys, I'm starting Orks as a new army over the summer and am looking to make a competitive mech list, I also need to think about what I am going to spend the remaining points on, all C&C Welcome.

Blaktoof 105
'Eavy Armour, Power Klaw, Cybork Body, Bosspole

Gitshoka 110
Kustom Force Field, Burna, 'Eavy Armour

Troops:

12 Boyz 157
Nob W/Power Klaw, Bosspole, Trukk, Red Paint Job

12 Boyz 157
Nob W/Power Klaw, Bosspole, Trukk, Red Paint Job

12 Boyz 157
Nob W/Power Klaw, Bosspole, Trukk, Red Paint Job

12 Boyz 157
Nob W/Power Klaw, Bosspole, Trukk, Red Paint Job

4 Nobz 300 (Blaktoof)
1 Power Klaw, 2 Big Choppas, Painboy, Waaagh! Banner, Battlewagon, Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Stikkbomm Chuckas, Grot Riggers 2 Big Shootas

Elites:

7 Burna Boyz 105

Heavy Support:

Burna Wagon 55
Skorcha, Red Paint Job


1303/1500

I would like to free up some points to take a squad of 12 Shoota Boyz/ Maybe Meganobz as Troops from the boss, swap the Nobz to Elites, after all, I don't want to be sitting on an obj with a Warboss

And Pop the squad of Boyz/Meganobz in a Kilkannon wagon and move forward Dropping Pie Plates as I go.

I could do this by dropping a squad of Trukk Boyz

Atm my List will line up like this:
[Dunno]-LW---DW
TR----TR----TR----TR

0.8886666...

In my experience, don't rely on Orks shooting, BS 2 is not good odds. I try to concontrate on blasts and template weapons.

If you are doing a mek army, you cannot have too many Deff Dreads and Killa Kans! There is nothing quite like the look on your opponents face when he's looking at 2 deff dreads & a couple of Killa Kans mobsand realises that 90% of his forces can't pen the armour!

With my Remaining Points Should I take a squad of Lootas in a Trukk or another form of Transport, this way my Trukk can move 6" and the lootas inside can spray Deffgun fire at a tank, All I really need in this list is a bit more Anti Tank and maybe beef out the Nobz squad a bit. The problem is with The Nobz squad I don't really want to beef them out too much and be spending 1/3 of my points on one unit that one lucky shot could kill the wagon and leave the guys footslogging it.

Talon1 wrote:If you are doing a mek army, you cannot have too many Deff Dreads and Killa Kans! There is nothing quite like the look on your opponents face when he's looking at 2 deff dreads & a couple of Killa Kans mobsand realises that 90% of his forces can't pen the armour!

Erm, WTF? Walkers do not go with Trukks because of speed issues and if anyone has built a proper list then at least 1/3 - 1/2 the weapons should penetrate Kanz, they are only armour 11 you know same as a Rhino.

List wise I'm not a fan of Trukks. They are too weak and the Orks inside are too small in numbers, which means over all your units will die quickly. You'll find the single Battlewagon will be singled out very quickly. Your best option is either go mass Trukks though target saturation might do something but don't expect the Orks to have much staying power, or better yet go full Battlewagons which carry more Orks and are stronger than Trukks. For fire support get Lootas and nothing else.

I'd keep lootas on foot if I was you. Several small units can hide in terrain and throw down a scary amount of anti-transport fire. Save the points you would spend on trucks to get more lootas! I'd also try and fill out your burna squad a little if you have the points.

I'd give the boss an attack squig too, an extra attack will never do you any harm.

I'd take some Lootas as they are perfect in the role to give cover fire.
They could open transports leaving the passengers in the open that could then be charged by your Boyz.
The more Lootas the better. For this, I'd drop those Burna Boys.

mercer wrote:

Talon1 wrote:If you are doing a mek army, you cannot have too many Deff Dreads and Killa Kans! There is nothing quite like the look on your opponents face when he's looking at 2 deff dreads & a couple of Killa Kans mobsand realises that 90% of his forces can't pen the armour!

List wise I'm not a fan of Trukks. They are too weak and the Orks inside are too small in numbers, which means over all your units will die quickly. You'll find the single Battlewagon will be singled out very quickly. Your best option is either go mass Trukks though target saturation might do something but don't expect the Orks to have much staying power, or better yet go full Battlewagons which carry more Orks and are stronger than Trukks. For fire support get Lootas and nothing else.

I know what you mean about the Trukks, they are weak but that's why I've got 4 of them which for the first turn I will keep close to the KFF Mek and I want to try an army where I have loads of units rather than 1 big unit of guys.

With the 200 Points I have left would you get 2 Squads of 6 Lootas or one big squad?

With the 200 Points I have left would you get 2 Squads of 6 Lootas or one big squad?

Two squads of 6 are better since they could take on 2 different targets.

Ok So Here's A New List After The Points Have Been Added:


Blaktoof 105
'Eavy Armour, Power Klaw, Cybork Body, Bosspole

Gitshoka 110
Kustom Force Field, Burna, 'Eavy Armour

Troops:

12 Boyz 157
Nob W/Power Klaw, Bosspole, Trukk, Red Paint Job

12 Boyz 157
Nob W/Power Klaw, Bosspole, Trukk, Red Paint Job

12 Boyz 157
Nob W/Power Klaw, Bosspole, Trukk, Red Paint Job

12 Boyz 157
Nob W/Power Klaw, Bosspole, Trukk, Red Paint Job

4 Nobz 300 (Blaktoof)
1 Power Klaw, 2 Big Choppas, Painboy, Waaagh! Banner, Battlewagon, Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Stikkbomm Chuckas, Grot Riggers 2 Big Shootas

Elites:

8 Burna Boyz 120

6 Lootas 90

6 Lootas 90

Heavy Support:

Burna Wagon 55
Skorcha, Red Paint Job


1498/1500


I'm still not sure whether to go with Wagon spam or Trukk spam seeing as The Nobz squad would be much easier to take down if in a Trukk but then I could have lots more of them.

Single Battlewagon will fail. If you're going to go all Trukks then go all Trukks.

mercer wrote:Single Battlewagon will fail. If you're going to go all Trukks then go all Trukks.

You said you preferred a BW List right? Do you have any sample lists because I will fail at making them

Battlewagons are very strong, and give you a way to pop transports outside of inconsistant lootas.

Your burna unit needs to be 15 strong, the unit gets significantly weaker.

Here is my 1850 list.


HQ
Ghazgull Thrakka - THE fething BOSS!!!
Big Mek with KFF, Power Klaw, Cybork Body, and 'eavy armor

Elites
15 Burna
7 Lootas

Troops
7 Nobs - 1 with Power Klaw and Waagh Banner, 1 with Power Klaw and Boss Pole, 1 with a Power Klaw, 1 with a Big Choppa and a Boss Pole, 1 with a Big Choppa, 1 with a Kombi Skorcha, 1 Painboy. All have cybork bodies and 'eavy armor
Dedicated Transport - Battlewagon with Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Armor Plates and a Big Shoota

20 Boys with shootas. 1 upgraded to nob with Boss Pole and Power Klaw.

12 Boys with Sluggas and Choppas. 1 upgraded to nob with Boss Pole and Power Klaw.
Dedicated Transport - Trukk with Red Paint Job and Reinforced Ram.

11 Gretchin and a runtherd

Fast Attack
Deffkoptas with Twin Linked Rokkits and a Buzzsaw

Heavy Support
Battlewagon with Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Armor Plates and a Big Shoota

Battlewagon with Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Armor Plates and a Big Shoota


My tactics are in my blog:
http://www.3forint.com/2011/06/40k-orks-battlewagon-rush.html

I prefer the Battlewagon list, yes, it's strong build than weak Trukks. You might prefer piss weak transports carrying load numbers of Orks

Warboss - power klaw, attack squig, bosspole & cybork body
Big Mek - kustom force field

10 x Burnas
9 x Lootas
9 x Lootas

20 x Boyz - Nob w/ power klaw & bosspole
20 x Boyz - Nob w/ power klaw & bosspole
7 x Nobz w/ Battlewagon - Painboy, 2 x power klaw, waaagh! banner, 3 x big choppas, kombi skorcha, 'eavy armour, choppa and slugga, all nobz w/ cybork body - Battlewagon - deffrolla, red paint job, armour plates & big shoota
15 x Gretchin - Runtherd w/ grotprod

Battlewagon - deffrolla, red paint job, armour plates & big shoota
Battlewagon - deffrolla, red paint job, armour plates & big shoota
Battlewagon - deffrolla, red paint job, armour plates & big shoota

Any points left go Deffkoptas with buzzsaws and twin-linked rokkits for alpha strike and outflank nastyness.

mercer wrote:I prefer the Battlewagon list, yes, it's strong build than weak Trukks. You might prefer piss weak transports carrying load numbers of Orks

Warboss - power klaw, attack squig, bosspole & cybork body
Big Mek - kustom force field

10 x Burnas
9 x Lootas
9 x Lootas

20 x Boyz - Nob w/ power klaw & bosspole
20 x Boyz - Nob w/ power klaw & bosspole
7 x Nobz w/ Battlewagon - Painboy, 2 x power klaw, waaagh! banner, 3 x big choppas, kombi skorcha, 'eavy armour, choppa and slugga, all nobz w/ cybork body - Battlewagon - deffrolla, red paint job, armour plates & big shoota
15 x Gretchin - Runtherd w/ grotprod

Battlewagon - deffrolla, red paint job, armour plates & big shoota
Battlewagon - deffrolla, red paint job, armour plates & big shoota
Battlewagon - deffrolla, red paint job, armour plates & big shoota

Any points left go Deffkoptas with buzzsaws and twin-linked rokkits for alpha strike and outflank nastyness.

That looks like a Pretty good list, I'd probably drop one boyz squad to 19 so the Big Mek can go in there.

I will write this list tonight and see which one I prefer

I like Trukks, they look cool on the tabletop and I like the fact that in my trukk list I haven't swamped loads of Boyz together so I have enough units to capture a variety of objectives, although they are pretty weak when on their own

Yes forgot to do that, doh!

Just PMed you a Trukk list. Boyz need to be swamped together btw or else you'll lose units quickly and don't have the numbers to survive assault. You will have to play Dark Eldar tactics with Ork Trukk list.

All in all I'm liking mercer's list, though if it was me I would drop the burnas for a couple alpha-strike koptas to help deal with armor and such

Mercer's list is a rock. solid. Wagon list.

With ONE exception...


Where are the boarding planks???? I think these are MANDATORY for wagons. 4 str 9 attacks is nothing to sneeze at if you 'roll something and dont get the wreck... or are lucky enough to have 2 vehicles next to each other... or want to wreck a walker but dont wanna risk the death or glory...

Buy the planks.

Trust me!

Here's a list I have made so far:

HQ:

Blaktoof 105
'Eavy Armour, Power Klaw, Cybork Body, Bosspole

Gitshoka 110
Kustom Force Field, Burna, 'Eavy Armour

Troops:

20 Boyz 154
Nob W/Power Klaw

20 Boyz 154
Nob W/Power Klaw

4 Nobz 305 (Blaktoof)
1 Power Klaw, 2 Big Choppas, Painboy, Waaagh! Banner, Battlewagon, Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Stikkbomm Chuckas, Grot Riggers 2 Big Shootas, Boarding Plank

Elites:

7 Burna Boyz 105

Heavy Support:

Battlewagon 140
Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Stikkbomm Chuckas, Grot Riggers 2 Big Shootas, Boarding Plank

Battlewagon 140
Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Stikkbomm Chuckas, Grot Riggers 2 Big Shootas, Boarding Plank

Battlewagon 140
Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Stikkbomm Chuckas, Grot Riggers 2 Big Shootas, Boarding Plank

1353/1500

I really want more units though, I sort of prefer the Trukk list but what do you guys think I should add to this list, I will give both lists a go with my Local GW staff member's models as he's going to let me try the lists before I buy them And I'll see which one works better and which one I enjoy more and base my decision on that

warboss_Russ! wrote:Mercer's list is a rock. solid. Wagon list.

With ONE exception...


Where are the boarding planks???? I think these are MANDATORY for wagons. 4 str 9 attacks is nothing to sneeze at if you 'roll something and dont get the wreck... or are lucky enough to have 2 vehicles next to each other... or want to wreck a walker but dont wanna risk the death or glory...

Buy the planks.

Trust me!

I thought I had missed something off, nice spotting, internet cookie for you!

Get some lootas? i always found them to be very useful.

recently I had a green tide 100 boys (nob PK) 20 lootas 20 stormboys big mek KFF vs a eldar list which was badly make, only 12" range with one unit of long range also lots CC units for an eldar list.

I tabled him on turn 3 funny as hell.

And my lootas did alot of the long ranged killing.

Lootas are always good 48" S7 AP6 is just too good to not have.

the whoel trukks vs BW issue does depend a lot on what sort fo tables you will be playing on.

for example: i recently played against my friends Ork army. we played 1200 on a 4x4 foot table. All he had was trukks and i got nailed because i coudln't brign them down int he first 2 turns of shooting. once one of the hits your lines and Boyz start flying out you need to shift your attention to getting rid of the cc threat.

So for small tables trukks might sevre you quite well, as you shift to larger battle i would switch to BW to ensure better survivability.

Lootas are potentially horrible for your opponent, especially if tyou can get them in some cover with decent sight lines.

I have only fought against Killa Kans once and foudnthat they low armour makes them quite easy to take out, but i guess if you sent ina couple of mobs to split fire then they coudl be quite effective.

Here Is A Battlewagon List I Have Been Putting Together Over The Past Few Hours :

HQ:

Blaktoof 105
'Eavy Armour, Power Klaw, Cybork Body, Bosspole

Gitshoka 110
Kustom Force Field, Burna, 'Eavy Armour

Troops:

20 Boyz 154
Nob W/Power Klaw

20 Boyz 154
Nob W/Power Klaw

4 Nobz 304 (Blaktoof)
1 Power Klaw, 2 Big Choppas, Painboy, Waaagh! Banner, Stikkbomms Battlewagon, Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Grot Riggers 1 Big Shootas, Boarding Plank

Elites:

7 Burna Boyz 105

6 Lootas 90

6 Lootas 90


Heavy Support:

Battlewagon 130
Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Grot Riggers, 2 Big Shoota, Boarding Plank

Battlewagon 130
Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Grot Riggers, 2 Big Shoota, Boarding Plank

Battlewagon 130
Deff Rolla, Red Paint Job, Grot Riggers, Big Shoota Boarding Plank

1498/1500

I'm not liking the squads of 5 Lootas either, I would like to get 7-8, how could I free up some points?

I would line up Like this:

BW------WW----MW------BW

LL-----------------------------LL

Any Tips?

Drop the stikk bombs from the Nobz maybe, or they just on the Battlewagon? Definately no point in stikk bombs on the Boyz Battlewagons. You don't need two big shootas either, only one. You could also drop the burna which is 20 points as well.

I've edited the list above and added the stuff you said, Will the list work now?

Should be ok

mercer wrote:Should be ok

ok

I like it, the onyl thig I'd change if finding a was to throw a generic nob or 2 just maybe a kombi flamer and plane jane nob for wound shenanagins / if somebody has to be hit by the powerfist sorry abotu that nob's luck

The thing I wanted Is, lots of squads of Boyz squishing the foe lol, but I agree with G00fysmiley, I think I need more Nobz in that squad because atm 4 isn't enough especially when they are in a wagon.

45 points ups it to 6 nobs and 6 is a good numeb rin a nob group. one has slugga choppa, one has combi skorcha/ reg choppa

to clear 45 points i think it'd drop 2 lootas downing em to 5 which i know tyoyou don't want but woudl want best use of points you ya then shave another 15 elsewhere