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And it's not a way to measure the skill of an opponent. He got a lucky strike after Magus hit him with a blast of energy. Not exactly a tell tale sign of a skilled combatant.

Space wolves.

Do not question the decision of Big E!

iproxtaco wrote:And it's not a way to measure the skill of an opponent. He got a lucky strike after Magus hit him with a blast of energy. Not exactly a tell tale sign of a skilled combatant.

Walking away from the fight completely uninjured while the opponent was dead is though.

It's ironic because during the Horus Heresy, Russ and his legion was one of the biggest jerks in canon (especially what happened with Prospero), but in the current setting, they actually make decent good guys. Comparatively of course.

Plus pg 27 of the space wolves codex bottom right hand corner, states that the only being to ever best Russ was the Big E, so ( the lion tied him, in that fight) Angron would have either tied him to or lost top Russ .

Grey elder wrote:Plus pg 27 of the space wolves codex bottom right hand corner, states that the only being to ever best Russ was the Big E, so ( the lion tied him, in that fight) Angron would have either tied him to or lost top Russ .

Or Angron just never fought Russ.

Since it was never confirmed he had.

I cannot really convey how crappy your logic really is. Even if the Emperor was the only being ever to best Russ, that does not mean others could not, only that Russ was never fought by such beings.

Space Wolves are more dangerous because of their tatic suse and rune use.

DarknessEternal wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:And it's not a way to measure the skill of an opponent. He got a lucky strike after Magus hit him with a blast of energy. Not exactly a tell tale sign of a skilled combatant.

Walking away from the fight completely uninjured while the opponent was dead is though.

Completely uninjured? Why would you think that? Russ was stabbed, his chest plate crushed, he was beaten and bloodied, his wolves certainly killed, compared to a slash on Magnus's eye and a broken arm. How did he win? Luck. That's no measure of skill.


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Grey elder wrote:Plus pg 27 of the space wolves codex bottom right hand corner, states that the only being to ever best Russ was the Big E, so ( the lion tied him, in that fight) Angron would have either tied him to or lost top Russ .

The Lion dominated Russ. He threw him through a table and then punched him unconscious. No luck involved, just strength.

DarknessEternal wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:And it's not a way to measure the skill of an opponent. He got a lucky strike after Magus hit him with a blast of energy. Not exactly a tell tale sign of a skilled combatant.

Walking away from the fight completely uninjured while the opponent was dead is though.

What? Russ got injured plenty and was on the verge of losing, until that lucky strike.
Looking through the book right now he: Burned his hair,cracked his breastplate with ceramite apparentlly piercing the skin, got a "blade of pure thought" pierced through his chest and struck out blindly as Magnus apparentlly hit him with some psychic attack which ended the bout

As for the topic, well Russ is a savage, but hes a cunning savage.
Angron is mindless, which was used against him on Isstavan, where they took advantage of the fact that the World Eaters only ever attacked head on without subtlety

It would come down to who was able to dictate the type of fight. Look at the duel between Curze and El'Jonson. Who was winning changed drastically when one primarch changed they style of the fight.

iproxtaco wrote:
The Lion dominated Russ. He threw him through a table and then punched him unconscious. No luck involved, just strength.

Oh please. They fought tooth and nail for at least a full day, and neither could get the upper hand. Then Russ realised the stupidity of their fight and stopped fighting. Then the Lion suckerpunched him when he wasn't looking due to laughing. Hardly "dominated" him.

Also, Russ is the only Primarch ever to have bested Horus. I think he could manage Angron.

Throwing him through a table and then punching him unconscious is a fairly dominating move to make.

Source for the second point though, never heard of Russ and Horus fighting, let alone Russ besting Horus, or even being the only one to be able of the feat.

You may want to work on your quoting, I'm still not sure if you're the one replying.

iproxtaco wrote:Throwing him through a table and then punching him unconscious is a fairly dominating move to make.

Source for the second point though, never heard of Russ and Horus fighting, let alone Russ besting Horus, or even being the only one to be able of the feat.

According to 1d4chan, Russ beat Horus in a duel.

But that's 4chan, even what is actually true there is without context and often exagerrated, not even counting the lies.

I also don't recall Horus being considered exceptionally powerful in personal combat (Relative to the other Primarchs of course), at least before he became the vessel for Chaos.

When Russ starts laughing about the fight and the Lion throws a sucker punch like a girl. That is dominating? I never knew that. And I never heard of Russ fighting Horus.

SwiftLord14 wrote:When Russ starts laughing about the fight and the Lion throws a sucker punch like a girl. That is dominating? I never knew that. And I never heard of Russ fighting Horus.

Knocked Russ out like he was a chump.

Lion's fist=Emperor with Power Fist.

A sucker punch which knocked him unconscious for a day after throwing him through a table is fair domination, I think you're in denial. Maybe domination is too strong a word to use. The Lion soundly bested him.

A sucker punch is a sucker punch. He got ticked off and hit him. I guess all the primarchs couldn't have been as laid back and cool as Russ.

So I'm correct in saying you're in denial?
Ever heard of Magnus and The Thousand Sons and that whole incident on Propsero? Yeah, Russ wasn't really that laid back.

Your profile picture makes it clear that you would support the space wolves

The lion beat russ fair and square, yes some other primarchs would be able to knock him out but Jhonson was just better than russ, Jhonson also beat curze aswell.

O I've read the books. Magnus just laid there a took it until the end. He almost got The Wolf King but I'd rather follow a lucky Sergeant then a skillful one. Magnus got beat again after that too. And he tried to come back AGAIN and got messed up AGAIN by Ragnar. I mean come on now. He can keep coming back but the Wolves will always be there to stomp his a**. And denial? Not so much brojangles. And Russ was ticked off because Magnus can't listen and do what ever he wants. DOUCHE


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And yes Moonshine i do support them hahaha

Right so Magnus trying to do the right thing makes him a Douche ?

Anyway Wolves are boring, both in 40k and the ones we have on earth today.

SwiftLord14 wrote:O I've read the books. Magnus just laid there a took it until the end. He almost got The Wolf King but I'd rather follow a lucky Sergeant then a skillful one. Magnus got beat again after that too. And he tried to come back AGAIN and got messed up AGAIN by Ragnar. I mean come on now. He can keep coming back but the Wolves will always be there to stomp his a**. And denial? Not so much brojangles. And Russ was ticked off because Magnus can't listen and do what ever he wants. DOUCHE

Russ was only supposed to bring Magnus in to the Emperor for questioning. Instead, he listened to the words of a traitor and almost wiped out a loyalist Legion.

Space Wolves have purpose, they are unrelenting and it is this which sets them ahead of the other legions when people say they are the "most dangerous" or whatever. It is the flaw within the World Eaters and their primarch, "angry ron" which makes them second best. The fact they loose their cool, whilst the wolves can create as much carnage but maintain their temper... making them "more dangerous" because they do it deliberately, the zerks can't help themselves.

Still, Angry Ron fro the win...

Who wasn't tricked by Horus? He did play into Russ' temper and did what he had to do. +1 to Horus. And when your Dad/Commander tells you to not do something you better not. That's what gave him the douche statues. That's how i feel though. And hey wolves we have are AWESOME!

Most Primarchs weren't tricked in the way Russ was.

iproxtaco wrote:Most Primarchs weren't tricked in the way Russ was.

Incorrect, nearly all of them were. Many even had similar consequences as well, like Night Haunter and Perturabo.

In Prospero Burns, it is clearly stated by the Wolves that having 'vast amounts of self-control allow us to be this dangerous'. Clearly this is written proof of who is most dangerous. World Eaters are dangerous, but predictable, where you know what's coming. With the Wolves, they'll come at you sideways and hit you at your weakest.

Also, take note that each Legion (SW and WE) are on the opposite sides, hence both Traitor and Loyalist forces have a crazy, kill a bunch of people force to be used. That's my two cents.

SwiftLord14 wrote:Who wasn't tricked by Horus? He did play into Russ' temper and did what he had to do. +1 to Horus. And when your Dad/Commander tells you to not do something you better not. That's what gave him the douche statues. That's how i feel though. And hey wolves we have are AWESOME!

In short this is what the dailouge was like :

The emporer: Russ bring Magnus to terra

Russ: Alright !

When in orbit above prospero

Horus: Do what the emporer didn't tell you too do and kill Magnus even thought this is totally contradictory to what the emporer said

Russ: Alright !

And that is how easily Horus tricked Russ and forced the Thousand sons into treachary. Oh and also can I add that the Space wolves would have had their Arses handed to them if the oblivion knights hadn't shown up !

And also, the wolves we have on earth are boring because everyone belives they are mystical beings with great understanding, can't you just understand they are the dogs relatives and live with it ?

I read Prospero burns and iI don't recall Horus talking to him at all. He thought that the skald was under Magnus' control. They didn't know it was horus until later on and blasted his arse.

No, you are just interpreting this in a way to try to make the space wolves look better in all of this. The space wolves did not help during the actual heresy, if anything it is there fault that the Emporer is on the golden throne. The space wolves went of and got caught up too far away from terra to do anything usefull.

I just realise that if you think about it the space wolves doomed the imperium !