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Yet some people will find that unacceptable and will field the modeles without saddles.

The look oft he thing is more important for some people than others.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Yet some people will find that unacceptable and will field the modeles without saddles.

The look oft he thing is more important for some people than others.

Apparently the price isn't as important for some people as it is for others, either. I doubt that many people will shell out 16 bucks for a single cold one when you can get four more (with saddles) for around 10 bucks extra.

But hell, if you want to pay 80 bucks for a unit of 5 cold ones (without saddles), not going to get any complaints from me

Mr Mystery wrote:Oh for feths sake.


Care to take a guess at how old the Lammasue Sculpt is? I was still in school when it was released, so I'd say around 1995, possibly as early as 1993. And you wonder why it looks a tad bland?

A tad bland









If only bland was all that was wrong
20 quid for old lump of tad bland is taking the peepee

nosferatu1001 wrote:Oh wait, mindless GW bashing...carry on.

lol, I beg your pardon but it's anything but, sir.

Oh well, mindless GW white-knighting, guess I should ignore it from now on.


Seriously, I like the cold one, but at almost $17 it's not worth it. Kinda like the Dark Eldar beasts it would cost a small fortune to field them in any significant amount.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

Mr Mystery wrote:Oh for feths sake.


Care to take a guess at how old the Lammasue Sculpt is? I was still in school when it was released, so I'd say around 1995, possibly as early as 1993. And you wonder why it looks a tad bland?

A tad bland









If only bland was all that was wrong
20 quid for old lump of tad bland is taking the peepee

I was meaning the comparissons to modern day sculpts. But don't let misinterpretation get in the way of a good dig now, will you? The price is the price, a totally seperate discussion. If you like the rules, and can't find an alternate model, then you can either pay the GW price, or go without. It's up to the individual. Me, I think I'll wait and see what the Forgeworld one is like first. IF it's priced similarly to the Carmine Dragon, then I'll go for that. If not, likely the Finecast one.

Still buying a Lammasu and a Great Taurus, and I'm glad to see they're not $45

Great Taurus is still pretty cool, but I get the feeling we'll be seeing the Forgeworld one afore long, and that's what I'm waiting for!

Tad bland. I do so appreciate good old British understatement

But there is no misunderstanding
It is not a good sculpt. Age is no defense for poor design.

GW used Heuy, Leuy, Deuy and Screwy to lean on Raging Heroes so they could re release a pile of plop without something of quality to show up their own product for the crap it is. They are fair game for ridicule.

Uh huh. So I assume you have all the facts concering that case? And there isn't an ounce of assumption in there at all? Fair enough.

And for it's day, the sculpt was just fine. And until a few weeks ago, it went for a pretty penny in the second hand market. Someone bought my friends one for £50 on ebay. But of course, now it's back in the range, so clearly nobodoy (i.e. yourself) could possibly want it.

In all honesty I don't think the ancient Lammasu and Great Taurus look any worse than the brand new Manticore.

Ah! The light keeps catching the white of his armour... I can't see!!! AHH!!!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Tad bland. I do so appreciate good old British understatement

But there is no misunderstanding
It is not a good sculpt. Age is no defense for poor design.

You're forgetting the tagline for these models:

"Same old sculpt. All new price!"

They do look pretty dippy... but yeah the Lammasu looked pretty dippy when I first saw it 18 bajillion years ago, when it was still 'new'.

And why not try Trolling someone else for a change?

A). I was replying to Chibi.

B). You're 100% correct when you say that comparing models now to models then is often a bad thing to do, because the method of making models has advanced as has the technology that changes exactly how much detail you can have. Where you're a bit off is just using that as a catch-all excuse for why something is allowed to be bad. "It's old" isn't a get-out-of-making-a-good-looking-model free card.

Yes, most old models will look like crap compared to ones made nower days. There are exceptions to this (the Phoenix Lords are good examples of that), and there are obviously new models that are awful (like the plastic Minotaurs). But even the plasitc Minotaurs are far more advanced than, say, the original Beakie Marines.

So in a round about way, what I'm saying Mystery is that jumping into defend these models is silly if you haven't got complete reasoning behind it. "They're old!" doesn't quite cover it. There are old models that are fantastic and there are new models that are terrible.

These models aren't bad because they're old, they're bad because they're bad. That was the point I was making. The Lammasu looked silly and the Taurus kinda dumb when I first saw them when they were originally released. It's not that releasing them now highlights how bad they are (because most of the Storm of Magic monsters are terrible), it's that they were always bad... and now they're Finecast and cost more.

But I said nothing about the price, purely the 'ZMG ALMOST 20 YRZ OLD!' thing. Of course it looks outdated, because it is.

The price thing was Chibi reading between the lines. Again. And seeing nothing so just making it up. Again.

I didn't say you said anything about the price. Chibi didn't say you did either. He mentioned the price of his own accord, yes, but he didn't throw straw at you.

In fact, all Chibi did say is exactly what I said:

"It is not a good sculpt. Age is no defense for poor design."


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DasFluspferd wrote:$16.50 for a cold one............................ what on earth

Could be worse. You could be paying $28 for it.

So I am always making things up now?

I raised the issue of price because it is yet more humour from Nottingham. What am I making up?
imho it ain't worth a fiver.
It still looks like Taz has been bovinised
GW leant on Raging Heroes and got some classy competition closed down.
The sculpt doesn't look dated, it looks crap.
Where am I reading between the lines?

Difference twixt us is that I wiill praise GW and give credit where it is due, and criticise when they play the plonker.

You are defending GW. Again. Inevitably. Pathalogically.

ZMG THE PARTHENON IS 2500 YRZ OLD
of course the sculpture is rubbish, it's soooo old.

Except I'm not. At all.

I point out that the sculpt is knocking on for 20 years old, so of course it looks dated. That was it up to that point. You then linked it to the price, suggesting that despite not mentioning it at all, I was somehow defending it.

Following your post, I then illustrated that the price is the price. If you have a different source, and prefer it, then by all means go for it. I even stated that I'm awaiting the Warhammer Forge version, which is pretty much inevitable at that stage.

So where exactly have I 'defended' GW? Please, point me to it.

Uugh! You know when you read something too quickly and see something that isn't there? Yeah, just got the GW newsletter about the new pre-orders (new fancy coloured dice and a the other things), and it says "Advanced order! More storm of magic products...".

I read it as "Order more!"

Silly me!

Vomot - cold one is fine but as mentioned v expensive for what it is.

No

I mentioned the price in jest cos it is a joke
The age of the sculpt was raised by you
You said it was a tad bland, which I also found amusing.

That was all, but your GW dig alert warning bells started ringing and you felt obliged to defend all things Citadel by making comments about me.

It is already a pointless sidetracking of the thread.
You are entitled to buy Tazamassu for whatever you want to pay. Just as much as I am entitled to roll around the floor laughing at it's ever so slight blandness.

Well, I gotta admit, I'm not surprised that GW is charging a pretty high price for an old, old model that simply doesn't cut it alongside the excellent multipart plastic monsters they tend to produce these days. The Chimera is only about £4 more but looks a ton better. Possibly somewhat subjective on my part, I suppose...

And, of course, it's Finecast. Which instantly worries me, having seen some of the models that are released.

The Albion models are nice to see again. I own them all from when the Campaign ran, and am quite happy with my nice, solid metal models, but they've aged quite gracefully and look pretty good. Of course, again, I'd not buy them new - I'm avoiding Finecast until they've actually been perfected to a similar standard as the metal models they're meant to replace - but at least they look decent for the price. Which is still too high but, hey, someone has to pay for Friday. Friday is Hookers and Coke Day at Warhammer World.

Gotta get down on Friday?

Oh, sure, pollute the post with an association with that...song. My poor hookers and coke will be all upset now. Jervis will be getting no love next Friday. They might even have to change it to Thursday.

That last THING is THE UGLIEST PIECE OF GAK I HAVE EVER SEEN. every model should individually be assembled then hit with a hammer.

I'll just leave this here

About 30 seconds with photoshop and even I am not sure which one is the original

Silver wins the thread

I would sway towards Mystery's argument a little in that the Taurus and Lammasu didn't seem so bad when they were released about twenty years ago. Still, the latter has aged badly and aside from a somewhat desperate attempt to make some cash from veterans, I don't really get why they are releasing them now.

As an aside, the Lammasu was a very similar sculpt to GW's original Manticore.

Akoona-ma-ta-ta!

Flashman wrote:I would sway towards Mystery's argument a little in that the Taurus and Lammasu didn't seem so bad when they were released about twenty years ago. Still, the latter has aged badly and aside from a somewhat desperate attempt to make some cash from veterans, I don't really get why they are releasing them now.

'Cept that's not his argument. Grotsnik's argument is that they shouldn't be criticised at all because they are old. He is of the belief that just because they are old sculpts that they are somehow immune from criticism.

And I'd argue that the Lammasu looked pants when it first game out, and that the Taurus - at least compared to numerous things of the time - such as the Griffon or even the Green Dragon - was pretty lacklustre and dull in comparison.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Kirasu wrote:I gotta wonder what executive thought that releasing a SINGLE cold one for 20 dollars was a good idea? Over ANY current metal model languishing on a shelf that is actually usable. Just buy a boxset of DE knights or lizardmen knights if you want cold ones THAT badly

Cold ones witrh saddles dont look right when youve supposedly summoned and bound them as WILD ANIMALS.

Oh wait, mindless GW bashing...carry on.

You serious? Its mindless bashing to have issues with a riderless coldone that costs almost 20$ each? If you are so incensed by having saddles then by all means spend 200$ for a 100pt unit that wont even do anything...

I'm no expert on the GW release timeline and what came out when, but I think at the time the Lammasu first came out a large % of GW sculpts looked like total gak. The old Space Marines looked gak. The old Tyranids looked gakker than gak. And so on.

That said, I actually kind of like the Lammasu. It looks cartoony and completely out of place amongst 99% of GW's present day's miniatures, but I still like it

I like the Fennbeast as well. Too bad this stuff is Crapcast though.