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I'd love to have one.....a model not a predator

Kilkrazy wrote:Even if it is Machiko out of the original Predator vs Alien, it seems unlikely she would wander around a hunt/battlezone wearing little more than a G string for protection.

Hey, you make that sound like a bad thing! A man can dream...

Padre^.

Is the sculpt still work in progress?
He may not have added all the details yet

Kilkrazy wrote:According to the Predator books they are, and also are larger and physically tougher than the males.

The problem is that there is not a single Predator universe, but lots of different takes on the setting itself. This is why female Predators do look different in the comics than they do in the novels.

Kilkrazy wrote:Even if it is Machiko out of the original Predator vs Alien, it seems unlikely she would wander around a hunt/battlezone wearing little more than a G string for protection.

Why not? Pred males do it, too. Technically, there's not even a single good reason why the breasts should be covered just because our own culture thinks women have to dress differently than men (which is a way more sexist concept, come to think of it). Look at how native tribes in Africa or the jungles of South America dress (which is pretty similar to Predators in general!).

Though Machiko is one female usually depicted with slightly more armour, which is why I continue to believe that it's supposed to be a "real" Predator female. Personally, I think the amount of armour a Predator owns is an indication of social standing.

Nope! I cannot see any Preda attributes there, for all I can see this could be just a woman with a mask.

Um, I really don't think this model is wearing a bikini because of some carefully thought out fluff reasons. I think it's because the sculpter likes making smexy wimmins. His blog provides much support for this theory.

Oh, lest anyone think I'm criticising, his work is gorgeous. A little too sexualised in some cases for my tastes, I prefer my female warriors to look more like actual warriors, but there's some lovely stuff on there.

htj wrote:Um, I really don't think this model is wearing a bikini because of some carefully thought out fluff reasons. I think it's because the sculpter likes making smexy wimmins. His blog provides much support for this theory.

Not disputing that! What I'm saying is he chose to make a female Predator because they're already dressed sexy by default and it's a bit weird to criticize a model for following an official style.

I'm well aware of the "female armour" cliché, but it's a bit hypocritical here when one is absolutely fine with the male Preds from the movies. >_>

Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar. And sometimes a race of tribal warriors simply runs around half-naked.

Ah, I see what you mean Lynata. Fair play.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I agree that it's fanservice, but fanservice is okay as long as it doesn't distort the original image but rather is just another aspect of the concept.

People haven't been complaining about Slave Leia either, after all.

I think it is somewhat naive to suppose that 21st century wargame players view models like this without reference to their own cultural background. We are not social anthropologists.

If a female Predator sculpt has G-string armour and large mammaries, it is not because of an in-depth examination of female warrior culture from hot climate countries, it's fanservice.

I'm a bit disappointed personally because I think an interesting, truly alien female Predator could have been done very well by the same sculptor.

I think he has just sculpted her during her "pregame" warm-up. Once she's ready to go, then she'll put the gear on.

Good man to think about "what would a Predator look like during warm-up" greens.

Kilkrazy wrote:I think it is somewhat naive to suppose that 21st century wargame players view models like this without reference to their own cultural background. We are not social anthropologists.

Of course not! In fact, it's quite understandable. But at the same time I think it's also a bit sad when there is a perceived need to alterate such designs because they're of a different gender. It's a matter of double standards: When half-naked male Predators are okay but female ones get criticized simply for being in line with this style, something seems weird.

I think it's wrong to make females wear less than males to make them look more sexy.
At the same time, however, it is just as wrong to make females wear more than males just to make them look less sexy.

I just don't think Predator society works like that. And in a way, it makes one think bad of mankind when we're stuck with such issues, as it just means we still have a long way to go in terms of gender equality. But millennia of tradition are simply hard to dismiss, especially when things like "demure" clothing have also been regulated and enforced by major religions.

They've always got huge bazungas, though. I would prefer the model if it looked more athletic and less swimsuit model. If you're that well endowed you're probably going to want a sports bra rather than a bikini top when you're running around jungles.

I'm not arguing for female predators to be made to look less sexy by covering them up because they are a different gender.

I am arguing that the view of Predator society presented in the novels (not the comics, which are of course subject to fanservice) is not reflected in the presentation of the figure.

Secondly, that there are so many "sexy aliens" in SF already, the last thing we need is another one regardless of however the males of that species are presented. Let's have a bit of originality.

I think it's wrong to make females wear less than males to make them look more sexy.
At the same time, however, it is just as wrong to make females wear more than males just to make them look less sexy.

Question of relevancy

A Barbarian male wears next to nowt so a scantily clad female Barbarian would be silly to cover up.
A scantily clad female knight/paladin type is equally silly imho.

Fan service doesn't do a lot for me, so I don't see the point of bareflesh on the battlefied when a male equivalent would be armour clad.

The sculptor of this green has really got a good feel for the female form and some of the musculature looks good from the photo.
Of course another subject could have allowed a display of such skills, rather than a well known franchise which will get fans hopping if there is a deviation from the norm.

htj wrote:They've always got huge bazungas, though. I would prefer the model if it looked more athletic and less swimsuit model. If you're that well endowed you're probably going to want a sports bra rather than a bikini top when you're running around jungles.

Point taken.

Though I think the HUEG boobs make them look more "bestial" and, for a strange reason, more intimidating (at least in this case), though I think this is also because of the apparently very "hard" shape and the "sickly" colours with the veins etc. It feels as if they'd be in perfect harmony with the muscle package. Overgrown man-boobs, so to say.

I would also dislike it would they look more soft and "human" or like those ridiculous sacks certain models/actresses/etc are sporting these days.

Of course, all of this involves a lot of personal preferences. Though this sounds a bit wrong and fairly heretical concerning the topic now.

Kilkrazy wrote:I'm not arguing for female predators to be made to look less sexy by covering them up because they are a different gender. I am arguing that the view of Predator society presented in the novels (not the comics, which are of course subject to fanservice) is not reflected in the presentation of the figure.

Did they ever describe what a female Predator wears in the novels? And when the comics are fanservice for the males, then so are the movies fanservice for the females. As chibi said - and I agree wholeheartedly with his post - it's all a question of relevancy.
If the novels really invented fully-dressed Predators, I'd say they simply failed to catch the style of the original movies that started the franchise.



Also, aren't the novels actually based on the comics?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predator_%28alien%29#Expanded_universe

Lynata wrote:

htj wrote:They've always got huge bazungas, though. I would prefer the model if it looked more athletic and less swimsuit model. If you're that well endowed you're probably going to want a sports bra rather than a bikini top when you're running around jungles.

Point taken.

Though I think the HUEG boobs make them look more "bestial" and, for a strange reason, more intimidating (at least in this case), though I think this is also because of the apparently very "hard" shape and the "sickly" colours with the veins etc. It feels as if they'd be in perfect harmony with the muscle package. Overgrown man-boobs, so to say.

I would also dislike it would they look more soft and "human" or like those ridiculous sacks certain models/actresses/etc are sporting these days.

Of course, all of this involves a lot of personal preferences. Though this sounds a bit wrong and fairly heretical concerning the topic now.

Hmm, maybe. I can see where you're coming from. It does kind of lump them in as space mammals though.

Speaking of which, at least I'm more down with this than 4E D&D Dragonborn females having breasts. What are they, lizards or mammals? Come on!

htj wrote:Speaking of which, at least I'm more down with this than 4E D&D Dragonborn females having breasts. What are they, lizards or mammals? Come on!

There I agree 100%!

Nice sculpt, but I couldn't keep from thinking of reapers amazon chick.

Lynata wrote:

htj wrote:Speaking of which, at least I'm more down with this than 4E D&D Dragonborn females having breasts. What are they, lizards or mammals? Come on!

There I agree 100%!

I'll think you'll find that depends on the setting. I can think of a few that Dragons are neither, but their own wierd/wonderful species that ignore the traits of those two. Also I have seen Dragons where they can take a Humanoid form, and concieve in that form, and have warforms that are crossed between the two, for those moments when being a Thirty to fifty foot Dragon would be an actual disadvantage.


As to the figure it looks alright, but I am hoping that is a WIP pic, otherwise, well there isn't much to it. Most Predators tend to be adorned in some kind of 'swag' trophies from their kills and lifetime. It's a bit dull at the moment if I'm honest.

Swara wrote:Nice sculpt, but I couldn't keep from thinking of reapers amazon chick.

Glad I wasn't the only one that saw that.

It's a good sculpt, but a little meh.

All this is is a Pin Up sculpt. See one, you've seen another, It has nothing to do with fighting anything but being in cloths.


Only problem here I see is that some of you don't see it for what it is.



Betty Page is Betty Page, if you put her in a predator mask, or a G String.


You guys keep on though.... LMAO


Put me down for 1, I like it.

Am still assuming that it is WIP, Morathi.
The mask doesn't have the mandible bits

Can't find it on the links other than the forum that the picture was taken from either.
That could just be my usual search ineptitude

I'm reminded of what PZ Myers terms the "Kirk Effect" (to boldly go and explore strange new worlds, and to hump all the women on them) in science fiction, and this (purported) quote from James Cameron...



Valete,

JohnS

Sex sells.

Lynata wrote:then so are the movies fanservice for the females

You seem to have missed the homosexual subtext of Predator.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Lynata wrote:then so are the movies fanservice for the females

You seem to have missed the homosexual subtext of Predator.

So the sexual sub-text of Alien vs Predator is...

I'm confused.
(Have led a very sheltered life)

Kilkrazy wrote:You seem to have missed the homosexual subtext of Predator.

I'd say this only increases the appeal.

If you would replace the Predator and Arnold with female versions, you'd end up with the same homosexual subtext, this time only being aimed at men. You'd even have a cliché mudfight.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:
So the sexual sub-text of Alien vs Predator is...

people are just willfully forgetting that the predator is scantily clad to begin with (but thats okay because he has rippling muscles, you know, like wrestling!)

You seem to have missed the homosexual subtext of Predator.

I'm going to need you to explain this one. t's not that I don't believe just that I didn't didn't really get the same impression.

4M2A wrote:I'm going to need you to explain this one. t's not that I don't believe just that I didn't didn't really get the same impression.

I'm going to assume it's directed at the struggle between two half-naked, sweat-covered muscular men. Depending on one's personal interpretation, this could be seen as something appealing to homosexual men. Also looking at ancient Greek warrior brotherhood etc ...

Of course, it is just as appealing to heterosexual women, as exemplified by Roman women visiting the arenas ... or (for the other side) the very reason that lots of men like to watch mud wrestling and stuff.