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Reecius wrote:Rant off. Our public education system needs to level up or something.

DING!



You new are being taught Creationalism.

WarOne wrote:You new are being taught Creationalism.

What? I do not understand what you are saying here.

albinoork wrote:some tell tall tales of fun grot shtick
others write in language cryptic
statistics abound
results unfound
replies should appear in Limerick

Nice follow-up

I also appreciate the "rift in the cosmos" line from the OP

I know what a Limerick is... But I'm not able to make one
...

Steelmage99 wrote:

RatBot wrote:

albinoork wrote:

olympia wrote:I was at a tournament in Ireland this past weekend at the University of Limerick. An eldar player using a seer council had this happen...five bolter shots killed five fortuned jetbikes in a row. The eldar player, who is quite good with numbers, reckons that the odds of this happening are 1 in 411,501,495. So if you ever think your luck has run out on you remember the poor Eldar seer council and the five bolter shots.

There once was a seer council in play
Causing destruction in many a way
One shot to each head
Left five faires dead
The dice gods said "nope, not today"

*slowly stands up and starts clapping*

*stands up and joins the slow-clap*

*jumps up and turns the slow-clap into monstrous applause*

@war one
hahaha, I welcome our new creationalized masters!

@looks infected
Rolling multiple dice together or on a surface that causes them to bounce around will alter the number that pops up as opposed to rolling them one at a time. Pips, air bubbles, rounded edges, etc. Will alter the numbers as well. However, each die can only give a result between one and six. They will still give you the same set of possible le numbers as if you rolled them individually. Unless the imperfections in the dice or the surface rolled on causes all or a majority off them to favor a certain number (highly unlikely unless done intentionally) the results will still be equally distributed between 1 and 6.

Knowing probabilities, as has been said many times, doesn't alter reality. No one claims it does if they understand what they're talking about. It gives you knowledge of what is LIKELY to occur and allows you to make plans based on that knowledge. Believing in "luck" is simply hoping for favorable outcomes while remaining ignorant of the actual chances of X result occuring. It's like rubbing a lucky rabbit's foot, rolling well and then saying the rabbit's foot actually caused the good result. It's superstition and ignorance of what is actually occurring.

Anyway, my point is that math is a tool to understand this game, and the world around you better. Saying probability is "proven" wrong an extremely improbable event occurs when mathhammer tells us it is extremely unlikely to occur is extremely ignorant. That shows us the accuracy of mathhammer, not the opposite.

Just wanted to throw this out there (since it was already brought up), there is nothing wrong, from a scientific standpoint, with creationism. Most everything perpetuated by evolution has been proven wrong, just a lot of misinformation and assumptions out there (assuming you were poking fun at one world view in light of another).

If you want a clear case of misinformation look up the Scopes trial and see what really happened... Evolution did not win.

But anyway, in regards to luck and statistics, I think that certain results are bound to happen for anyone but what really makes me scratch my head is how one person can routinely have certain results come up on dice. Like really, I have rolled a 1 on the same dice, rolling it fervently, 6 times in a row among other statistically improbable results but oh well.

I think the funny thing is how, every result is pretty neutral in an of itself, it's just the context of where in the game the roll/result is made that gives it the meaning that we give it.

Don't apoligize it's my fault for not having correct grammar especially at 4 in the morning lol

But for a quick run down

Luck is a superstition, while a favorable outcome is backed by evidence hence mathhammer

And my blob of text there is saying that possible friction during the course of the roll, and/or air bubbles created in the dice affect the roll

But do not affect the 1/6 ratio of one of numbers that die is going to land on

Changing the ratio would be impossible for dice (at least we use) are only 6 sided

So yes it is plausible for the dice to bump into one another and change the course of action , but it does affect the chance of how many "x" numbers appear

@mortervie
I wasn't trying to imply anything about what is or is not a correct worldview. I was just running with the joke that was put forth. No offense intended.

@looks infected
Yeah, exactly. You have it. The thing that gets me is when people try to distinguish between luck and probability. They are the same thing. I feel that a lack of knowledge is the cause. It is a per peeve of mine when gamers make those statements.

I know what a limerick is,
A poem with particular fizz.
My low English stat
Makes me very bad
At answering that kind of quiz.

The message is clear: The Emperor Protects.

mortetvie wrote:Just wanted to throw this out there (since it was already brought up), there is nothing wrong, from a scientific standpoint, with creationism. Most everything perpetuated by evolution has been proven wrong, just a lot of misinformation and assumptions out there (assuming you were poking fun at one world view in light of another).

If you want a clear case of misinformation look up the Scopes trial and see what really happened... Evolution did not win.

But anyway, in regards to luck and statistics, I think that certain results are bound to happen for anyone but what really makes me scratch my head is how one person can routinely have certain results come up on dice. Like really, I have rolled a 1 on the same dice, rolling it fervently, 6 times in a row among other statistically improbable results but oh well.

I think the funny thing is how, every result is pretty neutral in an of itself, it's just the context of where in the game the roll/result is made that gives it the meaning that we give it.

Actually, creationism in the form of intelligent design has been disproven.

Science has nothing to say about the existence of God.

However this is off topic so if people wish to continue the debate they should start a thread in the OT Forum.

Reecius wrote:Sigh.

Rant off. Our public education system needs to level up or something.

What gets me is people who look at probabilities and averages and take away the belief that if they roll several low scores they are soon to be guaranteed a high roll, like there's some cosmological constant that will even things up for you. It's the Gambler's fallacy, the belief that if you lose a lot, you have a greater chance of receiving a win next time. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that which is why some people end up living under a bridge drinking meths and wondering where their life savings went.

If anything a die that throws a lot of ones is more likely to be hinting that it has a bias towards rolling ones if it signifies anything at all. Regardless you still get people who think they can roll the bad luck out a die and save it for a special occasion.


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mortetvie wrote:Just wanted to throw this out there (since it was already brought up), there is nothing wrong, from a scientific standpoint, with creationism. Most everything perpetuated by evolution has been proven wrong, just a lot of misinformation and assumptions out there (assuming you were poking fun at one world view in light of another).

There's quite a lot wrong with creationism from a scientific standpoint, it doesn't follow the scientific principle of using facts and demonstrable evidence on which to base its argument. I don't understand how you can claim that "most everything perpetuated by evolution has been proven wrong", that's just rubbish. I can only assume you are either wilfully trying to misrepresent them or simply don't grasp what creationism, science and evolution really are.

A lot of people seem to misunderstand the difference between probability and statistics.

Probability is the mathematics of predicting the chance of some event happening in the future.

Statistics is the mathematics of deriving information from past events.

The odds... what are the chances... never mind its in the first author post

htj wrote:

WarOne wrote:You new are being taught Creationalism.

What? I do not understand what you are saying here.

pretty sure he is either utterly serious and considers being taught creationism over all other religious creation myths as a better alternative to the current model or he is being sarcastic and saying exactly the opposite. as in, "you wanted to level up, and this is what you get. funny huh?"

@reecius

I thought I explained correcty that math hammer is a supportive tool to mathematics

And that airbubbles, rounded edges etc does alter course of the dice but doesn't change the 1/6 ratio of the die

And that luck or any other superstion/ religious beliefs don't alter the chances of the dice

If I'm mistaken we are on the same page

I would presume we weren't at first I may be mistaken


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Oops read last post sry sleep depriton has gotten the best of me