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in the rules it says that you cannot assault from deep strike but nothing about assaulting from a pod so im assuming it is in the SW codex that you can still assault with a (venerable) dreadnought.

Guess what a Drop Pod is doing? Obviously you don't know the rules then, nor does your mate who plays Space Wolves.

well sorry for not having a mat ward dex then

and anyway I collect CSM, daemons and orks I don't own a marine codex so how am I supposed to know the rules (as i have been trying to say) for an army which i don't have a codex for eh?

happygolucky wrote:well sorry for not having a mat ward dex then

Nothing he's written allows assaulting out of a drop pod either.

happygolucky wrote:well sorry for not having a mat ward dex then

and anyway I collect CSM, daemons and orks I don't own a marine codex so how am I supposed to know the rules (as i have been trying to say) for an army which i don't have a codex for eh?

Not sure what Matt Ward has to do with anything, but ah well. I would personally stop throwing your toys about because you've been told you had the rules wrong, despite you arguing they was right. If you know the rules so much as you say then you'd know you cannot assault out of a drop pod.

Some how I know the rules for Daemons but I don't own the codex....you should know the rule for Drop Pod as you play against a Drop Pod army.

(sigh) you missed the point

the point was that so far all the new marine dex are made by ward

oh and I would like to apologise as it seems that i have confused my self between melta weaponry and assault (its the too close for comfort range, see) no less though mercer has challenged my rules knowledge so here is my first bat rep link and everything is done by the book here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/385573.page

anyway back on topic get wolf guard termies(give them the inequivalent to thunder hammers and storm shields) and stick em' in a redeemer that will probably work as well.

You haven't made a point at all. You're point is not that Matt Ward wrote new codexes but you're applying that he makes different rules to the norm, something totally different.

I am not challenging your rules knowledge at all. You've already proven you don't know the rules anyway. After all what kind of person argues about something they don't know about?

If you don't own the codex, and you don't know anything about the codex, that's normally a good indicator to stop trying to give advice.

happygolucky wrote:(sigh) you missed the point

the point was that so far all the new marine dex are made by ward

oh and I would like to apologise as it seems that i have confused my self between melta weaponry and assult (its the too close for comfort range, see) no less though mercer has challenged my rules knowledge so here is my first bat rep link and everything is done by the book here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/385573.page

anyway back on topic get wolf guard termies(give them the inequivalent to thunder hammers and storm shields) and stick em' in a redeemer that will probably work as well.

The SW codex wasn't written by Ward...
And TH+SS WolfGuard Terminators cost 13 points more than the standard which frankly isn't worth it overall...

mercer wrote:You haven't made a point at all. You're point is not that Matt Ward wrote new codexes but you're applying that he makes different rules to the norm, something totally different.

I am not challenging your rules knowledge at all. You've already proven you don't know the rules anyway. After all what kind of person argues about something they don't know about?

the point is that mat ward creates very hard to beat dexes and i only give my advice about marines to Ratwolf as i have another marine friend who usually puts 5 assault termies with chaplain in termie armour in a redeemer and i lose every game to it.

and i do know the rules as i go to the games of war tourneys and have never received a complaint form each opponent I have played against.

oh and unbeliever don't even try to talk behind my back (i see what you did there in the other thread still not very impressed ).

Matt Ward has made 1 hard to beat codex.
GK and SM are pretty balanced.

purplefood wrote:Matt Ward has made 1 hard to beat codex.
GK and SM are pretty balanced.

GK..balanced...

not for my army's there not.

back to topic though what else do you not see on the battlefield hmm....

devastators lots of devastators plasma cannons away.

I never said anything behind your back; in fact, I posted in that thread before you did.

My biggest peeve around here is people trying to give 'advice' when they clearly don't know what they're talking about. The last thing this site needs is more blind leading the blind.

happygolucky wrote:

mercer wrote:You haven't made a point at all. You're point is not that Matt Ward wrote new codexes but you're applying that he makes different rules to the norm, something totally different.

I am not challenging your rules knowledge at all. You've already proven you don't know the rules anyway. After all what kind of person argues about something they don't know about?

the point is that mat ward creates very hard to beat dexes and i only give my advice about marines to Ratwolf as i have another marine friend who usually puts 5 assault termies with chaplain in termie armour in a redeemer and i lose every game to it.

and i do know the rules as i go to the games of war tourneys and have never received a complaint form each opponent I have played against.

oh and unbeliever don't even try to talk behind my back (i see what you did there in the other thread still not very impressed ).

How can you give advice when you don't knwo the rules? You have proven you don't know the rules as you think a Dreadnought can assault from a Drop Pod. I rest my case.

Personally I run lists like this...(though some models need to be built still, ordering my wolf mounts next pay check)

Logan

Njal

Grey hunters, melta, razor back

wolf guard, drop pod
-mix of termies and power armor
-assault canon or cyclone missile launcher on termies (depending on strategy and opponent)
-split the wolf guard up into other units, add Logan

full grey hunters on foot (usually put Njal in here)

10 sky claws
-add a wolf guard dude in here

3x units of long fangs

10x fenrisian wolf riders
-mix of hand to hand weapons, wolf claws, TH/SH

scouts
-snipers, or heavy bolters, or spec weapons, depending on what I do with them

then here is my optional stuff I field

Land Raider
Predator
2x Dreadnaughts (one of them is Bjorn the Fell handed)
land speeder

Since wolf guard count as core w/ Logan, they can hold objectives. Long fangs sit in the back and go pew pew pew. Sky Claws flush out the enemy, we have a lot of multi level terrain in our gaming table, jump packs are very effective. Njal is hidden in a giant unit of Grey Hunters because he becomes a tar pit unit. He can help control other psykers (3+ nullify) and if he lasts the whole game his weather controlling ability can benefit the Wolves. The Fen Wolf Riders usually go up the middle or on a flank counter the skyclaws, think of a pincer tactic, and they are also a big target. No one wants them near for assault.

Logan and friends drop pod in while the pincer is taking place and hopefully cause confusion and damage, possibly take an objective or contest one. This is just a base army list as I do have other things to swap out. I can run a full Logan Wing too, since I got tons of 2nd edition metal termies from back in the day.

I'd like to pick up more tanks someday to do razor back spam, and land raider heavy support, but my current list I think is flexible. Against a shooting army I may drop the sky claws and add more shooting troops. I find that good numbers of marines with 3+ power armor can really take a whooping and survive.

My 500 point Loganwing...
Logan Grimnar

North pack
3 Terminator armoured Wolfguard
1xPaired Wolfclaws

South pack
3 Terminator armoured Wolfguard
1xPower fist

Should be right...
Fun list to play... never won with it but it's fun.

mercer wrote:

happygolucky wrote:

mercer wrote:You haven't made a point at all. You're point is not that Matt Ward wrote new codexes but you're applying that he makes different rules to the norm, something totally different.

I am not challenging your rules knowledge at all. You've already proven you don't know the rules anyway. After all what kind of person argues about something they don't know about?

the point is that mat ward creates very hard to beat dexes and i only give my advice about marines to Ratwolf as i have another marine friend who usually puts 5 assault termies with chaplain in termie armour in a redeemer and i lose every game to it.

and i do know the rules as i go to the games of war tourneys and have never received a complaint form each opponent I have played against.

oh and unbeliever don't even try to talk behind my back (i see what you did there in the other thread still not very impressed ).

How can you give advice when you don't knwo the rules? You have proven you don't know the rules as you think a Dreadnought can assault from a Drop Pod. I rest my case.

ok so you didnt read my apology post

multi-melta range 24" str 8 ap 1 he usually lands near my tanks fires it then the tank goes boom i have played him that many times i got confused between one time when he fired it and missed then on the seconed turn he moved an then assaulted the same tank that is where i got confused but since your both ignoring me and heeding your own judgement about me not knowing the rules i will bombard you with rules:(because what peeves me is when people make judgements about me when there not true)



deepstrike:

roll on the second turn to see if your designated unit will come on roll a dice on a 4+ it comes on anything under will delay the strike.

place one marker/model then roll 2d6 and a scatter dice if you roll a hit then the unit stays in position and then you make a circle around that guy you put down.

if you get a scatter result on the dice you must move that many inches (from the 2d6 you rolled) in the direction you rolled.

if you land in difficult/dangerous terrain you roll on the mishap table

1-2=unit dead
3-4=opponent places them anywhere
5-6=delayed for next turn

you may shoot but not assault.

and THAT is how deep strike works

Once you deep strike I think you can only move 2 inches from the landing zone, and not assault but shoot that turn. If I recall correctly.

Thanks for the deep strike rules happygolucky I am glad you know them. You still haven't worked out that you cannot assault from deep strike unless specified . No one is making judgement at all. You say you reckon the rules, we tell you you're wrong and you argue that you're right, when in fact you're wrong. Pretty simple really.

As for deep strike you cannot move at all, unless running, or disembarking from a vehicle, which then would be 2".

more rules:

plasma cannon range 36" str 7 ap 2 blast,gets hot

boltgun 24" str 4 ap 5 rapid fire

lascannon 48" str 9 ap 2 heavy 1

mercer wrote:Thanks for the deep strike rules happygolucky I am glad you know them. You still haven't worked out that you cannot assault from deep strike unless specified . No one is making judgement at all. You say you reckon the rules, we tell you you're wrong and you argue that you're right, when in fact you're wrong. Pretty simple really.

As for deep strike you cannot move at all, unless running, or disembarking from a vehicle, which then would be 2".

So in the case of a drop pod, the contained unit could disembark within 2" of it.

mercer wrote:Thanks for the deep strike rules happygolucky I am glad you know them. You still haven't worked out that you cannot assault from deep strike unless specified . No one is making judgement at all. You say you reckon the rules, we tell you you're wrong and you argue that you're right, when in fact you're wrong. Pretty simple really.

As for deep strike you cannot move at all, unless running, or disembarking from a vehicle, which then would be 2".

I HAVE BEEN POLICED!!!! (lol)

I know the rules and you are saying that I don't therefore you are making a judgement about me not knowing the rules

more rules:

furious charge= +1 str, +1 I

lance weaponry makes any armour rating 12 unless its already lower than 12 (eldar and dark eldar mainly use lance weaponry and nids also have warp lance which is also a lance psychic weapon).

I should have specified 2 inches from the drop pod, since I thought we were talking about drop pods. Space wolves cannot deepstrike unless they use a drop pod, they don't believe in using teleporters.

You aren't allowed to post rules on the forum you'll get the site in trouble...
Copyright issues and such.

space wolf termies don't deepstrike so yes you are correct

purple food: ok sorry just trying to prove a point, plus there isn't any GW developers here is there?

happygolucky wrote:space wolf termies don't deepstrike so yes you are correct

They can deepstrike but they need the drop pod to do it.

purplefood wrote:You aren't allowed to post rules on the forum you'll get the site in trouble...
Copyright issues and such.

Then how does the you make the call on the rules discussion not get the site shut down? I think they frown upon posting full unit stats with points costs, and otherwise you can discuss the rules. Be a pretty jerk move for GW to come down on their community for discussing the rules.

When you talk about rules in order to discuss them, there's no problem. But please don't spam the forum with rulebook quotations to "prove a point." Let's stick to the topic at hand, please.

Crom wrote:

purplefood wrote:You aren't allowed to post rules on the forum you'll get the site in trouble...
Copyright issues and such.

Then how does the you make the call on the rules discussion not get the site shut down? I think they frown upon posting full unit stats with points costs, and otherwise you can discuss the rules. Be a pretty jerk move for GW to come down on their community for discussing the rules.

There's a bit of leeway but straight up posting rules like he is doing can get the site in trouble.