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GB to AUS sales would show up in the Northern Europe revenues.

It's going to be interesting to see if those revenues fall because of the export ban.

I simply have to imagine they would, though I admittedly have no idea how many Aussies bought from UK web retailers.

Either way (and this stating the obvious, I think) I can't imagine many people who used to buy from UK/US websites saying "Oh well, guess I'll pay $55 AUD for a box of troops!" so I would be astonished if they see substantial growth in Australia/NZ sales.

Kouzuki wrote:

insaniak wrote:

Kouzuki wrote:But of course, you and you alone define the entire Australian market.

Was there a point to that comment beyond trying to start an argument?

He was quite clearly just stating a personal opinion.

well, any other suggestions as to what to do? All discussions are at the very core, arguments. Differing thoughts and opinions is what drives discussion.

If you look at it that way, I was trying to start a discussion.

Your phrasing of the comment comes over as aggressive and provocative.

Exactly the same information content could have been conveyed by this; "Your personal experiences do not necessarily reflect the broader market." The emotional effect is very different.

nkelsch wrote:So where were the sales that people in Aus were importing from the UK and US retailers show up?

It couldn't be that this was evidence that internet importers were drastically harming sales in Austrailia was it? Hence the policy at the end of may when they saw the projected numbers... It might even make sense? No... We all know GW should operate at a loss to please a small subset of customers.

GW's white knight has appeared as expected.

Back on topic: Would most Aussies bother dealing with the hassle and waiting time associated with overseas shipping if GW had bothered to realign their cost structure somewhere in the last few years? Generally, when I make a purchase, I'd rather not have to wait a month for it to get to me. I think that if GW would bring their prices in Aus. to a level near what the rest of the world pays, then sales in Aus. wouldn't be so bad. If prices in the US were like what they are in Aus., I'd sure as hell be playing another game. It is insulting that GW penalizes one market over others.

GBL wrote:

CoI wrote: The amount I got talked down to in the other stores, then told I couldn't play because my armies aren't 'based properly'

FFFF the guys there have done that to me too.

Years ago back when third ed was first released, i bought the box set and painted the space marines. Walked in accepted the redshirts offer (as i was buying the minis he told me i could come in anytime and play him) He tells me "No, you cant play with them like that, what are they? floating in space? you need to fix up the bases before you are allowed to play" He then goes on to explain all the MAGICAL CITADEL PRODUCTS for basing miniatures.

My god, i can feel a nerd rage rising....
The guys at the Perth store are way more relaxed about not being based, hell half the regular guys armies aren't based, and even more have un painted armies. There's only 1 Dbag employee and he's a Dbag only because he froths over space wolves, like religiously.

Also there are about 4 guys working there, then again perth is a little strange at times

Off topic
Base your minis you lazy gits. How hard can it be to stick some flock on with pva glue?

ps rhetorical question with tongue in cheek

GW should lower their prices, I don't want them to close their store in Wollongong, I would have to travel to Sydney to do hobby.

nkelsch wrote:It couldn't be that this was evidence that internet importers were drastically harming sales in Austrailia was it? Hence the policy at the end of may when they saw the projected numbers... It might even make sense? No... We all know GW should operate at a loss to please a small subset of customers.

No, it doesn't make sense, because you're completely ignoring what caused the use of internet importers. If GW had been willing to sell to Australians at a fair price, they would never have had this problem.

MikZor wrote:

GBL wrote:

CoI wrote: The amount I got talked down to in the other stores, then told I couldn't play because my armies aren't 'based properly'

FFFF the guys there have done that to me too.

Years ago back when third ed was first released, i bought the box set and painted the space marines. Walked in accepted the redshirts offer (as i was buying the minis he told me i could come in anytime and play him) He tells me "No, you cant play with them like that, what are they? floating in space? you need to fix up the bases before you are allowed to play" He then goes on to explain all the MAGICAL CITADEL PRODUCTS for basing miniatures.

My god, i can feel a nerd rage rising....
The guys at the Perth store are way more relaxed about not being based, hell half the regular guys armies aren't based, and even more have un painted armies. There's only 1 Dbag employee and he's a Dbag only because he froths over space wolves, like religiously.

Also there are about 4 guys working there, then again perth is a little strange at times

Back in 2nd edition, my brother was told he couldn't play in the store because his models bases had black trims. He based them properly, but he liked to redo the trim black. They told him they had to be fully painted models with bases that were completely Goblin Green. No other colour, no black trim. He just went to the paint station, painted the trims green, played, and before we left, went back and repainted the trims black at the paint station.

rockerbikie wrote:GW should lower their prices, I don't want them to close their store in Wollongong, I would have to travel to Sydney to do hobby.

as far as i know in regard to the hobby, GW have killed all the retailers in sydney city. feth them.
I was all keen to get back into the hobby, i'm thinking conversions ect...awesome!
Then i realise i don't have any mates who play.
So i now have a choice of the batle bunker (= no conversions) 15% ffs that isnt a conversion.And all my enthusiasm went out the window.
or good games and ...that is...it.
BRING BACK THE FLGS...feth GW STORES.
you americans have it so good!

Tin Soldier in the city just closed.

Bullockist wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:GW should lower their prices, I don't want them to close their store in Wollongong, I would have to travel to Sydney to do hobby.

as far as i know in regard to the hobby, GW have killed all the retailers in sydney city. feth them.
I was all keen to get back into the hobby, i'm thinking conversions ect...awesome!
Then i realise i don't have any mates who play.
So i now have a choice of the batle bunker (= no conversions) 15% ffs that isnt a conversion.And all my enthusiasm went out the window.
or good games and ...that is...it.
BRING BACK THE FLGS...feth GW STORES.
you americans have it so good!

Good Games LOL...

You may never leave alive in that place. Tripping hazards down the stairs, children trying to steal your models before your eyes and the highest prices I have seen outside a GW store.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Tin Soldier in the city just closed.

and I missed the SALE!

That's what i am saying! it seems to be just Good Games vs GW atm, anyone else have good hobby stores in sydney, specially with gaming tables!

If no Austrailians worth their salt are buying GW products at GWOZ prices how is it that GW stores are closing FLGS?

Seriously not everything happens ATM man. They already shut the doors, and the trouble would have started years ago.

notprop wrote:If no Austrailians worth their salt are buying GW products at GWOZ prices how is it that GW stores are closing FLGS?

Same way any other <insert small, privately owned business here> closes. Just because people aren't buying from the LGS doesn't mean they're buying from GW either. GW just has the funds and stubbornness to keep doors open.

notprop wrote:If no Austrailians worth their salt are buying GW products at GWOZ prices how is it that GW stores are closing FLGS?

Basically right now GWOZ is doing a thing that whenever you buy something you have to enter your postcode and I am assuming that they are using it to see which stores are most profitable for people that aren't worth their salt and which ones aren't and then must be closing down the ones that aren't.

Bullockist wrote:That's what i am saying! it seems to be just Good Games vs GW atm, anyone else have good hobby stores in sydney, specially with gaming tables!

Hall of Heroes in Campbelltown mate!

Best store going.

Even the OzPainters hold monthly meets there where you can see some of AUS best painters and modellers and get hands on advice and assistance.

AvatarForm wrote:

Bullockist wrote:That's what i am saying! it seems to be just Good Games vs GW atm, anyone else have good hobby stores in sydney, specially with gaming tables!

Hall of Heroes in Campbelltown mate!

Best store going.

Even the OzPainters hold monthly meets there where you can see some of AUS best painters and modellers and get hands on advice and assistance.

.. what the feth. Small world. That's my FLGS too! Awesome store.

Kirbinator wrote:

notprop wrote:If no Austrailians worth their salt are buying GW products at GWOZ prices how is it that GW stores are closing FLGS?

Same way any other <insert small, privately owned business here> closes. Just because people aren't buying from the LGS doesn't mean they're buying from GW either. GW just has the funds and stubbornness to keep doors open.

which means that the LGS were bound to close down anyway regardless of GW stores in the area.

Independent retailers / FLGS in Australia often pay more for "wholesale" GW product than I could buy off Maelstrom or Wayland. That's one of several reasons they're closing.

Also, nkelsch, surely you are trolling?

-Loki- wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:

Bullockist wrote:That's what i am saying! it seems to be just Good Games vs GW atm, anyone else have good hobby stores in sydney, specially with gaming tables!

Hall of Heroes in Campbelltown mate!

Best store going.

Even the OzPainters hold monthly meets there where you can see some of AUS best painters and modellers and get hands on advice and assistance.

.. what the feth. Small world. That's my FLGS tool. Awesome store.

Holy crap, you two go there as well?
Thats my hometown
I don't go much, but the range and tables there are awesome

I'm usually in there on Thursday night, though only to grab some paints of miniatures. Spent about an hour in there on Sunday with my friend who is getting back into the game, while he poured over everything. Now it's his favorite store as well.

Asuron wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:

Bullockist wrote:That's what i am saying! it seems to be just Good Games vs GW atm, anyone else have good hobby stores in sydney, specially with gaming tables!

Hall of Heroes in Campbelltown mate!

Best store going.

Even the OzPainters hold monthly meets there where you can see some of AUS best painters and modellers and get hands on advice and assistance.

.. what the feth. Small world. That's my FLGS tool. Awesome store.

Holy crap, you two go there as well?
Thats my hometown
I don't go much, but the range and tables there are awesome

Wow super small world, I have a couple of friends that keep bugging me to go in there sometime, might have to look it up soon after all!

Decent review over at Duke's Inferno:

http://dukesinferno.blogspot.com/2011/07/financial-analysis-of-gw.html#more

Krellnus wrote:

Asuron wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:

Bullockist wrote:That's what i am saying! it seems to be just Good Games vs GW atm, anyone else have good hobby stores in sydney, specially with gaming tables!

Hall of Heroes in Campbelltown mate!

Best store going.

Even the OzPainters hold monthly meets there where you can see some of AUS best painters and modellers and get hands on advice and assistance.

.. what the feth. Small world. That's my FLGS tool. Awesome store.

Holy crap, you two go there as well?
Thats my hometown
I don't go much, but the range and tables there are awesome

Wow super small world, I have a couple of friends that keep bugging me to go in there sometime, might have to look it up soon after all!

Make sure you have money. The range in there is awesome. I went in the first time after some 40k stuff and spent most of my time checking out Warmahordes, Malifaux and all of the resin stuff they stock. There's even an Ultraforge Pleasuredaemon I really want to grab. Er, buy.

Puma
Thanks for that linky. Makes for very interesting reading and clearly the effects of recent debacles are not reflected in the Annual Report.

The 11% drop in sales is before the RoW embargo.

AvatarForm wrote:

Bullockist wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:GW should lower their prices, I don't want them to close their store in Wollongong, I would have to travel to Sydney to do hobby.

as far as i know in regard to the hobby, GW have killed all the retailers in sydney city. feth them.
I was all keen to get back into the hobby, i'm thinking conversions ect...awesome!
Then i realise i don't have any mates who play.
So i now have a choice of the batle bunker (= no conversions) 15% ffs that isnt a conversion.And all my enthusiasm went out the window.
or good games and ...that is...it.
BRING BACK THE FLGS...feth GW STORES.
you americans have it so good!

Good Games LOL...

You may never leave alive in that place. Tripping hazards down the stairs, children trying to steal your models before your eyes and the highest prices I have seen outside a GW store.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Tin Soldier in the city just closed.

and I missed the SALE!

I prefer to paint with other peopel at my store and it is a hobby free store where I live. The Manager at Good Games Wollongong is not a great guy either, Imagine someone who pushes sales harder than GW.
A conversation with him:
Me: Hi
Him: Hey, want to buy something?
Me: Yes, I want to buy Chaos in the Old World.
Him: Sure, here it is. Do you want the Horn Rat Expansion?
Me: No.
Him: No? More dice?
Me: I have enough.
Him: Ok, how about more Magic cards for your collections?
Me: Ok I got to go.
Him: Bye, remember there is still alot of other Good Board Games to get from here.
*leaves the store with Board Game*

I loved Tin Solider, I am upset it's closed. I would love some FLGS but no-one is willing to set them up or they are closing down. I am indifferent to GW. The Embargo and Finecast increase stoped me from liking GW so much. I don't want to go to Cmpbeltown or anywhere out Wollongong to do my Hobby and I don't want to go to Good Games either. For me it's a loose-loose situation if GW closes.

-Loki- wrote:

Krellnus wrote:

Asuron wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:

Bullockist wrote:That's what i am saying! it seems to be just Good Games vs GW atm, anyone else have good hobby stores in sydney, specially with gaming tables!

Hall of Heroes in Campbelltown mate!

Best store going.

Even the OzPainters hold monthly meets there where you can see some of AUS best painters and modellers and get hands on advice and assistance.

.. what the feth. Small world. That's my FLGS tool. Awesome store.

Holy crap, you two go there as well?
Thats my hometown
I don't go much, but the range and tables there are awesome

Wow super small world, I have a couple of friends that keep bugging me to go in there sometime, might have to look it up soon after all!

Make sure you have money. The range in there is awesome. I went in the first time after some 40k stuff and spent most of my time checking out Warmahordes, Malifaux and all of the resin stuff they stock. There's even an Ultraforge Pleasuredaemon I really want to grab. Er, buy.

Didn't realise so many from Dakka went there.
Though I only go there occasionally, one of the best FLGS I've been to.

n0t_u wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

Krellnus wrote:

Asuron wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:

Bullockist wrote:That's what i am saying! it seems to be just Good Games vs GW atm, anyone else have good hobby stores in sydney, specially with gaming tables!

Hall of Heroes in Campbelltown mate!

Best store going.

Even the OzPainters hold monthly meets there where you can see some of AUS best painters and modellers and get hands on advice and assistance.

.. what the feth. Small world. That's my FLGS tool. Awesome store.

Holy crap, you two go there as well?
Thats my hometown
I don't go much, but the range and tables there are awesome

Wow super small world, I have a couple of friends that keep bugging me to go in there sometime, might have to look it up soon after all!

Make sure you have money. The range in there is awesome. I went in the first time after some 40k stuff and spent most of my time checking out Warmahordes, Malifaux and all of the resin stuff they stock. There's even an Ultraforge Pleasuredaemon I really want to grab. Er, buy.

Didn't realise so many from Dakka went there.
Though I only go there occasionally, one of the best FLGS I've been to.

I keep putting off going there. Maybe I shouldn't