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**Melissia**

Nightfall wrote:
Ahtman wrote:How about Age of Empires 3?

firstly NOOOOO!!! Age of Empire 2 was SOO MUCH BETTER!!

any case have you tried out Supreme Commander Forged Alliance or Supreme Commander 2? Its a great game takes a while to finish but its worth it when you launch a nuke and then all players here over there headsets "strategic launch Detected" and then all your friends get into a blind panic cause they are either building something somewhere in secret or do not have any anti nuke silos.

Try out Sins of a Solar Empire that takes FOREVER to finish but luckily you can save your game in the multiplayer.

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Oh I read how some of you don't like SupCom 2 over the original, I don't really see it has a SupCom game but I play it more cause my PC's 9400GT card runs number two some much better than the original, i mean like 6 Frames a Second on low graphics is not very nice compared to 25 Frames a second I get on SupCom 2 on high graphics.

A lot of that could actually be due to your processor, rather than your graphics card. SupCom and SupCom:FA are notoriously harsh on processors.

**Corpsesarefun**

Ledabot wrote:DOW2 is fun. I like it. Aoe3 was ok in my opinion, but i just wanted to spam inf and it got dull, because they all died to easyly, you can muck around so much with it as you could with aoe2

I'm sorry but DoW2 is not an RTS.

**Melissia**

corpsesarefun wrote:
Ledabot wrote:DOW2 is fun. I like it. Aoe3 was ok in my opinion, but i just wanted to spam inf and it got dull, because they all died to easyly, you can muck around so much with it as you could with aoe2

I'm sorry but DoW2 is not an RTS.

And Stalin was an okay guy.

**Kanluwen**

corpsesarefun wrote:
Ledabot wrote:DOW2 is fun. I like it. Aoe3 was ok in my opinion, but i just wanted to spam inf and it got dull, because they all died to easyly, you can muck around so much with it as you could with aoe2

I'm sorry but DoW2 is not an RTS.

Is there strategy involved?
Yes.
Is it in real-time or turn-based?
Real-time.

Lo and behold, it's a RTS!

It's time to get over RTS applying only to C&C base building clones.

**djphranq**

Go classic and play Rome Total War.

**Corpsesarefun**

By that logic most games are RTS's.

WoW involves strategy and is real time, so that an RTS?

**Devastator**

I thought DOW2 was RTT?

**Kanluwen**

corpsesarefun wrote:By that logic most games are RTS's.

WoW involves strategy and is real time, so that an RTS?

Oh look. A ridiculous leap of logic! How silly and fun!

Either way, this ridiculous idea that Dawn of War 2 is somehow anything but a RTS is obnoxious. We get it. People like building bases and micromanaging. However, what is incorporated within the auspices of a genre can widen.

Remember when it just used to be "shooters"? Now we have FPS and 3PS, top down shooters, etc.

**Corpsesarefun**

Fine, how about guildwars? at the moment you manage a squad of AI not unlike in DoW2, it is strategic and real time.

**Kanluwen**

corpsesarefun wrote:Fine, how about guildwars? at the moment you manage a squad of AI not unlike in DoW2, it is strategic and real time.

I haven't played Guild Wars in ages, but I don't remember ever "managing" a squad of AI.

However, if that's the case now then sure. I'd call it a RTS/RPG hybrid.

**halonachos**

corpsesarefun wrote:Fine, how about guildwars? at the moment you manage a squad of AI not unlike in DoW2, it is strategic and real time.

In Guild Wars and World of Warcraft you control a single character that represents you in game, this is what makes it a Role-Playing Game. You are playing as a character in the overall story of the game. In Dawn of War 2 there is an overarching storyline with characters that you control, but here's the kicker, they're still units. That's right, these heros are just pawns under your omnipotent control. You tell them where to go and you don't actually go there 'yourself' and the fact that they have to be told to do actions instead of you doing things yourself separates RPGs from RTSs.

**Corpsesarefun**

halonachos wrote:
corpsesarefun wrote:Fine, how about guildwars? at the moment you manage a squad of AI not unlike in DoW2, it is strategic and real time.

In Guild Wars and World of Warcraft you control a single character that represents you in game, this is what makes it a Role-Playing Game. You are playing as a character in the overall story of the game. In Dawn of War 2 there is an overarching storyline with characters that you control, but here's the kicker, they're still units. That's right, these heros are just pawns under your omnipotent control. You tell them where to go and you don't actually go there 'yourself' and the fact that they have to be told to do actions instead of you doing things yourself separates RPGs from RTSs.

Incorrect, due to a lowering playbase the folks at guildwars have expanded the AI companion system so for the most part of PvE you control a squad of AI much like in DoW2. However IMO this does not make it at all an RTS, at best DoW2 is a RTT but I would catagorise it as something else entirely.

**kenshin620**

I cant see how a game with a 4 player party system (or was it 8?) can compare at all to DoW2

Look you have a base, a bird's eye view, you can build units, go up tier levels, and require building up resources to spend. To me thats an RTS (although there are exceptions like turn based RTS where you build before battles)

**Bromsy**

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_time_tactics

Real-time tactics or RTT[1] is a subgenre of tactical wargames played in real-time simulating the considerations and circumstances of operational warfare and military tactics. It is differentiated from real-time strategy gameplay by the lack of resource micromanagement and base or unit building, as well as the greater importance of individual units[1][2] and a focus on complex battlefield tactics.

So, unless you disregard RTT as a viable genre, DOW2 fits the criteria pretty much perfectly.

**Ahtman**

Would Star Fleet Battles (1, 2 or Orion Pirates) be a RTT? Generally, you only controlled one ship, but had a lot of resources to manage: energy, weapons, away teams, ect.

**Bromsy**

Uhhh, I'm not really sure. I hadn't heard of them before, and from looking it up all I am getting is a board game, and an online version of said board game.

**Yak9UT**

I rather like playing Sins of a Solar Empire but the game can take up to 6 hours to finnish so perhaps if you and your buddies don't want to play for that long I recommend something else but they are great fun especially with the expansions.

Supreme Commander was a great game but the the sequel wasn't very good so buy the fisrt one and/or the expansion they are great!

I rather like the totalwar seris but they can be hard for some people. If of your mates find it too hard perhaps try something else. But all in all they are great games especially 1v1 multiplayer Campaingn in Napoleon when it doesn't crash

Its ashame your mate doesn't like COH its a great game one of my favourites especially with the blitzkreig mod.

but hopefully these games are something you and your friends may like

**murdog**

It's too bad your friend isn't into CoH. I think it's the best RTS ever- great graphics, awesome sound (sometimes hilarious voices), most deep, most interesting, most 'realistic' (for a video game). I just can't touch any other RTS since I started on that (almost 6 years ago already !!??). I agree with your take on StarCraft - cheezy, cartoony, and ... not CoH. Sorry I didn't help much. Did I mention how highly I think of CoH?

What does your friend have against it? There is a punishing learning curve, many can't get past it and hate being crushed over and over till they learn the units, companies, maps, when to use/not use buildings, etc., not to mention just the basic RTS micro (hotkeys, waypoints, etc.).

The Total War series is my second favorite, nothing like 10000 men on the field at once! The new Shogun: TW is beautiful, with really fun ship battles.

**Melissia**

Homeworld is considered an RTS but has no base building whatsoever. Even Homeworld 2 doesn't really have any appropriate base building-- sure there's turrets and space stations for building capital ships, but that's about it. You have one shipyard usually, no more than that, and turrets usually only protect the shipyard or the asteroid belt you're currently harvesting.... all the research and most of the shipbuilding is done by the flagship.

DoW2 is roughly equivalent to Homeworld 2 on the base building front. You have one base, and it builds and researches everything. And then you have turrets and garrisons and similar structures.

Now, DoW2's campaign is probably RTT. But its skirmish is definitely RTS.

**ironicsilence**

djphranq wrote:Go classic and play Rome Total War.

get the rome total realism mod and Rome total war turned into the best RTS i've ever played

**SilverMK2**

I loved Rome Total War

I shall have to find this realism mod and see what is cooking...

**Brother Coa**

corpsesarefun wrote:By that logic most games are RTS's.

WoW involves strategy and is real time, so that an RTS?

WoW is not a strategy, it doesen't include commanding armies or building bases...

As for OP, try Command and Conquer Generals if you want some 21'st century fun. The game is great.

**Corpsesarefun**

Brother Coa wrote:
corpsesarefun wrote:By that logic most games are RTS's.

WoW involves strategy and is real time, so that an RTS?

WoW is not a strategy, it doesen't include commanding armies or building bases...

As for OP, try Command and Conquer Generals if you want some 21'st century fun. The game is great.

Neither does DoW2 so by that logic it is not an RTS.

**Brother Coa**

corpsesarefun wrote:
Neither does DoW2 so by that logic it is not an RTS.

"Leading armies...." I think DoW II is an RTS according to this rule.

"In an RTS, as in other wargames, the participants position and maneuver units and structures under their control to secure areas of the map and/or destroy their opponents' assets. In a typical RTS, it is possible to create additional units and structures during the course of a game. This is generally limited by a requirement to expend accumulated resources. These resources are in turn garnered by controlling special points on the map and/or possessing certain types of units and structures devoted to this purpose. More specifically, the typical game of the RTS genre features resource gathering, base building, in-game technological development and indirect control of units."

**Corpsesarefun**

You hardly lead an army, though I suppose in DoW2 retribution the nids can approach army level.

**Brother Coa**

corpsesarefun wrote:You hardly lead an army, though I suppose in DoW2 retribution the nids can approach army level.

And Imperial Guard is not numerous at all, Orks to even if they were original race together with Nids

**kenshin620**

murdog wrote:most 'realistic' (for a video game).

Hmm base gameplay I say not too much compared to Men of War. That game is crazy where you can even loot bodies for ammo, helmets, and healing kits. Heck its really hard to use vehicles since if you dont pay attention they can get one shotted very easily, but of course your crew can jump out, and maybe find another vehicle to repair and commandeer!

My only complaint is that you can only give actions to one group at a time instead of your whole army

**Melissia**

corpsesarefun wrote:Neither does DoW2 so by that logic it is not an RTS.

You can build bases and command armies in DoW2.

**Cane**

imark789 wrote:As for SC2, quite honestly, I don't like the asthetics of it, and prefer something a bit farther away from the standard traditional RTS game. And it just looks so cheesy and cartoony to me, like everything from Blizzard. Any suggestions?

Personally as a Command and Conquer and AOE2 fan; I'd revisit SC2. You'll get the most bang from your buck and their community is basically unrivaled in the RTS market. Users have also created several kinds of maps that diversified its gameplay which gives you other options than the traditional RTS game under its 'use map settings' tab. The competitive scene is also basically unrivaled in RTS e-sports as people make livings not only playing the game but broadcasting them as well. Also its single player and story is fun and entertaining. SC2 also has an expansion due this year so the core game will likely be cheaper.

**Melissia**

Not really, you get a rehashed version of an old game (which itself has been rehashed a thousand times over, in ways which are better and more interesting than SC2 to boot, such as DoW1) without even really much of a grahical improvement and very little of gameplay change or enhancements.