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Kroothawk wrote:Yes, dipping is clearly overpowered and cheesy and should be banned from tournaments

I loled. ZOMG nerf dipping!

Why be upset? I hate playing against an army that isn't painted, I'd rather something look painted than nothing at all.

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:I'm not jealous. If I wanted to buy quick shade or a primer I could do that quite right now. And in fact Dave_Salmon, I paint my models nicely for my age if you check my gallery.
-Thanks

If you aren't jealous, why did you make a thread slandering it?

On topic: I think that Quickshade is a great product that helps sub-par painters like me put a decent looking army on the table. (army painter: you can send me a lifetime supply for my endorsement)

I'm all for it if it encourages players to field a painted army on the battlefield, and judging by how many have mentioned unpainted armies it seems like it is a worldwide problem. I don't use the army painter stuff simply because I don't trust it to do what I want(pool in the right places) so I'll stick to citadel washes controlled by my brush. But if it (army painter) encourages people to finally paint their armies, then please by all means DO SO! It will make for a more impressive battlefield!

nope, I wouldn't do it because I find that it does make the process of the model a little "too easy" and takes some of the fun out of it but I have nothing against it, I would gladly paint against a painted army rather than an unpainted army

Wow. the opinion on dakka is as fickle as anywhere else. just a few months ago lots of posts on a similar topic were rants against dipping. Ahh reaon sets in.
So good that you have come around dakka. I myself like faceing any army that is not either grey plasitc or primer.

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:Is army painter really fair? What are your thoughts? I think its not.

It's not fair people can paint there armies with a selection of sprays/dips/basing materials quicker than someone using a small brush to do everything?

awwwwwwwwwwwwww didums

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:I'm not jealous. If I wanted to buy quick shade or a primer I could do that quite right now. And in fact Dave_Salmon, I paint my models nicely for my age if you check my gallery.
-Thanks

and its unfair because?

sennacherib wrote:Wow. the opinion on dakka is as fickle as anywhere else. just a few months ago lots of posts on a similar topic were rants against dipping. Ahh reaon sets in.

hobbyists are like mindless drone like teenage girls, they'll jump on the latest fad quicker than an essex girl jumps on male genitals

Soon you know it, commission painters will be called unfair. It really depends on the people I suppose at the time. I have seen plenty of topics for and against dipping

BTW Army painter color spray cans (or at least the ones I have seen) are great! Very easy to do undead or space marines with them

Everyone is different, myself peronally i work away from home sometimes 6 wks away and home for a few days, but so far i have painted all my models, and i am a reasonable painter. however i have toyed with the idea of dipping purely for the reason of time saving, when/if i get home i spend most my time painting when i'd rather be playing, I dont see it as cheating like someone said earlier its" another tool in the arsenal" unless they beat me in a painting comp with a dipped model (i would actually whinge lol)

I have to wonder how many people who wail and gnash their teeth at dipping also hate playing against unpainted armies.

What is unfair is putting in the effort to do any amount of painting, only to play an opponent who's army is either Primer Black or Naked Grey.

insaniak wrote:

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:Is army painter really fair? What are your thoughts? I think its not.

I think you need to explain what you mean. How isa range of painting products 'fair' or 'unfair'...?

Another way to be elitist or snobby. Its like saying "armies must have X number of colors to be used" or the like.


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kenshin620 wrote:Soon you know it, commission painters will be called unfair.

They are...dont you know everyone should have their whole army painted to Golden Demon standards before ever attempting to play a game with it.

dave_salmon wrote:I've seen some discussions in various places around the web and the 'unfair' bit seems to boil down to one of the following things:

1. A spot of jealousy
2. Elitism
3. Little understanding of the technique -

Great post mate. That's exactly how I feel about it. As Zatguy says, some armies are perfect for dipping - such as Tyranids.

To the OP. Your figures are alright. Very much "average tabletop quality" if I'm to be generous. I notice that you've used washes throughout, though. Which is much the same "cheating" as using army painter. Well, AP would typically yield better results than what you have on your Deathwing. Maybe you should give it a try on a test figure and see how it goes if you can easily buy a can?

I've only ever dipped two units - tyranid gaunts and genestealers. And that was about 4-5 years ago using a local brand of stain varnish before Army Painter was around. It was mostly a "historical" technique back then. Maybe I should pick up a can of Army Painter myself and try it out. If it's any good, then I'll use that as well. It's always worth adding any new technique to the painting toolbox.

scipio.au wrote:

dave_salmon wrote:I've seen some discussions in various places around the web and the 'unfair' bit seems to boil down to one of the following things:

1. A spot of jealousy
2. Elitism
3. Little understanding of the technique -

Great post mate. That's exactly how I feel about it. As Zatguy says, some armies are perfect for dipping - such as Tyranids.

To the OP. Your figures are alright. Very much "average tabletop quality" if I'm to be generous. I notice that you've used washes throughout, though. Which is much the same "cheating" as using army painter. Well, AP would typically yield better results than what you have on your Deathwing. Maybe you should give it a try on a test figure and see how it goes if you can easily buy a can?

I've only ever dipped two units - tyranid gaunts and genestealers. And that was about 4-5 years ago using a local brand of stain varnish before Army Painter was around. It was mostly a "historical" technique back then. Maybe I should pick up a can of Army Painter myself and try it out. If it's any good, then I'll use that as well. It's always worth adding any new technique to the painting toolbox.

You are exactly correct. You'd never hear anyone who was good at painting say that using AP stuff is cheating.

But, in truth, I have no issue with dipping minis in any form or way.

I find the term cheating (again also mentioned before) wildly inappropriate.

there is no rule that your models have to be painted, except to play in GW stores or sponsored events. that is because they company profits from that when you have to paint the models you buy. nothing against it, just is what it is.

at you FLGS, if you face a guy with all naked grey or black models, nots not cheating because its not a rule, its just not very sporting. takes some of the fun out of imagining a battle happening.

really what everyone likes about a soild well done paint job, is the life that it brings to the game and to the models themselves. its all part of the story, and thats kind of the excitement. watching a battle unfold in front of you with pieces you can relate to (or hate) but things that stir up imagination and progress the game.

unpainted models, primed models, poorly painted models (up for contention) aren't BAD or wrong, they just don't inspire as much into the game.

we WANT to immerse ourselves into the battle at hand.

if dipping a model brings that vibrence to the tabletop, and a good time is had by all, then i say dip away.

If one discovers a techniques which gives him better results with less effort, why shouldn't he go that route?

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:I'm not jealous. If I wanted to buy quick shade or a primer I could do that quite right now. And in fact Dave_Salmon, I paint my models nicely for my age if you check my gallery.
-Thanks

Your stuff isn't bad, but it would certainly benefit from a primer to keep the paint from rubbing/chipping off, solid layering to get even coats of paint, and certainly a wash or a dip in quick shade in order to give the minis depth/highlighting/shading (I'm referring to your dark angels).

Hey, isn't Dark Angels Champ-Master the guy that was behind that dumb 'help my friend stop changing armies' thread?

I can see this thread has the potentional to get out of hand...

So i went and had a gander at that Quickshade stuff, Looks legit.

nectarprime wrote:There's nothing unfair about it, it's simply a different method.

this pretty much sums it up

CptJake wrote:It is only unfair if you use it in a speed painting competition where it is explicitly against the rules of the competition.

well,army painter takes ages to dry,so this wouldnt make sense in a speed painting competition anyway XD

my 2 cents:

i think its a great way to paint,if you know how to use it.
its not like you can prime your mini,dip it and you get a nice looking mini.

you need to know on what colors it looks good,how to apply it and so on. and done right you are not much faster then using a wash(plus the time it needs to dry up)

I will admit, when I discovered Gyphonne Sepia and Badab Black when painting my gold Space Marines, I felt like I was cheating, but in a good way. Such a simple method and it makes minis look so good.

Tek wrote:What is unfair is putting in the effort to do any amount of painting, only to play an opponent who's army is either Primer Black or Naked Grey.

This. A million times. Though my 40k army is not fully painted (about 40%), my spaceship fleets are. It makes me sad to play against my friends with unpainted spaceships when I've put in time to make my side look good. Especially when the battles are part of a campaign with a great narrative and background.

I don't care how people paint, so long as it is painted or working towards it. A lot of dipped armies look pretty decent.

I think it is completly fair, just expensive and lazy. :/

40k Ninja wrote:I think it is completly fair, just expensive and lazy. :/

Before Army Painter started selling their own tins of the stuff, there was Minwax wood stain, does pretty much the same thing for a fraction of the cost. On certain armies or units it looks great, others not so much. So far, I've used it on several units of: Guard, Kroot, Skaven, and Tyranids. I'm also a fan of the colored primers, if I can do the primer stage as well as the majority of the basecoat in seconds, sign me up.

Whenever I find a new method that looks better, saves me time, or both, I do my best to learn about it so that I can use it when it makes sense to. I consider it another tool in my toolbox.

LeBaron wrote:

Although... it's probably a good way to paint the forces of Mordor....

40k Ninja wrote:I think it is completly fair, just expensive and lazy. :/

how is using armypainter expensive?

its 24 euro and is enough for hundreds of minis(well if you apply it with a brush and dont dip it).

and while it looks good for certain armys, theres a certain point where your minis wont look better anymore

Buying pre made models that only need to be glued together is cheating. Every model should be made by hand as it isn't fair to those that scratchbuild their armies that others can just buy armies off the shelf. I also believe that paints should be handmade because buying pre-made paint is just as bad as buying off the shelf models and the same for glue and everything else.


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augustus5 wrote:

I think he refers to the Quickshade brand of Army Painter. Just watch the vid Alexandra made ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXKD1zHpE7w ) about the product for better understanding :-).

Clicked on the link and almost wished I didn't. Is the person narrating the video in the link an actual woman? Because although you don't ever see anything but the painted nails, the voice screams drag queen.

My Grandma, what big hands you have.

Never looked at the Army Painter products before. Nice!

If i had known about it a year or so ago i probably would have gone for an Imperial Fists army and used that yellow spray to get a decent colour.

It's a shame they dont do metallic shades as well or i'd buy a can to mass base paint my IWs.

Praxiss wrote:Never looked at the Army Painter products before. Nice!

If i had known about it a year or so ago i probably would have gone for an Imperial Fists army and used that yellow spray to get a decent colour.

It's a shame they dont do metallic shades as well or i'd buy a can to mass base paint my IWs.

They actually have a metal color primer, called plate mail that works perfectly for the armies whose primary color is steel, IW, Grey Knights, ect.