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well if they are friendly games you could always proxy. heck I origionally had battlewagons the proper size made out of knew so I could field 4 of them... just kit back or scratch build some. heck my bikers are on toy mororcycles I purchased from toys'r'us .. they are about the right size and instead of lookinf like cruisers they are street bikes/cafe racers (more my style, i ride a ducati monster ) is it tournemant legal.. no... but does it work for friendly games... heck yea and most peopel actually like my speed freaks vibe better than the gw models... with good convertiond people tend to like em

if you have any modeling questions or army liist questions throw em out here you already have some of the best tactical advisers you could as for in this thread

Captainlanger wrote:i am the Ork that weiler here is talking about. just to clear things up my attitude to him cheating came about because well 1. i hate space marines and 2. the first few game we started once we got back into battles he did play things wrong. (we all have) so i never let it go that yeh he has cheated but i don't use it as an excuse for me i just like to annoy him.


as for how my army is built yeh it is pretty much all over the gaff but i'm gradually doing different things with it but with having no money the squads i use are small so puts me off them. my problem is i'm not sticking to one set build i tend to just chuck in a bit of everything.

every game we play i enjoy i may lose most of my boyz but i will always win my mission objective.

You're being a jerk to him then. If you hate space marines, don't play them, but don't use it as an excuse to try to apply social pressure to someone to force them not to play what they want to play. It's a good way to drive people away from the game.

weiler wrote:Yeah i have stopped playing my land raider and my trio of whirlwinds against him for obvious reasons
I gave him 15 lootas he doesnt really use so will get him to put these in and i also gave him big mek. We play anything from 1000 to 3000 points but i have made the battles more like 1000p these days just so he can try getting to terms with a play style.
Sorry but to clarify whats the biggie with the kff/ best way to use it i dont play orks gave him my ork stuff
Thanks

First off, you've listed several ork models that you have given him. Lootas, a big mek, and I think you said you also gave him some Kanz and he's whining? Stop giving him models. Beggers can't be choosers.

weiler wrote:So i take it this would work better with 5 kans because i gave him 2 old metal ones just need to get him to fix them up

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Also i thought it made vehicles obscured not 4+

weiler wrote:great advice guys i will pass all this on thanks.
Just one more thing how does this cover save on vehicles work from the kff if i get penetrating hit he can then cover save it, is this correct?

I strongly recommend reading the BRB again. Obscured Vehicles get a 4+ cover save unless it specifically states a different rating by the item/ability that grants it. A KFF makes any vehicle within 6" Obscurred, meaning they get a 4+ cover save against ANY glancing or penetrating hits.

People run KFF Big Meks in Battlewagons because the rules state that when you have an abilities like this, you measure it from the hull. So you suddenly have this huge KFF bubble that you can put on the table

Captainlanger wrote:i am the Ork that weiler here is talking about. just to clear things up my attitude to him cheating came about because well 1. i hate space marines and 2. the first few game we started once we got back into battles he did play things wrong. (we all have) so i never let it go that yeh he has cheated but i don't use it as an excuse for me i just like to annoy him.

as for how my army is built yeh it is pretty much all over the gaff but i'm gradually doing different things with it but with having no money the squads i use are small so puts me off them. my problem is i'm not sticking to one set build i tend to just chuck in a bit of everything.

every game we play i enjoy i may lose most of my boyz but i will always win my mission objective.

Some suggestions for you Captainlanger:

1) Your friend gave you 15 lootas, 2 Kanz, and a big mek (did I miss anything in that list?). That's what, $200 worth of models that he GAVE you. You should be grateful that your friend did that. He could have sold the models or kept them for himself, instead he gave them to you to enjoy the game.

2) Take what people have posted here as suggestions and try proxy'ing a few games. Heck, use poker chips to represent models, they're almost the same size as a standard base.

3) Focus your army around specific tactics. You are all over the place. Chose a specific type of army to run, proxy it a few times, and see how it goes. If you like it, then start getting models to suit it.

4) Are you really annoyed that he can lay down blast weapons? Seriously? Spend a few minutes thinking about many blast templates you can lay down on the table each turn if you fielded 9 Kanz with Grotzookas. Or 6 Kanz with Grotzookas and 3 Lobbas (I personally like having indirect fire options).

5) For fun, proxy a game where you have a unit of Burna Boyz in a truck and have your friend let them get within 12 inches of a unit just as an experiment. One of the scariest units you can lay on the table is a truck that can hit a unit with 12 flamer templates (they can all lay down their template in the exact same spot, so if you work out that you can hit 5 marines, then you hit each of those 5 marines 12 times. Bye bye marine squad!).


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Also are you simply playing default "line up and kill each other"?

I would suggest using scenarios and even rolling for random scenario usings something like Battle Missions...

weiler wrote:

Jihallah wrote:

Alerian wrote:

Well, your stuff is all over too, so pretty much any solid Ork build can crush it: Kanwall, BW spam, Speak Freaks, etc.

Speak Freaks- the most eloquent of the all the orks

Although pointing out that mis-spelling has amused me it wasnt the answer i was looking for

Lunar Eclipse wrote:

weiler wrote:So i take it this would work better with 5 kans because i gave him 2 old metal ones just need to get him to fix them up

Also i thought it made vehicles obscured not 4+

weiler wrote:great advice guys i will pass all this on thanks.
Just one more thing how does this cover save on vehicles work from the kff if i get penetrating hit he can then cover save it, is this correct?

I strongly recommend reading the BRB again. Obscured Vehicles get a 4+ cover save unless it specifically states a different rating by the item/ability that grants it. A KFF makes any vehicle within 6" Obscurred, meaning they get a 4+ cover save against ANY glancing or penetrating hits.

Speak freaks know aaallllll about that BRB I too would suggest having another crack at it

Actually the BRB specifies that obscured vehicles get the same cover save that a piece of terrain would give to infantry, so a vehicle obscured by tall grass, for example, would only get a 6+ cover save.

willydstyle wrote:Actually the BRB specifies that obscured vehicles get the same cover save that a piece of terrain would give to infantry, so a vehicle obscured by tall grass, for example, would only get a 6+ cover save.

The question raised wasn't about terrain, it was about Kustom Force Fields. Read the BRB again:

If a special rule or piece of wargear confers to a vehicle the ability of being obscured even if in the open, this is a 4+ cover save, unless specified otherwise in the Codex.

If the ork player persists in calling you a cheater field 3 vindicators, a terminator assault squad with 5 LC in a LRR, led by a chaplain in terminator armour. While dropping str10 large templates on him, be sure to laugh in an evil way. When the terminators hit a boyz squad causing perhaps 15 wounds with no saves be sure to laugh all the harder!

Thatll teach him for taking the mick out of marines!

Probably not the smartest thing to do mr space corps, rubbing salt in noob-wounds. Shame on you for even suggesting it.

I have a mean streak a mile wide when it comes to ork players.

Being swarmed with boyz mobs has made me get happy and bring out my evil streak every time an ork player gets sad/mad lol.

Bloody kan walls!

I played my friend with his own orks, which is just the contents of AOBR and a battleforce, and he used his blood angels, his primary army.

Every game i play as his orks, i own him. I am a guard player so i know how to use blobs, and am used to crappy regular infantry. However it turns out ork infantry are crazy mofos, and their warboss on a bike with nob biker guards is extremely crazy.

My friends little 5 man tac squads and death company just get swarmed too easy.

So, despite only playing orks 3-4 times, i find they are very good at what they do - which is crazy choppy, or loads of shooty. My rokkits and kannonz and shootas did more than choppy!

Mechanized Space Corps wrote:If the ork player persists in calling you a cheater field 3 vindicators, a terminator assault squad with 5 LC in a LRR, led by a chaplain in terminator armour. While dropping str10 large templates on him, be sure to laugh in an evil way. When the terminators hit a boyz squad causing perhaps 15 wounds with no saves be sure to laugh all the harder!

Thatll teach him for taking the mick out of marines!

Oh no, no saves for his boyz!

Oh, wait.

15 Wound are arbitrary, by the way.

Jidmah wrote:

Oh no, no saves for his boyz!

Oh, wait.

15 Wound are arbitrary, by the way.

True that. For those that need some prodding to think it through, da boyz have a 6+ save. 15 wounds statistically is 2.5 saves, so you're not really denying da boyz much when you kill 2.5 more than you would.

Marines, on the other hand, is an entirely different story