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look what happens when nids get corupted, Ymgarls. they ripp marines to shreads. without marines or sorcerers you dont get daemons.

nids win

Not quite. They don't always need sorcerers and they definitely don't ever NEED marines to be summoned. It's fairly easy to stop a Ymgarl genestealer, they're far from invincible killing machines, and certainly not quite up to par with a Chaos marine.

Durza wrote:Necrons die when they come in contact with the warp, and as is proven in game, they can be destroyed.

Orks don't get stronger by killing things, their advantage is in the fact that they reproduce by spores, making it virtually impossible to completely kill them. A Bloodthirster revives and kills an entire Waagh every day in the Eye of Terror, so they can be defeated by Chaos, though maybe they can't be corrupted.

Nids don't eat corrupted things, so they would never be able to gain an advantage over Chaos Marines that way, since most of them are barely similar to humans any more.

Show me a time a Necron dies just by coming into contact with the Warp. The C'tan are susceptible to the Warp, it has not been proven that the Necrons are. And no. Phase Out phases the Necrons back to the nearest Tomb Complex to repair their Necrodermis and transfer the consciousness of the Necron into a new shell.

Yes they do, as an Ork continues to fight and thrive, they grow larger and stronger. This is how Nobs and Warbosses come to be, and is the reason Ghazghkull is the size of a Dreadnought. And it's a Daemon Prince that kills them, while also fighting with its Legion of Khornate Daemons, and it's in the Warp. It would be very sad if they could not defeat a small Waaagh.

You are right in this though.

iproxtaco wrote:I would have thought that the Shadow in the Warp creates a veil between the materium and immaterium, making it harder for the Warp and the material realm to access each other. I would suppose that it would cut off Daemons from their source. Saying that though, if Chaos had conquered the galaxy, they would have virtually limitless flesh beings, ships, machines, and Chaos Asartes to call on. It would be like it is now, just the Chaos side would be more aggressive than the Imperium before it.

The Shadow in the Warp is basically a smothering psychic beacon, it makes it nearly impossible for most psykers to access the Warp, and for the Warp to access the Materium. However, if there is already a connection, like in Sondheim V, the Shadow cannot ward off the Daemons, and Daemons and Tyranids battled amongst eachother in this instance. Who would have won is hard to say, as the planet was glassed after the Grey Knights did a short retrieval mission on the surface.

Well chaos have daemons, marines, and hereitics! Oh my!

I don't know if this is now old fluff but Tyranids used the warp to get mutations and they'd assimilate the useful one whenever they traveled through the warp. Also Daemons gain nothing from killing nids they have no emotions or souls. At least necrons have hatred.

Necrons have no Warp presence at all, they don't fuel Chaos in any way, shape, or form.

LumenPraebeo wrote:Sigh....why are there always these threads asking which race/army would win....isn't that what the game is for? Go play and figure it out for yourself, or observe a game if you have neither army. 40K Background is for the BACKGROUND of the 40k universe, not matching up races in a contest. Again I repeat, that is what the game is for.

Ok then I'll just go get a gazillion tyranids and ifinite chaos daemons and marines, and play a battle on a table the size of a city!

Now someone correct me if I am wrong, since I only vaguely remember this from the tyranid codex (Daemon player ftw!)

The doom of malantai was a warp driven monster. It didnt feed on biomass so much as it feed on warp presence.

And since all codex's pretty much only detail the factors encounters with the imperials, the imperials have only seen one such creature, so its a named character.

Now it would be believable that that the nids could create more doom's. And if the nids are fighting daemons, the nids naturally would create them to fight the daemons with. and then the nids would just swamp the daemon incursions with warp devouring monsters.

Nids could almost win! Minus the fact that there is infinite chaos powers to fight the nids with.

As long as Chaos forces remain in the Eye of Terror/Malestrom they should be fairly safe, can't see the Tyranids successfully invading that.

Now if Abaddon got any bright ideas to lead a Black Crusade against a major Tyranid Hive Fleet he'd be in for some problems. A tendril of a major Hive Fleet almost took down a Craftworld, and I remember it being said an entire Imperial Battlefleet was decimated in the last attack on a Craftworld. The guy can't get past Cadia, and you can't expect Tyranids to experience terror or convert to his side in droves like you get in Black Crusades.

The Tyranids would have already killed off the majority of humanity by this point though (if this scenario were true) so Chaos would be quite weakened.

shimraa wrote:The doom of malantai was a warp driven monster.

The Doom of Malan'tai consumed souls from the Infinity Circuit of the Craftworld. I'm not sure if it is capable of simply consuming the Daemons.

Harriticus wrote:The Tyranids would have already killed off the majority of humanity by this point though (if this scenario were true) so Chaos would be quite weakened.

I fail to see how you came to conclusion; the original post says that Chaos has taken control of the rest of the Imperium, not that the Tyranids devoured the worlds of the Imperium.

Chaos possessed tyranids.
Carnifex with Mark of Nurgle
Doom of Malantai with Mark of Tzeentch
Genestealers with Mark of Khorne
Hive tyrant with Mark of Chaos Ascendant.

What now?

Which tyranid unit would get the Mark of Slaanesh?

A Carnifex with a Lash maybe?
A Hive Tyrant with a daemonic steed?

ChaosGalvatron wrote:Which tyranid unit would get the Mark of Slaanesh?
Raveners or Lictors with the Mark of Slaanesh?
Sneaky and fast death bearing down on you, seems right to me.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:Chaos. Almost limitless numbers of Daemons and Tyranids, but the Chaos forces with have the might of various xeno and Human forces to call upon, not to mention the might of the Chaos Primarchs and any forbidden technology found on Mars, for instance. They'd have at least one Blackstone Fortress left operation.

The Tyranids main advantage (i.e. numbers) is useless against Chaos worlds, and they might be vulnerable to diseases from Nurgle. The Tyranids trying to eat everything would likely get the Chas Gods attention afterall, and convince them to work together.

Except if you get a hyper-adaptive fleet like that which assailed the Tau, Nurgle wouldn't be able to do squat.

Plus they couldn't field sorcerers because they would be messed up by the psychic screech.

im2randomghgh wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:Chaos. Almost limitless numbers of Daemons and Tyranids, but the Chaos forces with have the might of various xeno and Human forces to call upon, not to mention the might of the Chaos Primarchs and any forbidden technology found on Mars, for instance. They'd have at least one Blackstone Fortress left operation.

The Tyranids main advantage (i.e. numbers) is useless against Chaos worlds, and they might be vulnerable to diseases from Nurgle. The Tyranids trying to eat everything would likely get the Chas Gods attention afterall, and convince them to work together.

Except if you get a hyper-adaptive fleet like that which assailed the Tau, Nurgle wouldn't be able to do squat.

Plus they couldn't field sorcerers because they would be messed up by the psychic screech.

Tyranids wouldn't adapt that quickly. Who's to say they'll be able to out-adapt the myriad of diseases anyway? Or that their genetic manipulation will be proof against the powers of the Warp?
They could field sorcerers. How do you think Librarians operate around Tyranids?

im2randomghgh wrote:Except if you get a hyper-adaptive fleet like that which assailed the Tau, Nurgle wouldn't be able to do squat.

Plus they couldn't field sorcerers because they would be messed up by the psychic screech.

Nurgle goes some ways beyond anything the Tyranids have adapted to that I recall.

The Shadow in the Warp is not infallible, a powerful enough psyker/sorcerer can use their powers to normal effect.

ChaosGalvatron wrote:Which tyranid unit would get the Mark of Slaanesh?

A Carnifex with a Lash maybe?
A Hive Tyrant with a daemonic steed?

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