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I have always wonderd what would happen if chaos corruppted the rest of the imperium and took over the galaxy and the only threat left was the tyranids and what would happen. would the tyrands comsume the galaxy and be on there way or would chaos destroy the tyranids threat? so what do you guys think will happen

Chaos. Almost limitless numbers of Daemons and Tyranids, but the Chaos forces with have the might of various xeno and Human forces to call upon, not to mention the might of the Chaos Primarchs and any forbidden technology found on Mars, for instance. They'd have at least one Blackstone Fortress left operation.

The Tyranids main advantage (i.e. numbers) is useless against Chaos worlds, and they might be vulnerable to diseases from Nurgle. The Tyranids trying to eat everything would likely get the Chas Gods attention afterall, and convince them to work together.

I would assume chaos.

Tyranids need energy to reconstruct bio mass into its fighting force. While the energy of the warp is limitless. demons could continualy manifest with ease while the tyranids numbers would dwindle.
Nurgle could easily warp / infect them. Khorn would encourage the rampage, causing bugs to loose focus and ignore orders. Tzeentch would confuse every single one of them to no end. Slaneesh... cant really tempt a bug... Guess he/she would invite others into the party and sit back and enjoy the show.

It would be fun to watch, but chaos is coming out on top. unless the tyranids some how adapt to manifest as warp entities. having their own warp "god"

The Tyranids are virtually limitless.

Chaos is actually limitless.

The Tyranids have no way to combat a galaxy ruled by Chaos.

Now a Hive Fleet entering the Eye of Terror, now that would be interesting.

I think that the Eye would go every where because of the Shadow,and obliterate evrything.

i don't much about chaos but the tyanids are endless viurtually and the more death the more biomas= more tyranids.

Sigh....why are there always these threads asking which race/army would win....isn't that what the game is for? Go play and figure it out for yourself, or observe a game if you have neither army. 40K Background is for the BACKGROUND of the 40k universe, not matching up races in a contest. Again I repeat, that is what the game is for.

The problem for chaos is as people in the galaxy starts to run out so does their grip on the materium, so it is a question of how many galaxys do the tyranids own.

Chaos is not unlimited they can only corrupt what is there.
not enough is known of the nids to fairly comment

Daemons are limitless. A tide without number and without end.

Tyranid biomass can be depleted, it has happened before.

It is very rare for a Daemon to be truly "killed," and while possible, the Tyranids have not shown to be capable of it.

So the Daemonic legions are effectively limitless, their numbers at any given time are vast beyond reckoning, while at the same time are unable to die.

I think this is how it would go:

Abbadon leads his 26th Black Crusade (cause the 26th time is the charm) against the Hive Fleets waiting outside the Eye. He meets the Swarmlord on a planet somewhere... the Swarmlord and Tyrant Guard procced to rip him a new one.

Then Daemons come forth. They lose their hold on the mortal world due to Shadow in the Warp which would pull a GK and strip them of their powers.

Choas Gods won't be able to act in the mortal plane because the Eye is surrounded by the Shadow...

Eventually, nids move on to new galaxy leaving Choas without its own galaxy and doomed to be stuck within the Immaterium.


Yah I know their might be some gaps but its my 2 cents so w/e

You are missing the point.
Tyranids don't eat corrupted food. If the galaxy is corrupted, Tyranids just travel to the next one. BTW, travelling in the shadow of the warp protects the hive fleet.

I don't think the Tyranid travel in the warp, I think they generate, through the simple mass of their presence, that shadow. Their "hive mind" is made up of a billion organisms, and creates the Shadow effect.

What protects them is not the shadow, but the simple fact that they're not in the Warp at all.

Correct,they don't warp travel.


Instead they use a small,unarmed and unarmoured ship with gravitationally sensitive spines called the Narvhal,that somehow harness a planet's gravity into a corridor for the fleet to travel.It is faster than sublight speed,but not as quick as warp travel.It can't be used near a large gravitational source,like stars or planets,as these would overpower the delicate senses the Narvhal uses to navigate,and this can slow the arrival by decades.It does create massive seismic activity omn the planet,so the prey will be combating earthquakes galore when they arrive.

Isn't what we think of as Chaos (in terms of the armies present) a reflection of the spirits of sentient beings? Chaos as it is currently would probably win a drawn out war, but that's only because it has energy from sentient being's emotions to power itself.

In a vacuum of mortal emotions, I think that Chaos would calm significantly and the Hive Mind may be able to assert itself over the Chaos.

Does that make any sense?

Not with four immortal, extremely powerful sentiences already guiding the bulk of the Chaotic forces in one direction or another, not including the semi-mortal followers present.

Chaos is not limitless it just seems that way, the warp is a reflection of the galaxy. It get's it fuel by emotions, faith, and psykers. Also Chaos is never untied it is in its nature not to be, because Tzeench hate nurgle, and khorne hates Slaanesh and vice versa.

40kSpartan wrote:I have always wonderd what would happen if chaos corruppted the rest of the imperium and took over the galaxy and the only threat left was the tyranids and what would happen. would the tyrands comsume the galaxy and be on there way or would chaos destroy the tyranids threat? so what do you guys think will happen

Chaos, Nids are not numberless while Daemons are. And Chaos is using the other dimension while Tyranids are stuck with our own so basically... Nids can't go into the Warp and wage war on Chaos.

Chaos r**** Tyranids.

Chaos wins

Everyone fails to realize that chaos is directly correlated to the materium, if say the tyranids start destroying all of the worlds that hold the idea of chaos, it would cease to exist. chaos is unkillable for natives of this galaxy because it is their ideas they are fighting, tyranids can effectively destroy the very idea of chaos or atleast severely weaken them to the point helplessness. Interestingly enough necrons had achieved something similiar to this. To put it in a nutshell a forgotten god is a dead god.

Eura wrote:Everyone fails to realize that chaos is directly correlated to the materium, if say the tyranids start destroying all of the worlds that hold the idea of chaos, it would cease to exist. chaos is unkillable for natives of this galaxy because it is their ideas they are fighting, tyranids can effectively destroy the very idea of chaos or atleast severely weaken them to the point helplessness. Interestingly enough necrons had achieved something similiar to this. To put it in a nutshell a forgotten god is a dead god.

You do not know what is chaos. You do not know who is the master of chaos. To destroy chaos you must destroy it's master. The weak chaos gods and demons do not matter but their master does.

FuryTheBerserker wrote:

Eura wrote:Everyone fails to realize that chaos is directly correlated to the materium, if say the tyranids start destroying all of the worlds that hold the idea of chaos, it would cease to exist. chaos is unkillable for natives of this galaxy because it is their ideas they are fighting, tyranids can effectively destroy the very idea of chaos or atleast severely weaken them to the point helplessness. Interestingly enough necrons had achieved something similiar to this. To put it in a nutshell a forgotten god is a dead god.

You do not know what is chaos. You do not know who is the master of chaos. To destroy chaos you must destroy it's master. The weak chaos gods and demons do not matter but their master does.

QFT

And I'd say chaos too.

I think the more interesting question is Necrons vs. Nids though.

FlammingGaunt wrote:Chaos is not limitless it just seems that way

However, as far as I'm aware, the Tyranids have no way of permanently destroying Daemons. As such, the Daemons can return again and again; the Tyranids can only replensih their losses if they manage to take uncorrupted planets.

Also Chaos is never untied it is in its nature not to be, because Tzeench hate nurgle, and khorne hates Slaanesh and vice versa.

The Chaos Gods unite in times of necessity, such as when the Emperor created the Primarchs and started the Great Crusade. The Tyranids threatening to devour all life in the galaxy would focus their attention pretty quickly.

Lord Rogukiel wrote:I think the more interesting question is Necrons vs. Nids though.

As far as I know every time they have fought the Necrons have come out on top. Necrons provide no biomass and have a vastly superior fleet which could feasibly wipe out all the Narvhals in a Hive Fleet, effectively leaving it stranded until it could replace a sufficient number.

If it is just the two leftover then neither win. Tyranids need biomass, Daemons need the emotions of psyker races. Basically it would be which one starves off first. It depends on which one can last longest without its source of energy.

However the Tyranids have abandoned fleets which had become corrupted in the past so Daemons could win if they managed to somehow corrupt enough fleets. The other downfall being that the hive mind can seemingly block out the warp, preventing the Daemons from being able to fight them at times.

The two are similar in the fact that they rely off of the other races to survive, without them it is a war of attrition at best and a slow stalemated death for both at worse.

If there are other lifeforms in different galaxies, then neither will still win as although they will still have their source of life they would continue to not fight each other as neither have anything to gain from it.

just wanna point out here that if chaos does take over it will end up eating it self from the inside out and that what about necrons and orks? Necrons cant be destoryed and orks and nyds get stronger with what ever they fight so they would be able in throy to destory chaos marines so easy.

Necrons die when they come in contact with the warp, and as is proven in game, they can be destroyed.

Orks don't get stronger by killing things, their advantage is in the fact that they reproduce by spores, making it virtually impossible to completely kill them. A Bloodthirster revives and kills an entire Waagh every day in the Eye of Terror, so they can be defeated by Chaos, though maybe they can't be corrupted.

Nids don't eat corrupted things, so they would never be able to gain an advantage over Chaos Marines that way, since most of them are barely similar to humans any more.

Eura wrote:Everyone fails to realize that chaos is directly correlated to the materium, if say the tyranids start destroying all of the worlds that hold the idea of chaos, it would cease to exist. chaos is unkillable for natives of this galaxy because it is their ideas they are fighting, tyranids can effectively destroy the very idea of chaos or atleast severely weaken them to the point helplessness.

I think you're kinda on the right track and you do make a good point, that the Chaos Gods are made up of the stuff of the Immaterium. So what effect does the Shadow in the Warp actually have in the warp? Is it like a blanket that, I dunno, calms the warp? Does this cause issues for Daemons inside the warp? Does it make the connection between the warp difficult, so harder for Daemons to manifest and remain corporeal, we know that Psykers have problems because of it?

I think though ultimately Chaos would win though as they can hide out in places like the Eye of Terror and Maelstrom, they can wait for the Hive to move on or eat itself. As long as there are still followers in these types of places the Gods would keep going, although maybe weakened. Great potential of being wiped out leads to greater acts of faith and devotion, the followers of Chaos might get a little scared and start praying harder

If the Tyranid proved a real threat and tried to enter the warp the Gods could just dispose of them with a thought and I don't believe that warp flesh, tainted or not, can be added to to their biomass.

Win Chaos

I would have thought that the Shadow in the Warp creates a veil between the materium and immaterium, making it harder for the Warp and the material realm to access each other. I would suppose that it would cut off Daemons from their source. Saying that though, if Chaos had conquered the galaxy, they would have virtually limitless flesh beings, ships, machines, and Chaos Asartes to call on. It would be like it is now, just the Chaos side would be more aggressive than the Imperium before it.