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insaniak wrote:
Yeah, 3 known Captains in 10000 years... it's like they're just throwing them away...

Not a single one has made it to their first scheduled maintenance!

25,000 years, people. It's not that hard to take care of your Space Marines.

insaniak wrote:

Lynata wrote:I just noticed that .. when Sicarius and Titus are both Captains of the Ultramarines 2nd Company, what happened to Agaman?

Man, the 2nd Company really has a high rate of attrition it seems.

Yeah, 3 known Captains in 10000 years... it's like they're just throwing them away...

Hahahaha, that's awesome.

That fits my though to a tee.

There is 10,000 years of timeline to work with, That's almost as much ground as the Star Wars Universe covers, but the big difference is that with 40K 98% of that is open timeline to fill with characters and adventures.

Uh, actually we do have times for when Sicarius and Agemman were in charge of the 2nd Company - and guess what, they overlap in that they were apparently both in command at 745.M41.

The Ultramarines movie had yet another Captain of the 2nd Company by the name of Severus. We don't have a specific date for him, but his leadership of the 2nd Company must occur after the Imperium's first contact with the Tyranids (as a battle with them is part of his background), which means some time after 745.M41. This is funny because it should be either Agemman or Sicarius who is in command (as Sicarius is said to lead the 2nd company "to this day") ... but wait! There is actually a chance that Captain Severus and Captain Agemman are both one and the same person, for the first name of Agemman is Severus.

Unfortunately, where Captain Severus Agemman gets promoted to lead the 1st Company in GW fluff (thus making room for Sicarius to follow), the Captain Severus in the movie does not and will never get the chance to do so. There goes the continuity.

Now, the computer game is a different case entirely. We don't know yet when the computer game will exactly be set (or do we?). But this is okay, for apparently it's a parallel universe anyways. Also explains for why you get to see some guns in that game that do not exist anywhere in GW's world, such as the Vengeance Launcher.
Reminds me of George Mann likening BL novels with "alternate versions of the world", too.

Lynata wrote: This is funny because it should be either Agemman or Sicarius who is in command (as Sicarius is said to lead the 2nd company "to this day") ...

That's assuming that the movie takes place before the 'current day' in the 40K timeline, rather than after...

The Black Library has moved past the 'current' time in some of their stories. There's no reason to think the movie couldn't have done the same.

Riddick40k wrote:I think we all can agree the Ultrasmurf movie isn't considered anything but wasted cash

In fact - GW get profit from the move and they plan for another one...

Hers some info on Titus from the spacemarine game website:

Captain Titus of the Ultramarines has fought for the Imperium for more than 150 years. Although considered a relatively young Space Marine, he is a decorated veteran of major campaigns waged across the galaxy – his exploits have earned him a reputation as one of the mightiest Ultramarines.

Over his long service, Titus has overcome countless opponents and suffered many wounds, both physical and psychological. In his earliest days, he struggled to overcome his own temper. Later, he survived the death of his entire squad at the hands of a Chaos Sorcerer; Titus killed the fiend, but suffered terrible wounds -- and some questioned how he survived.

Titus became company commander when his predecessor died in battle. He was by his mentor's side when he fell, and still feels the weight of taking over his mantle.

heres the page link: http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spacemarine.com%2Fcharacter%2Fcaptain-titus&ei=yilKTpaAF6TKiAKujt2BBw&usg=AFQjCNFssAt_OdNw57ZFa-1X1fuHKUnqcw

dosen't have any info on the company Titus commands though.........

Realize this. Warhammer 40k exists in a span of over 10000 years, where any number of captains can have risen and fallen. for all we know, titus could have been Sicarius's own Captain, or even Captain following in Sicarius;s Footsteps.

I dunno. I didn't mind the Ultramarines movie nearly as much as you all seemed to...

Well... reading the Lexicanum entry on Ultramarines, the first captain's full name is Severus Agemman... but the ending of the Ultramarines movie would suggest he is no more, if it was to be considered canon...

Obviously, of course, the Captain from Ultramarines isn't the first company captain, but it's possible.

the Ultramarine's Movie captain was NOT the same Severus.

Severus Agemmon is captain of the first company.

the marines in the movie were from the 2nd.

Agemman was Captain of the 2nd before Sicarius, though. As I posted earlier, Sicarius took over when Agemman was promoted to leadership of the 1st company.

3E Marine Codex: 2nd company led by Severus Agemman (composition chart dated 745.M41)
5E Marine Codex: 2nd company led by Cato Sicarius

If the movie has Marines from the 2nd company and their leader is a Captain Severus, I suppose the writers just mixed up the names and they did not catch the fact that the guy was supposed to survive.

Alternatively, if this is yet another Captain of the 2nd Company, then my point stands in that this bunch is burning through Company Captains like a Sororitas Mistress is burning through Repentia Sisters. That movie is set in M41 as well, after all. More specifically, it must be set after 745.M41 too, for the bulk of his Company is busy fighting Tyranids on Algol and those didn't show up before that time.

But as I said, I think they just made a mistake there. No problem there, GW's stance on movies is probably identical to what they think of the "canonicity" of BL novels.

As for the computer game, it's already been established by the devs that it takes place in a parallel universe anyways, so that's sorted.

Its possably set after Sicarius is promoted or dies. sometime in the future of the present date.

Grey Templar wrote:Its possably set after Sicarius is promoted or dies. sometime in the future of the present date.

The movie has been advertised as taking place "in the grim darkness of the 41st millennium", though. And we know Sicarius is Captain until at least its end (999.M41).

I just wouldn't suggest looking for continuity in anything except GW material. Even there things can occasionally not "fit" together, and this only gets worse when you start having even more authors working independently from each other and with a great deal of artistic license.

It says that because it's a reference to the tag-line to the opening scrawl of all BL 40K novels, possibly mis-quoting it (the scrawl reads "grim dark future").

And... yeah, screw the haters, I thought the UM movie was fun. Well worth the money I paid for it, and my DH group really got a kick out of it, especially my players who are not all that familiar with the 40K universe... it helped them get a general sense of how things look.

Lets face it Titus sounds more badass than Scarius.... SO much cooler than captain Jerk

Sicarius would be a BAMF if only he wasn't also a SuBoD(stuck up bag of dirt)

officially pronounced Sue-bod

Grey Templar wrote:Sicarius would be a BAMF if only he wasn't also a SuBoD(stuck up bag of dirt)

officially pronounced Sue-bod

Yep. Lets replace him with Captain Titus!

Captain Titus is now Captain Titus Severus the Awesome.....
Because he is now a stuck up bastard.

Except we have to kill Sicarius off before Sergeant Titus can be promoted.


Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes, chokes to death on his own D-baggery when he finds Calgar painting his new Space Wolf army.

Grey Templar wrote:Except we have to kill Sicarius off before Sergeant Titus can be promoted.


Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes, chokes to death on his own D-baggery when he finds Calgar painting his new Space Wolf army.

lets hope he dies like that.

i am excited for the game, and whether or not it ties directly into the cannon i am not entirely concerned with. it would be easy to explain away a way to get a second company captain in either before, after, or during Sicarious's command.

Anything from Inquisitorial duties, to a religious sabattical, to deathwatch, or a war wound could explain sicarious temporarily bowing out of the company and a temporary field commission could be given to this Titus charector.

either way, dont care, just super psyched to get the game.

It would be cool if you end up serving with Sciarius in Space MArine and when you die he takes your place. Has anyone even confirmed who your 2 partners are in the Campaign?

Surtur wrote:As an Ultramarine player, I can safely put my fingers in my ears and say this about the movie: "LALALALALA DIDN'T HAPPEN LALALALALA!"

Oddly enough this is GW/Black Library corporate motto...

Sc077y wrote:i am excited for the game, and whether or not it ties directly into the cannon i am not entirely concerned with. it would be easy to explain away a way to get a second company captain in either before, after, or during Sicarious's command.

Well, they already explained it by simply saying it happens in a parallel universe.
Like all BL novels, if you'd take George Mann literally.

I'm quite tempted to try the game myself, though. The visuals are rather alluring, especially the latest trailer. Quite cinematic ... Mass Effect-style, if you get my drift.

Off topic: I'm kinda wondering if they tied in Kill Team with Space Marine. Did they name the Forge World in Kill Team?

On Topic: They'll prolly just ignore it or have him be the Second Captain from the 35th Millennium.

Lynata wrote:

Sc077y wrote:i am excited for the game, and whether or not it ties directly into the cannon i am not entirely concerned with. it would be easy to explain away a way to get a second company captain in either before, after, or during Sicarious's command.

Well, they already explained it by simply saying it happens in a parallel universe.
Like all BL novels, if you'd take George Mann literally.

I'm quite tempted to try the game myself, though. The visuals are rather alluring, especially the latest trailer. Quite cinematic ... Mass Effect-style, if you get my drift.

Absolutely...
My theory is this- a great game is a great game! If space marine promises to deliver (and it looks like it will) this will open the war hammer universe to a completely different audience that may never have stepped foot in a hobby store. Additionally, this game could also open up the way for future chapters to have campaigns in the single player story game, allowing us to play and interract with some of our favorite character and chapters throughout their history.

Just imagine a downloadable content expansion that puts you as a blood angel during the war for the palace during the heresy, or a salamander or white scar on istvan IV.

While I am completely and rabidly waiting for this game, I am more excited as to what this game can open up for players and experiences than I am the actual game itself.

There is a lot at stake, and it's about time someone showed that war hammer can be great outside of the RTS genre.

Relic entertainment has their work cut out for them, but if it's done right...

Captain Agemman was captain of the 2nd company during the attack by Hive Fleet Behemoth in 745. He is promoted to captain of the 1st company after Captain Invictus is killed.

We know that Captain Sicarius is captain of the 2nd company in 849 because he's mentioned as such when he's appointed as High Suzerain of Ultramar.

There's 104 years between those two dates when another captain of the 2nd company could have existed. According to his bio he rose through the ranks of the 2nd company. With that in mind, the captain of the 5th company in 745 was called Captain Sicarius who's position is now filled by Captain Galenus. Assuming that this Captain Sicarius is another Sicarius, then that's another captain that has died during that time.


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Captain Titus could be from before Agamman was captain surely?

Of course, this game doesn't have any Tyranids in it. unless I am totally out of it.