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The LRMBT was named after a Guard General named Leman Russ.

THIS IS THE CORRECT ANSWER

GW IS TOO LAZY TO GIVE THE SPACE WOLVES PRIMARCH A DIFFERENT NAME

Commissar Typhus wrote:
The LRMBT was named after a Guard General named Leman Russ.

Later on, the said name was used for a primarch.

Of course this is true from our point as players of the game.

But they have retconned Leman Russ to be the Primarch that the LRBT was named after. the former imperial general no longer exists, and never did, as far as the current fluff situation is concerned.

So the tank was just "coincidentally" named after a Primarch

bombboy1252 wrote:So the tank was just "coincidentally" named after a Primarch

Well, the man and the tank have similar features, tough, hits like a train, and will drink any thing.

So naming the tank after Russ makes sense

Why does nobody ask about Professor Land's name on the Landraider and Landspeeder?

As pointed out in the other recent thread asking the same question, Forge World have tried to normalise the background drift that surrounds the name Leman Russ by naming their new tanks after other Heresy-era commanders, i.e. the Valdor Tank Hunter, Malcador Heavy Tank, etc.

Void__Dragon wrote:Mostly him being an unstable savage in the only material I have ever seen elaborate on the Primarch himself, A Thousand Sons.

Wait, you mean a book written from the point of view of the mortal enemies of the Space Wolves and Leman Russ has a very dim view of the Space Wolves and Leman Russ?

¡El grito de asombro, maldita sea!

Melissia wrote:

Void__Dragon wrote:Mostly him being an unstable savage in the only material I have ever seen elaborate on the Primarch himself, A Thousand Sons.

Wait, you mean a book written from the point of view of the mortal enemies of the Space Wolves and Leman Russ has a very dim view of the Space Wolves and Leman Russ?

¡El grito de asombro, maldita sea!

Let the cry of amazement, damn?

A more correct translation is "the gasp, goddamnit!". But it depends on which Spanish dialect.

I see.

In the middle period between the Imperial Guard commander being Leman Russ and it just being nicely named after him, GW had him being the inventor of the Leman Russ.

Something to do with realising the huge gap in the market for a tank that was easy to fix, run and deadly so he invented the most versatile thing he could (in a similar fashion to the AK47 being the daddy of guns in real life).

AchillesFTW wrote:The LRMBT was named after a Guard General named Leman Russ.

THIS IS THE CORRECT ANSWER

GW IS TOO LAZY TO GIVE THE SPACE WOLVES PRIMARCH A DIFFERENT NAME

If they were too lazy to give the primarch a different name why did they go to the trouble of naming all the other characters with different names?

All hail GW king of rewriting their own fluff

to be fair, the RT era fluff was very odd and needed to be changed to be a little more serious.

GW was still developing the fluff of the universe and was testing ideas out. those that didn't work were retconned away.

Awww looks like we're headed back there with ward writing a quarter of all the armies of 40k and more to come. BA necron frat party, Draigo's special tour through the warp, singlenecrons.com where single necrons looking for other necrons meet.

Yeah that last one isn't true yet.

They need to get someone that's little more competent to write their fluff than ward...

Void__Dragon wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:His basic fluff and the Character of the Space Wolves themselves. they emulate their primarch in character and overall attitude.


Do you have any solid evidence to the contrary?

Mostly him being an unstable savage in the only material I have ever seen elaborate on the Primarch himself, A Thousand Sons.

Now, admittedly, I have only read A Thousand Sons, and haven't been able to acquire Prospero Burns yet, but that's kind of why I asked, I was wondering if in that or any other work he himself was portrayed as anything else. Since there's nothing that really states Russ himself was this super awesome cool dude in the Space Wolves codex.

HH novels are irrelevant. The SW Codex paints the Wolves as a bunch of party-hearty Martys outside the theater of war, and states that their name, of all the Astartes Chapters, is the most popular and well-known across the Imperium. The Codex all but names the Space Wolves as "most popular Space Marines in the eyes of the common citizen. Ever.".

Psienesis wrote:HH novels are irrelevant. The SW Codex paints the Wolves as a bunch of party-hearty Martys outside the theater of war, and states that their name, of all the Astartes Chapters, is the most popular and well-known across the Imperium. The Codex all but names the Space Wolves as "most popular Space Marines in the eyes of the common citizen. Ever.".

I give not a single gak about the "current" Space Wolves, I am personally under the impression that the Space Wolves of the early Imperium are different than those of the current day. It is fallacious to assume Leman Russ and his current batch of Wolves are exactly the same, while they may emulate his ways in battle, they don't seem to emulate his character. The Astartes are not pastiche copies of their respective Primarchs.

If not the HH novels, what should we use to analyze the characters of the Primarchs? Since in the codices themselves not much information is written about them.

Keep in mind, I'm acknowledging that Prospero Burns may portray Russ in a better light (Although from what I hear it doesn't), I am actually asking for any evidence of Russ being approachable or friendly. Because I sure as hell haven't been shown any.

Void__Dragon wrote:

Psienesis wrote:HH novels are irrelevant. The SW Codex paints the Wolves as a bunch of party-hearty Martys outside the theater of war, and states that their name, of all the Astartes Chapters, is the most popular and well-known across the Imperium. The Codex all but names the Space Wolves as "most popular Space Marines in the eyes of the common citizen. Ever.".

I give not a single gak about the "current" Space Wolves, I am personally under the impression that the Space Wolves of the early Imperium are different than those of the current day. It is fallacious to assume Leman Russ and his current batch of Wolves are exactly the same, while they may emulate his ways in battle, they don't seem to emulate his character. The Astartes are not pastiche copies of their respective Primarchs.

If not the HH novels, what should we use to analyze the characters of the Primarchs? Since in the codices themselves not much information is written about them.

Keep in mind, I'm acknowledging that Prospero Burns may portray Russ in a better light (Although from what I hear it doesn't), I am actually asking for any evidence of Russ being approachable or friendly. Because I sure as hell haven't been shown any.

Prospero Burns does in fact have a few scenes of him being understanding, in that he was willing to talk to a character that didn't necessarily warrant his attention as a primarch (can't say much more without spoilers). He wasn't exactly portrayed as friendly, but rather that he had an unassuming attitude and didn't consider other humans as inferior. Because of this, I think the later actions of the SW talked about in the codex (such as the rescue of guardsmen from Armageddon) are entirely keeping with the spirit of the primarch.

As for the tank naming, I think all the existing fluff reasons have already been given, like it or not.

Ruckdog wrote:Prospero Burns does in fact have a few scenes of him being understanding, in that he was willing to talk to a character that didn't necessarily warrant his attention as a primarch (can't say much more without spoilers). He wasn't exactly portrayed as friendly, but rather that he had an unassuming attitude and didn't consider other humans as inferior. Because of this, I think the later actions of the SW talked about in the codex (such as the rescue of guardsmen from Armageddon) are entirely keeping with the spirit of the primarch.

As for the tank naming, I think all the existing fluff reasons have already been given, like it or not.

Oh don't misconstrue my nerdhate to mean I think he shouldn't have a tank named after him, I'm pretty fine with that. To be honest, why not name a tank after a Primarch? And the Leman Russ tank does share traits with the Primarch.

I'll take your word for it on Russ, and am admittedly kind of glad to hear he's not quite as much of a douche as he appeared to be, will try to read Prospero Burns as soon as I can.

Wasn't it because he saved a Forge World during the Heresy and they changed the name of the tank to honour the rescue?

Leman Russ has been the founder of the Space Wolves since first edition, whether founder means Primarch or not?

The first ed has a description of the Space Wolves fortress monastary says:

The Reclusiarch has an office off to one side, and there are three private chapels dedicated to Leman Russ (the Chapters founder) The Emperor Deified and the Emperor Oracular.

AchillesFTW wrote:The LRMBT was named after a Guard General named Leman Russ.

THIS IS THE CORRECT ANSWER

GW IS TOO LAZY TO GIVE THE SPACE WOLVES PRIMARCH A DIFFERENT NAME

lol brilliant. You know it makes a better name for a tank than a primarch.

Pilau Rice wrote:Wasn't it because he saved a Forge World during the Heresy and they changed the name of the tank to honour the rescue?

Leman Russ has been the founder of the Space Wolves since first edition, whether founder means Primarch or not?

The first ed has a description of the Space Wolves fortress monastary says:

The Reclusiarch has an office off to one side, and there are three private chapels dedicated to Leman Russ (the Chapters founder) The Emperor Deified and the Emperor Oracular.

He's even had a model since '89. http://www.solegends.com/citcat89suml/c89suml-070121-2-01.jpg
I'm pretty certain he's always been a Space Wolf.