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Sounds good!

Also,something interesting about the Blood Ravens,is that they are one of the few chapters allowed to know about the GK,possibly due to their high number of psykers.That is how Angelos got his Daemon Hammer.

Angelos got his Daemon Hammer from Inquisitor Toth right before the finaly assault on Bale's forces. There were no Grey Knights involved at that time.
For unknown reasons a number of them assisted the chapter during the Kronos war, but why they did this is unknown.

BluntmanDC wrote:

Uhlan wrote:I really like the Blood Ravens and wish more fluff was written about them.

So you are ignoring the fact that they have a massive amout of fluff about they that actaully outstips some of the first founding combined.

Most of it is by Goto, though, so doesn't really count.

I like the blodd raven because they are interesting and different. i sick of hearing about the bloody smurfs and how giliuman s the best ect ect

i like how they are mysterious and could be one of the deleted chapters

Deadshot wrote:Also,something interesting about the Blood Ravens,is that they are one of the few chapters allowed to know about the GK,possibly due to their high number of psykers.That is how Angelos got his Daemon Hammer.

How do you know this?

iproxtaco wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Also,something interesting about the Blood Ravens,is that they are one of the few chapters allowed to know about the GK,possibly due to their high number of psykers.That is how Angelos got his Daemon Hammer.

How do you know this?

Well that's right on the wiki page, Blood Ravens have been allowed to know about the Grey Knights. "Knowledge is power, guard it well."

Although Angelos was given a hammer by the Inquisitor in the DOW series and not the Grey Knights.

I know that.They are allowed to know about them because they guard their knowledge,and have a high number of psykers.

Deadshot wrote:I know that.They are allowed to know about them because they guard their knowledge,and have a high number of psykers.

All chapters guard knowledge. The Blood Ravens just place a higher importance on it. Incidentally plenty of chapters know about the existance of the Grey Knights.

BluntmanDC wrote:

Uhlan wrote:I really like the Blood Ravens and wish more fluff was written about them.

So you are ignoring the fact that they have a massive amout of fluff about they that actaully outstips some of the first founding combined.

I was being sarcastic...

purplefood wrote:

Deadshot wrote:I know that.They are allowed to know about them because they guard their knowledge,and have a high number of psykers.

All chapters guard knowledge. The Blood Ravens just place a higher importance on it. Incidentally plenty of chapters know about the existance of the Grey Knights.

All the 1st founding(the legions) and the second founding know about them,as they were their when they were formed.

Ravens are just a chapter that popped up and said-"die Xenos scumvbags,die!"

They are unkwown founding have have an unknown primarch.

Deadshot wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Deadshot wrote:I know that.They are allowed to know about them because they guard their knowledge,and have a high number of psykers.

All chapters guard knowledge. The Blood Ravens just place a higher importance on it. Incidentally plenty of chapters know about the existance of the Grey Knights.

All the 1st founding(the legions) and the second founding know about them,as they were their when they were formed.

Ravens are just a chapter that popped up and said-"die Xenos scumvbags,die!"

They are unkwown founding have have an unknown primarch.

That doesn't mark them out as particularly special.

Unlike other chapters,they can't trace their geneseed back to any of the primarchs.This has led to the conclusion of the 1k Sons,as they have the same motto as Magnus and have a disproportionate number of psykers.that not unique?A loyalist chapetr desceneded from a Trator Legion?

So much hate for C.S. Goto, his dawn of war novels were by no means fantastic but parts were good and I think he was the one to first suggest the Thousand Sons link.

As far as I care the Blood Ravens= thousand sons loyalist successor chapter. And arguing against it is being unable to accept any progress in the 40k story line. It breathes a little life into a setting that can become so stagnant.

orz192 wrote:So much hate for C.S. Goto, his dawn of war novels were by no means fantastic but parts were good and I think he was the one to first suggest the Thousand Sons link.

I'm thinking the note about the Grey Knights on the wiki is just the editor's assumption/fantasy based on the Grey Knights appearances in the DOW series. I don't recall anything ever being mentioned about such a relationship between the two chapters, and there is no source cited. That note is also suspiciously absent from Lexicanum.

Deadshot wrote:Unlike other chapters,they can't trace their geneseed back to any of the primarchs.This has led to the conclusion of the 1k Sons,as they have the same motto as Magnus and have a disproportionate number of psykers.that not unique?A loyalist chapetr desceneded from a Trator Legion?

Knowledge is Power is also a phrase used by the Word Bearers. They have a large number of psykers due to the worlds they recruited from. Neither of those are any pointers to a Thousand Sons connection.

Only the Space Wolves know about the Grey Knights from the First founding. The Blood Angels don't, they were mind-wiped (excluding Dante). Select few chapters actually know of them, the Silver Skulls among them, as they point out potential recruits from amongst their own stock.
This connection isn't factual. The Grey Knights are in the game, the Blood Ravens were likely mind-wiped afterwards if the situation were real. They are also less likely to be trusted by the Grey Knights due to their quest for knowledge, which makes them vulnerable to corruption, like the Thousand Sons.

If the DOW series is not a sufficient indicator, the story in Age of Darkness is certainly a strong one.


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If the DOW series is not a sufficient indicator, the story in Age of Darkness is certainly a strong one.

Not familiar enough with it to be fair, although I'm all for a connection if there's proof. No need to beat down every possible piece of evidence if any such exist, its just that neither of those are pointers for reasons I've explained.

iproxtaco wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Unlike other chapters,they can't trace their geneseed back to any of the primarchs.This has led to the conclusion of the 1k Sons,as they have the same motto as Magnus and have a disproportionate number of psykers.that not unique?A loyalist chapetr desceneded from a Trator Legion?

Knowledge is Power is also a phrase used by the Word Bearers. They have a large number of psykers due to the worlds they recruited from. Neither of those are any pointers to a Thousand Sons connection.

Only the Space Wolves know about the Grey Knights from the First founding. The Blood Angels don't, they were mind-wiped (excluding Dante). Select few chapters actually know of them, the Silver Skulls among them, as they point out potential recruits from amongst their own stock.
This connection isn't factual. The Grey Knights are in the game, the Blood Ravens were likely mind-wiped afterwards if the situation were real. They are also less likely to be trusted by the Grey Knights due to their quest for knowledge, which makes them vulnerable to corruption, like the Thousand Sons.

What about the Excorsists,supossed decsendents of GK.

Deadshot wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Unlike other chapters,they can't trace their geneseed back to any of the primarchs.This has led to the conclusion of the 1k Sons,as they have the same motto as Magnus and have a disproportionate number of psykers.that not unique?A loyalist chapetr desceneded from a Trator Legion?

Knowledge is Power is also a phrase used by the Word Bearers. They have a large number of psykers due to the worlds they recruited from. Neither of those are any pointers to a Thousand Sons connection.

Only the Space Wolves know about the Grey Knights from the First founding. The Blood Angels don't, they were mind-wiped (excluding Dante). Select few chapters actually know of them, the Silver Skulls among them, as they point out potential recruits from amongst their own stock.
This connection isn't factual. The Grey Knights are in the game, the Blood Ravens were likely mind-wiped afterwards if the situation were real. They are also less likely to be trusted by the Grey Knights due to their quest for knowledge, which makes them vulnerable to corruption, like the Thousand Sons.

What about the Excorsists,supossed decsendents of GK.

What about them? Seriously, be more specific, as currently I see no relevance in that point.

Apologies.Do they know about the GK?

Yes, I assume so. They're Daemonhunters as well, more expendable but less effective. They're rumored to be made from GK geneseed. I see no reason for them not to know about who are likely their closest allies. They're pretty much free of corruption so there's little risk involved.

Free of corruption?You being serioud here?They actually allow themselves to be possessed,in order to better fight Daemons!The Daemon is banished by an Inquisitor,later,after which they are immune to possession,but they were still willingly possessed.That is why they have 2 extra scout companies.

Source?

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Exorcists

I kinda wantedto bring up a few points then I remembered...

1. Blood Ravens are from a computer game. (Thus have no real relevance to my vision of 40k)

2. Grey Knights have no business having their own codex. (Thus my extreme hatred for their models/codex)

Blood Ravens also have a few novels,which I believe the game was based on.I have one in front of me.Dawn of War 2.

Deadshot wrote:Blood Ravens also have a few novels,which I believe the game was based on.I have one in front of me.Dawn of War 2.

The novels were based on the games. Blood Ravens were created by the video games' developer, Relic.

Deadshot wrote:Free of corruption?You being serioud here?They actually allow themselves to be possessed,in order to better fight Daemons!The Daemon is banished by an Inquisitor,later,after which they are immune to possession,but they were still willingly possessed.That is why they have 2 extra scout companies.

It makes sense in light of the revised GK being all radicals instead of puritans.