Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Deadshot wrote:Free of corruption?You being serioud here?They actually allow themselves to be possessed,in order to better fight Daemons!The Daemon is banished by an Inquisitor,later,after which they are immune to possession,but they were still willingly possessed.That is why they have 2 extra scout companies.

Yes, they're pretty much free of corruption due to their possession. It makes it harder for Daemons to do it again, harder for them to be corrupted, and better against Daemons as their souls don't register to all but the most powerful.

They have to be corrupted to become Excorcists.So theycan't be free of corruption.

Deadshot wrote:They have to be corrupted to become Excorcists.So theycan't be free of corruption.

They're possessed by a Daemon. The Daemon is then banished from them, making them more resistant to corruption. Their souls are near invisible to Daemons, so yes, they are free of corruption.

During that time,they are corrupted.Once corrupted,they will always have a dark taint in them.

Deadshot wrote:During that time,they are corrupted.Once corrupted,they will always have a dark taint in them.

And the point of this possession is to make them resistant, which you don't seem to understand.

purplefood wrote:I disagree with #5...
Also i'm with Omegus, i don't understand all of the love for Angelos?

That voice could move mountains man...

iproxtaco wrote:

Deadshot wrote:During that time,they are corrupted.Once corrupted,they will always have a dark taint in them.

And the point of this possession is to make them resistant, which you don't seem to understand.

No I don't understand.Astartes,especially the Grey Knights from which they were originally dirived,are already resistent to possession.Why would you actually want to be possessed,regardless of outcome?IMO,they are Heretics and Traitors,who invite Daemons into the Real Space.

Yes, and then they immediately banish them.

Doesn't matter what they do with them.They allow themselves to be possessed and corrupted.How is that any different from a CSM?

They do it so that they can more effectively fight Demons.

Deadshot wrote:Doesn't matter what they do with them.They allow themselves to be possessed and corrupted.How is that any different from a CSM?

Because the Daemon is banished from their bodies in order to serve a purpose that they are loyal to. Their souls are now invisible to all but the most powerful Daemons, it makes them very hard to corrupt, like the Grey Knights, whose souls hurt Daemons.

They are redundant then.If they were already hard to corrupt,and hurtDaemons that attempted posseission,why be invisible.Surely you would want them to attempt it so they are hurt.Hiding is not what an Astartes does.Hiding is for assassins,and cowards.

What are you talking about? Use the Space Bar, it helps. Are you saying that the Exorcists are redundant because the Grey Knights exist? No, because the former are far more expendable. Their SOULS are invisible. It means that less powerful Daemons can't possess them as easily, they're still perfectly visible to the eye. Any advantage is a good thing, being hard to detect certainly is an advantage. Are you thinking that all Space Marines have souls that hurt Daemons? Because that's a trait that only the Grey Knights have, thanks to the processes that create them.

Grey Knight souls hurt Daemons.Exorcist souls arer invisible to them.So why would you need a chapter that is invisible to Daemons,when already hacve a chapter that hurts them,which are the forebearers to the former.

Actually that raises a question for me.

The Exorcists are derived form the GK.So the Original Exorcists had to be pure GK.So how would the GK get possessed if they hurt Daemons for mere contact or whatever?

Deadshot wrote:Grey Knight souls hurt Daemons.Exorcist souls arer invisible to them.So why would you need a chapter that is invisible to Daemons,when already hacve a chapter that hurts them,which are the forebearers to the former.

Because the Exorcists are expendable compared to them, and are more numerous. The Grey Knights cant be everywhere at once, only the most dire of incursions warrant their full attention. The Exorcists are 'cheaper', are expendable, and are easier to train, and the Inquisition wont have to go around killing more people than the Daemons did to keep them a secret.

Actually that raises a question for me.

The Exorcists are derived form the GK.So the Original Exorcists had to be pure GK.So how would the GK get possessed if they hurt Daemons for mere contact or whatever?

You misunderstand how the Chapter is formed. It's rumored that Grey Knight geneseed was used. It's not this that makes their souls hurt Daemons, its their training and conditioning. The first Exorcist was just an anonymous human taken from his world and brought up as a Space Marine, not a previous Grey Knight.

Both points considererd,I still think they are going to betray the Imperium,eventually.

Nah, they wont, if you still think that then you still don't understand what makes the Exorcists highly resistant to corruption, more so than all other Chapters, excluding the Grey Knights of course.

I completely understand.I just think they shouldn't be trusted.I am just one of those people.

The thing is if the GK will know the origins of the Blood ravens and if they are connected to a traitor legion then they will treat them with mistrust.

That is the whole point.No one knows who the Ravens descended from,or what primarch they served.It is possible they were one of the missing legions,but the theory about the 1k sons is the most likely.

Deadshot wrote:They are redundant then.If they were already hard to corrupt,and hurtDaemons that attempted posseission,why be invisible.Surely you would want them to attempt it so they are hurt.Hiding is not what an Astartes does.Hiding is for assassins,and smart people.

Fixed that for you.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Deadshot wrote:I completely understand.I just think they shouldn't be trusted.I am just one of those people.

If anything they are one of the few chapters that wouldn't fall.

I mean I am just a person that is mistrustful of unorthodox practise.Possession by Daemons?Yeah,while I am at it,I might just cut my groin off with a butter knife,and jump off a ten storey building.

Deadshot wrote:I mean I am just a person that is mistrustful of unorthodox practise.Possession by Daemons?Yeah,while I am at it,I might just cut my groin off with a butter knife,and jump off a ten storey building.

Well clearly the traditional way of fighting them wasn't working too great.
IG can't fight them.
Normal SM can be overwhelmed.
GK can't be everywhere.
So maybe a chapter of GK light can help with the problem.

Maybe,but I don't like them.

I prefer the standard,"FOR THE EMPEROR!CHARGE!", thing that nilla marines do.

No accounting for taste i suppose...

It is a simple case of love for the classics.

Yeah classics...
38,000 years in the future.

Deadshot wrote:No I don't understand.Astartes,especially the Grey Knights from which they were originally dirived,are already resistent to possession.Why would you actually want to be possessed,regardless of outcome?IMO,they are Heretics and Traitors,who invite Daemons into the Real Space.

This is part of the background of 40K that harks back to the Illuminati. Those who have been possessed and exorcised the demon are actually as resistant (or more so in older fluff) to further Chaos incursion than even the Grey Knights. It's the same principle behind tempering a blade to make it stronger, or any of the immunizations you may have received over the course of your life.

A Grey Knight's resistance to Chaos is a hazmat suit of wards, sacred rites, and psychological and psychic conditioning. An Exorcist's resistance is that of a vaccine.

I know the Illuminati.Never heard that part before,but you have peaked my interest,not an easy thing to do,and I give.

Spacebar. It's a good thing.