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I suppose they are, but it's a good kind of cartoonish, as opposed to, say some of the older Greenskin models from... well, before I started playing, so pre-6th edition, possibly pre-5th.

I like the ogre and green skin cartoonish look.
How ever if you look at the dragon ogres in the chaos book then well ya ugly cartoony.

It's mostly down to the bright, happy way 'Eavy Metal paints things. They paint bright and cartoony, so it ends up looking bright and cartoony. Anything can look more grimdark with a more grimdark paint job. Just look at all the weathered Tau that don't look so goody goody.

sydewynder wrote:I find the older models to be far more cartoon like.

In fact I may have to propose that High/Dark Elf Spearmen get Thunderstomp to represent them smacking thier foes with thier rediculously over-sized hands.

Yeah I noticed that, I got a Dark Elf Warriors set to use for conversions into my Dark Eldar, and they don't fit right, even on the retro D. Eldar stuff. It is messed up.

DukeRustfield wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:Ogres are hardly cartoony and the new models are very crisp looking.

I think it's more the subject. Not the detail. Cartoony doesn't necessarily mean smeared or low-detail. It means more silly/goofy.

I dunno how silly it is, but I want to be on his side, and not the guy he is angry at. I mean...dude....that's cool.

If the beast had better proportions and the wheels were bigger it would be cool.

Making that poor beastie pull all that stuff is more cruel than cool.
And those wheels need a nice new road sans pot holes to work. Anything else and it will just keep getting stuck!

It would only work in the crazy non adhering to the laws of physics world of cartoons.

It would work if it pulled it over perfect concrete roads. But Ogres live in the mountains. And if that cannon was filled with grape jelly instead of gunpowder it would also work. But as it is, it would kill that poor creature and flip the whole thing over.

You got a guy basically holding onto a naval gun as if it didn't have any recoil. That's cartoony.

Leadbelchers are cartoony too. But they are at least in the realm of possibility.

DukeRustfield wrote: And if that cannon was filled with grape jelly instead of gunpowder it would also work. But as it is, it would kill that poor creature and flip the whole thing over.

You havn't seen the misfire chart.

lets just say you don't want to misfire with it(although it only has a 1/36 chance as it rolls 2 artillery dice and picks the highest, with a misfire being a zero for this purpose)

I knew I should have toyned left at Alborkoykey!

But that is a misfire, as for example Bugs Bunny plugs the barrel with a large ogre carrot, the cannon goes boom and the barrel curls back like the petals of a big bronze lily. The smoke clears leaving the ogre black with soot, which slowly falls to the ground in a pile leaving just the eyes.
They finally drop on to the sooty heap.

Normal firing causes a recoil. The ogre, cart and all fly bacwards into the mountain side flattening the ogre who then peels off the rock wall. After flopping down a rock fall lands on his head.

abbabbadabbadaba that's all folks!

I think a lot of the problem has to do with their paint jobs as was mentioned before. They are going with much warmer tones and brighter colors and painting so that details pop out. The problem is they're over doing it which assaults the eye with too many things to look at. For instance, the new paint style they're doing for the ogres is very cool, but very complex and catchy. Combine that with the new pink skin that covers the body and all of the extreme highlights and the turquoise that they're throwing in, it's just a lot to take in.

A big gripe (among many) I had of the new storm of magic models was their tropical bird colorings. Bright whimsical colors were abundant in the paint jobs. It really killed my interest in the models and made it hard for me to appreciate the model itself and it's details.

DukeRustfield wrote:
You got a guy basically holding onto a naval gun as if it didn't have any recoil. That's cartoony.

Ah, you underestimate the recoil absorbency of an Ogre's belly

Yeah, the new models are looking pretty cartoony looking, mind you a mammoth model for the ogres would be nice.

Those stupid monkeys. Damn you Ward, damn you.

Don't blame Ward for the Jokaero.

That was all leftover from before he was even at the company, and the current model is actually an improvement over the originals.

I know I know, , but still...was it his decision to bring them back? I know they were around back in the old days, but I kind of thought they were left buried until he thought it clever to bring them back.

The Jokaero were actually still around, just in the background and mentioned as craftsmen of finely-built Digital Weapons.

And I sincerely doubt it was just his decision. It smells like a Cruddace, seeing as how he brought back "Hotshot" Lasguns.

Why the hate for hotshots?

In warhammer logic I always thought it made sense. Lasguns are adjustable, considering relatively few changes are required in order to change one from an assault rifle to a sniper rifle.

Unless you like the name hellgun better than hotshot, or whatever it was.

"Hellgun" is the term for a high powered laser weapon with a backpack or waist-mounted powerpack with cooling systems. It's an assault weapon, pure and simple. It's also not a "lasgun".

"Hotshot" is the term for an overcharged Lasgun powerpack, specifically in common usage for long barreled Lasguns assigned to marksmen.

And by the way: Lasguns aren't as adjustable as you think. Long-Las variants can't be turned into a standard lasgun and vice versa.

But that's kind of OT.

OT indeed, but still very interesting stuff. I thank you for the information, I'm 100% IG when it comes to 40k, and that's a particularly juicy bit of info considering I LURV kasrkins. I hope I don't incite OT rage by this, but is there a good source of info on lasguns? I appearantly don't understand my own standard firearm, and this won't do.

The Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer, any of the RPG supplements, etc.

The new TK ones were somewhat...the new Ogre ones look more like WoW than Warhammer. Not good at all.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:I knew I should have toyned left at Alborkoykey!

But that is a misfire, as for example Bugs Bunny plugs the barrel with a large ogre carrot, the cannon goes boom and the barrel curls back like the petals of a big bronze lily. The smoke clears leaving the ogre black with soot, which slowly falls to the ground in a pile leaving just the eyes.
They finally drop on to the sooty heap.

Normal firing causes a recoil. The ogre, cart and all fly bacwards into the mountain side flattening the ogre who then peels off the rock wall. After flopping down a rock fall lands on his head.

abbabbadabbadaba that's all folks!

Does the fluff actually state that the ogre stands there as the cannon fires? When I look at the model, I see it as a "limbered" version of the cannon. The ogre gets down before he fires, then goes to the front to reload. Unlike a real cannon, he can simply hop back on and drive off immediately rather than having to relimber his cannon to the cart, and he can have the gnoblar climb to the front of the barrel to reload while driving, hence the move and fire ability.

I've finally figured it out! I've finally figured out what's been bugging me about the Ogre models we've seen!

It's the verdigris effect that is so rampant throughout the photographs. That turquoisey-blue rust effect, while nice, isn't being offset by anything else and is really quite overpowering. The models are all painted in fairly bright colors, and it definitely does not help to have that effect being left unbalanced.

I thought the same thing! I miss the rust.

I think the paint is too clean. It's like the early days of photoshop or 3D graphics when everything looked just too spit-shined.

Of course, I couldn't paint 1/10000000th as good as they do, so I'm not one to talk. But I think the models are still a bit cartoony regardless of paint.

Kanluwen wrote:I've finally figured it out! I've finally figured out what's been bugging me about the Ogre models we've seen!

It's the verdigris effect that is so rampant throughout the photographs. That turquoisey-blue rust effect, while nice, isn't being offset by anything else and is really quite overpowering. The models are all painted in fairly bright colors, and it definitely does not help to have that effect being left unbalanced.

What you are seeing is the effect of Copper becoming tarnished. You know those green statues that stand around in public parks and squares? they all used to be Bronze, but people like the tarnished look(and it becomes tarnished with exposure anyway)

I actually think its kinda cool for them to have other metals other then rusty Iron(although its much simpler for me to paint)

Grey Templar wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I've finally figured it out! I've finally figured out what's been bugging me about the Ogre models we've seen!

It's the verdigris effect that is so rampant throughout the photographs. That turquoisey-blue rust effect, while nice, isn't being offset by anything else and is really quite overpowering. The models are all painted in fairly bright colors, and it definitely does not help to have that effect being left unbalanced.

What you are seeing is the effect of Copper becoming tarnished. You know those green statues that stand around in public parks and squares? they all used to be Bronze, but people like the tarnished look(and it becomes tarnished with exposure anyway)

I actually think its kinda cool for them to have other metals other then rusty Iron(although its much simpler for me to paint)

I know what verdigris is. There's a reason I picked that specific word for it.

The problem is, like I said, that they did it all across the entirety of the army and made it look very 'uniform', and didn't do anything to really make it look like verdigris. They just made a turquoise wash over it.


That's an example of verdigris in the Prague Underground. If it looked like that, rather than just turquoise...it'd be a bit different, and wouldn't look so cartoony. As it stands now, it looks like Warcraft's examples of tarnished copper and bronze.

No big deal, most of my army is painted already. and most people will continue to paint it their way.

I am not a fan of the Skin color. Ogres are supposed to be grey like the strong mountains, not soft and pink like the Thinlings.

Indeed. That verdigris has been bugging me and making me think of it a bit 'cartoony'. With rust and verdigris both within an overall army, I think it'd go a long way towards making the Ogres look less cartoony.

The fleshtone thing I'm very 'meh' about though. The grey was a bit too waxy looking, they needed to flesh it up a smidge.

Thats why I mix in a little Bestial Brown with my Codex Grey for my Ogre skin.

its still definitly grey, but it has a fleshy look to it that still communicates bare skin.

I would have used Dheneb Stone or even Tallarn Flesh myself.