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gpfunk wrote:Unless the orks on planet have some supa blasta mega deth kannon for just such an occasion

Wait, Orks need a REASON to build a supa blasta mega deth kannon?

Sort of like Armageddon to me.
If, and its a big *if* to me the Orks take such a beating on said planet, what are they going to do?

Fall back?
Retreat?
Negotiate?
Surrender?

Uhm lads, these are Orks. They know they are going in for a fight of their lives, so Gazzy calls Naz who calls Tuska (from da warp!) who calls GrimKrump who calls.....
You get the idea.....

It simply becomes another uber-war for the Orks where they either:
get bigger
get stronger
get mad
get out
(ooooops get out? then come back even more aggressive)

The WE has been mentioned to "nuke the Orks". It itself has been nuked. Not relevant.

I like the Orks but I dont think they are unbeatable. However some of the Cron fanboi'ism here is a bit OTT.

PS for the "hypothetical space fights" - have you guys played BFG or is this just fluff armor gone mad?

We need to take into account ALL angles

True, it is logical to assume that the orks have their own fleet, and the OP says "necron fleet" and necron fleets don't always include WE. In fact, there has only been one in recorded history.

If the necron get their once-off death star, the orks get several hundred space hulks and a super mega deth cannon designed to blow up moons

Whoever the dicegods decide!

Blackhoof wrote:True, it is logical to assume that the orks have their own fleet, and the OP says "necron fleet" and necron fleets don't always include WE. In fact, there has only been one in recorded history.

If the necron get their once-off death star, the orks get several hundred space hulks and a super mega deth cannon designed to blow up moons

yep. people keep forgeting the ork fleets are pretty damn powerful when gathered.

Lol, ork fleets! I am laughing at the orkiness of them, not the impossibility.

Kroozers, rokks, kill-kroozers, bigger rokks, fighta bombas with rebreathers, the possibilities go on and on.

-cgmckenzie

Meh, I just assume they'll win any fight. Simply because they lust after it. They'll never tire of waaaagh.

I'm sure orks would put up a nasty fight, I mean they were created by old ones for fighting the necrons, like the eldar and many others. But then again:

The world engine got defeated when that space marine chapter rammed into its shields and then boarded it... well, me thinks tens of thousands of ork SHIPS ramming it then boarding it, world engine is almost no threat to a waaaagh fleet

I guess the Imperium would come out on top of this one.

Toastedandy wrote:I guess the Imperium would come out on top of this one.

Exactly

Necrons. The idea that they might land is ridiculous. Necron fleets are the most advanced in the galaxy. In BFG their light cruisers and escorts are capable of wiping away battleships and heavy cruisers. Their tombships are I believe the best in the game (with a points cost to reflect this). Whilst orks are gutsy and innovative, I don't think they would have time to mount a real defensive before the necrons simply removed all orc ships in orbit, and then started scouring the planet.

However, of course there is the distinct possibility that Gork and Mork might take interest in such a scuffle, and dozens of ork ships would be attracted to the area, and the necrons would suddenly face an active fleet of crooza's.

Then it much more in the hands of fate!

i think the necrons would (assuming they beat the fleet) teleport down troops and begin harvesting, instead of just glassing the orks.

Zalmout wrote:The only way to stop Ork spores from popping out is to incinerate/completely destroy the corpse. Gauss weapons would cause serious damage, but not enough to stop the spores from releasing. I think orkz would come out on top just cause theyz da biggest and da strongest!

Haha, gotta agree Dem Necronz ain't no match for da boyz!

Though, to be fair, it doesn't matter who wins, the orks will enjoy the tough competition, and as far as I know, they don't particularly care

Isn't this what the game is for? Why not go and find out?

Void__Dragon wrote:

Orks exist to die and be hilarious, Eldar to die and be tragic.

this.

This is simple and can be answered with a few questions. Kind of like a choose your own adventure..

Is the new necron codex out yet? No? Orks win.

When the new necron codex comes out, is it as bad as SoB? Yes? Orks win.

With the new necron codex are they on par with (or at least somewhat close to) the Grey Knights ? Yes? Orks die horribly and permenantly.
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Ignoring all that for a moment, we can discuss the purpose behind the Old Ones making the Eldar, Orks and Humans.

Orks - Assault with complete abandon; raining down Roks as necessary. Purpose is to distract the necrons with their hordes. In other words, cannon fodder.

Humans - Provide heavy support with advanced weapons. Take out big targets.

Eldar - Surgical strikes against command and control.


All Three - Provide enough "fuel" for the Chaos Gods to wipe out the c'tan.

Tyranids - Eat the left overs, effectively wiping the slate clean, so the Old Ones can return and start over.

I think given the fluff, this is the only way to truly beat the necrons. Individually, they would all fail.

Old Thraka would find out his boys are about to get rolled and then, Attack the fleet single handed Krumping them all!

Do you guys REALLY want Orks to take a look at a World Eater type vessel and decide THEY want one?

Hell, Ork force field technology in some ways rivals the Necron shields.

Melissia wrote:Hell, Ork force field technology in some ways rivals the Necron shields.

How so?

And actually, if this is an Ork empire the size of Ultramar, like was said, they should have a pretty large fleet, so them destroying the World Engine in the same way the Imperium did isn't impossible.

Melissia wrote:Do you guys REALLY want Orks to take a look at a World Eater type vessel and decide THEY want one?

Hell, Ork force field technology in some ways rivals the Necron shields.

That's rather what I'd been thinking - Ork technology seems to adapt and improve to equal whatever they're pitted against. They see a titan, presume it's the Emperor, and build gargants. What they might create once they've seen the World Engine or Planet Killer...

I'd say the Necrons would win. The Blood Angels would be the decisive factor

As Krorks were created specificaly to defeat the necrons and enslaver outbreaks, I'd proffer the Orks stand an excellent chance of pounding on necrons. Their weird tech, ability ability to manufacture interstellar attack ships from...rocks and profligate capacity to manufacture new arms and orks makes them an ideal opponent. PLus we've not seen what the capacities of necrons are at this point.

It has to be remembered, before the enslavers came the necrons were losing to the eldar/Krork/New Races. Since that time the greenskins have expanded across the galaxy. While necron tech is potent, their capacity may be extremely limited at this point.

The humble Ork, saving the galaxy yet again.


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woodbok wrote:If the OP means the world engine, then Orks lose. By far. This is the order of what happened.

Necrons shoot with world engine.
Orks all dead.
Necrons win.

World engine appears in system. Orks turn planet into giant mega Hulk/gargant/unicron/living embodiment of Mork (or was it Gork) using string, silly putty, a Cadian Army Knife (TM) and some good old fashioned Orky know how. Planet transforms into Orky unicron for some proper krumpin! Orky unicron eats world engine. Orky unicorn belches.


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Formosa wrote:The world engine got defeated when that space marine chapter rammed into its shields and then boarded it... well, me thinks tens of thousands of ork SHIPS ramming it then boarding it, world engine is almost no threat to a waaaagh fleet

Indeed. Its not a threat, its a target with a great green X on it. Think of all the joyour krumping opportunities to be had by the orks. It would be hard to keep them off of it. It would be like Orky Vegas.

And thats the problem for the necrons. What other races fear, orks think of as recreation.

English Assassin wrote:That's rather what I'd been thinking - Ork technology seems to adapt and improve to equal whatever they're pitted against. They see a titan, presume it's the Emperor, and build gargants. What they might create once they've seen the World Engine or Planet Killer...

The gap between Necron and Ork technology is vastly greater than the gap between Imperium and Ork technology.

At best the Orks could consturct the "Poor man's" version of the World Engine.

Frazzled wrote:It has to be remembered, before the enslavers came the necrons were losing to the eldar/Krork/New Races.

Yeah, after millions of years of C'tan rule, after the C'tan crushed the Old Ones and ruled the galaxy. The Old Ones and their child races only were able to make a last offensive after the C'tan empire became fractured, having finished devouring themselves. Before that, the C'tan and their Necron servants held undisputed rule of the galaxy.

The only reason the Orks might be able to destroy the World Engine is because it's been placed in a pretty large Ork Empire in this scenario, the Necrons being vastly outnumbered, one massively powerful ship against numerous weaker ones.

Though, how large would an Ork Empire the size of Ultramar's fleet be?

Funnily if it wasn't for human racism - orks would more then gladly fight for the humans (provided they give them more dakka and more choppa) then against them - orks are smart in a sense that if they can make fighting easier, better, louder they will do it.

and clearly they have empires since orks have currency - you wouldn't need currency if you don't have an established government.

yevix wrote:Funnily if it wasn't for human racism - orks would more then gladly fight for the humans (provided they give them more dakka and more choppa) then against them - orks are smart in a sense that if they can make fighting easier, better, louder they will do it.

and clearly they have empires since orks have currency - you wouldn't need currency if you don't have an established government.

Only one Ork Clan regularly trades with and deals with humans, and even they do so for the inherent humor in turning human weaponry against the people they got it from.

Orks will fight anything, for the sake of fighting.

Void__Dragon wrote:

yevix wrote:Funnily if it wasn't for human racism - orks would more then gladly fight for the humans (provided they give them more dakka and more choppa) then against them - orks are smart in a sense that if they can make fighting easier, better, louder they will do it.

and clearly they have empires since orks have currency - you wouldn't need currency if you don't have an established government.

Only one Ork Clan regularly trades with and deals with humans, and even they do so for the inherent humor in turning human weaponry against the people they got it from.

Orks will fight anything, for the sake of fighting.

Exactly - so if a planet of humans offered orks a deal "we give you weapons and ammo better ships for travel but you will have to fight the biggest and baddest scariest guys out there but you leave us alone" do you think the orks would say no....they would Clearly join up with them so long as you don't stop their orkyness heck they might enjoy using well made finely crafter imperium weapons (orks with las-cannons and power halberds)

yevix wrote:

Void__Dragon wrote:

yevix wrote:Funnily if it wasn't for human racism - orks would more then gladly fight for the humans (provided they give them more dakka and more choppa) then against them - orks are smart in a sense that if they can make fighting easier, better, louder they will do it.

and clearly they have empires since orks have currency - you wouldn't need currency if you don't have an established government.

Only one Ork Clan regularly trades with and deals with humans, and even they do so for the inherent humor in turning human weaponry against the people they got it from.

Orks will fight anything, for the sake of fighting.

Exactly - so if a planet of humans offered orks a deal "we give you weapons and ammo better ships for travel but you will have to fight the biggest and baddest scariest guys out there but you leave us alone" do you think the orks would say no....they would Clearly join up with them so long as you don't stop their orkyness heck they might enjoy using well made finely crafter imperium weapons (orks with las-cannons and power halberds)

but think about it.
Then the orks would at the end think oh de humys are weak lets attack them after they big guyz be done withz!
The imperium would come in wipe the orks out and then ork empire ended.

yevix wrote:Exactly - so if a planet of humans offered orks a deal "we give you weapons and ammo better ships for travel but you will have to fight the biggest and baddest scariest guys out there but you leave us alone" do you think the orks would say no....they would Clearly join up with them so long as you don't stop their orkyness heck they might enjoy using well made finely crafter imperium weapons (orks with las-cannons and power halberds)

There is a reason the average Waaagh! goes strong for a while before it eventually collapses in on itself.

The Orks will eventually turn on the humans.

This happens all the time. People bribe orks with weapons, which barely leave the human's hands before being shot at humans. It says so right in the ork codex!

-cgmckenzie

Listen No race can get rid of the Orks, not the enslavers, not the necrons , not even the goddamn emperor of mankind.