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Thread title sums it up, necron fleet attacks an ork empire, do the orks get atomised or do the necrons get krumped? Discuss.

Necrons. The Orks would eventually die out, because when they get atomized by Gauss weapons, no spores are released.

This is a vary vague question. How big an Empire? How many Necrons? Who is leading the Orks? Who is leading the Necrons? Way too many variables are not given.

The only way to stop Ork spores from popping out is to incinerate/completely destroy the corpse. Gauss weapons would cause serious damage, but not enough to stop the spores from releasing. I think orkz would come out on top just cause theyz da biggest and da strongest!

Thought ork spores were released during life as well as during death?

And the ork empire is the size of let's say ultramar, and the necron fleet is of a fairly large size, perhaps same strength as the fleet that ultimately lost but took the astral claws with them?



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Personally my money is on this battle taking a VERY long time, and producing some extremely mean orks at the end of it, ultimately I suspect the necrons may emerge victorious

Depends on who is wearing the plot armor really. However my money is on necrons since you've said fleet.

Mechanized Space Corps wrote:And the ork empire is the size of let's say ultramar, and the necron fleet is of a fairly large size, perhaps same strength as the fleet that ultimately lost but took the astral claws with them?

What, the World Engine?

The Necrons wipe all the Ork worlds of life completely without ever having to leave their ships.

Ultimately it's a question of narrative significance; frankly the Orks (and Eldar) are, after the Imperium and Ruinous Powers, the most central of the Warhammer 40,000's universe's pillars, while the Necrons (like the Tau) are an optional extra, so I wouldn't anticipate it being established in canon that the off-brand Terminators can simply annihilate the greenskins.

English Assassin wrote:Ultimately it's a question of narrative significance; frankly the Orks (and Eldar) are, after the Imperium and Ruinous Powers, the most central of the Warhammer 40,000's universe's pillars, while the Necrons (like the Tau) are an optional extra, so I wouldn't anticipate it being established in canon that the off-brand Terminators can simply annihilate the greenskins.

Funny, since the Orks and Eldar tend to lose and get annihilated more often than any other faction.

Orks exist to die and be hilarious, Eldar to die and be tragic.

World Engine vs. an ork planet? The Necrons win so fast you can't even blink. I highly doubt they'd do anything more then hit the planet a few times with whatever God-sized Pylons they've got on that thing and then zip off again

Necrons. A molecular desintegrator is molecular desintegrator ( no spores - no Orks ).

If the OP means the world engine, then Orks lose. By far. This is the order of what happened.

Necrons shoot with world engine.
Orks all dead.
Necrons win.

Woulda thought the orks would have a fair few ships/roks drifting about to defend their empire, I'm not talking about feral orkz I mean da reel fing! Orksez aint gonner worry bout casulteyz like da oomies! Ram da buggerz!

I'm surprise the 'Crons haven't gone after the Orks more. You think they'd be scattered on quite a few tombworlds and they're a race teeming with lives.

Pretty sure the Necrons would win cause if it looked like it was going bad they could ring up Dante and have the BA come to the party, thank you Matt Ward, thank you.

AustonT wrote:Pretty sure the Necrons would win cause if it looked like it was going bad they could ring up Dante and have the BA come to the party, thank you Matt Ward, thank you.

Oh come on not this gak again.

Internet, let it go.

No. It was a dumb piece of fluff that should have never made it into print. Matt Ward will pay for his crimes.

What piece of fluff are you referring to with this whole necron/blood angels love affair? Thought the necrons hated all life? :S

Void__Dragon wrote:

English Assassin wrote:Ultimately it's a question of narrative significance; frankly the Orks (and Eldar) are, after the Imperium and Ruinous Powers, the most central of the Warhammer 40,000's universe's pillars, while the Necrons (like the Tau) are an optional extra, so I wouldn't anticipate it being established in canon that the off-brand Terminators can simply annihilate the greenskins.

Funny, since the Orks and Eldar tend to lose and get annihilated more often than any other faction.

Orks exist to die and be hilarious, Eldar to die and be tragic.

That's rather missing the point; they're not going to be destroyed by something of significantly less narrative importance.

Mechanized Space Corps wrote:What piece of fluff are you referring to with this whole necron/blood angels love affair? Thought the necrons hated all life? :S

It is mostly blown out of proportion, and tossed around by people who haven't read it. Basically Blood Angels are fighting necrons in a stalemate. Then The Nids show up, and both forces decide they are a bigger threat and fight off the Nids. It is never actually said they are working as a team. The Tyranids lose and both forces are too weak to fight each other and leave. The part blown out of proportion is at the end it says the blood angels were reluctant to fight Necrons anyway.

English Assassin wrote:That's rather missing the point; they're not going to be destroyed by something of significantly less narrative importance.

And you're sort of missing the point of a thread like this, which is to analyze their capabilities from an in-universe standpoint, not a narrative one.

And the Necrons, when they show up, tend not be destroyed so easily. You could argue the Tyranids are more narratively relevant than the Necrons at the moment. That doesn't change the fact that every time Necrons have engaged Tyranids, they were destroyed.

In universe, orks will be atomized. The necrons could never even slow the ship to a halt when driving by the planet to blow it away.

It really isn't a fair fight. Hell, it doesn't even resemble a fight; more of an extermination of a pest infestation.

-cgmckenzie

Nicholas wrote:

Mechanized Space Corps wrote:What piece of fluff are you referring to with this whole necron/blood angels love affair? Thought the necrons hated all life? :S

It is mostly blown out of proportion, and tossed around by people who haven't read it. Basically Blood Angels are fighting necrons in a stalemate. Then The Nids show up, and both forces decide they are a bigger threat and fight off the Nids. It is never actually said they are working as a team. The Tyranids lose and both forces are too weak to fight each other and leave. The part blown out of proportion is at the end it says the blood angels were reluctant to fight Necrons anyway.

While I agree that it is blown out of proportion It is an incredibly ill-thought-out sentence implying that the BA would find fighting the necrons distastefull after fighting a common enemy alongside them. It sounds lame and sounds like a heap of bull, necrons hate all life and BA are space marines who are trained to be xenophobic to the extreme. No excuses can be made for Matt Ward he is to fluff what the kingdom of the crystal skull was to Indiana Jones and what Jar-Jar Binks was to Star Wars.

Nicholas wrote:

Mechanized Space Corps wrote:What piece of fluff are you referring to with this whole necron/blood angels love affair? Thought the necrons hated all life? :S

It is mostly blown out of proportion, and tossed around by people who haven't read it. Basically Blood Angels are fighting necrons in a stalemate. Then The Nids show up, and both forces decide they are a bigger threat and fight off the Nids. It is never actually said they are working as a team. The Tyranids lose and both forces are too weak to fight each other and leave. The part blown out of proportion is at the end it says the blood angels were reluctant to fight Necrons anyway.

Yes it does. Impromptu alliance what exactly did you think that meant? Hey bro you just shoot over there and we'll shoot over here, at the same people. But we're not teaming up or anything got it bro?
/nids dead
Alright later B. We'll put aside our generational hatred for anything that doesn't belong to our Empire and you put aside your overriding goal to obliterate all life.
/fistbump

I hope that helps

Void__Dragon wrote:

English Assassin wrote:That's rather missing the point; they're not going to be destroyed by something of significantly less narrative importance.

And you're sort of missing the point of a thread like this, which is to analyze their capabilities from an in-universe standpoint, not a narrative one.

And the Necrons, when they show up, tend not be destroyed so easily. You could argue the Tyranids are more narratively relevant than the Necrons at the moment. That doesn't change the fact that every time Necrons have engaged Tyranids, they were destroyed.

Well, if you want an in-universe answer, I'd say the Orks are being sold rather short by this thread. Warhammer 40,000 is an heroic setting, one in which plot device superweapons like the World Engine are less important than individual virtues. The fluff about the World Engine in Codex: Space Marines is a case in point: it was destroyed by courage, ingenuity and self-sacrifice - all qualities which the Orks (supposedly created to fight the C'tan/Necrons in any case) possess in spades.

Well, the plot-fu for both races is powerful. No one knows how many Necrons there are, or the limits to Necron technology. No one knows how many Orks there are, some fluff even indicated that Orks were found outside of the galaxy in large numbers (don't know how true that is) and the Orks ability to do the unexpected especially where technology is concerned is quite a dangerous unknown for any faction seeking their destruction.

I mean, have you ever tried to keep mushrooms from your lawn? It's like that... you know?

I imagine that if the old ones really made Orks for fightin crons that thier proximity would increase spore production and whip the Orks into a Waaaagh all over the surrounding space.

Haha I like the fair fight going on here, but I suppose it was set up by the OP.

Unless the orks on planet have some supa blasta mega deth kannon for just such an occasion, then the Necrons with their flying uber ship of wonderful particle beams will win. What the hell kind of question is that? Now, if a space hulk that was hollowed out and filled with orks just so happens to smash into the shiny space ship, disgorging it's orky contents, then the Necrons are fethed three ways to sunday. Questions like these always seem to be moot points though. If I really wanted to argue about an in universe confrontation like this I could say that the unified psychic will of the orks would be enough to completely stop shiny necron death star and I'd be as likely to be right as another person, claiming that necrons gauss technology of doom would wipe out all the spores on the planet.

Planets that have experienced exterminatus have been found to carry large amounts of ork spores. Exterminatus. The ultimate purge by fire. Anything that can survive that can survive necron bull...ships.

Its all rather pointless. Wait till the next load of horse manure codex or black library book comes out. You just may get your answer! Hell, I think I got a leak from one of their authors...he says he's working on an ork novel called "It's an 'Ard Boyz Life or How I Ate da World Engine wif Me Own Teef."

Orks have established empires? I've always had the image that they continuously hopped from world to world, killing everything, until they were eventually stopped.

Piz wrote:Orks have established empires? I've always had the image that they continuously hopped from world to world, killing everything, until they were eventually stopped.

That's the 'nids. Orks take pride in combat and seek it out. Destroying everything like the nids defeats the Orks purpose, they aren't mindless after all!