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KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Addicted to Bleach wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Probably Gaunt. Says he can remember the face of every soldier that's died under his command (the ones he got a chance to meet anyway).

Thats not actually Gaunt, you are thinking of Bastonne. Also he led an expedition into Nurgle territory to save one man. (He eventually shot him to prevent the spread of disease within his ranks)

I have no idea what your talking about.

Cadian chap; noble birth worked with the grunts, has a tatoo of every man lost concealed under his clothing. He makes a habit of not losing a man period. He actually did drag a man from nurgle plague territory just to execute him after saying no one gets left behind.

What book?

Codex Imperial Guard?

Oh. Yeah, I wasn't thinking of him. It was Gaunt.

It definitely applies to Gaunt as well - the books make frequent references to how he knows all of his men, to the point of knowing them by name and something about each one of them.

As said, Tu'Shan, and Salamanders in general, are way up there.

"I will steal from the plate of decadence to feed the mouths of the powerless." - Sebastian Thor

Despite being generally disliked by players, Ultramarines are probably the most "imperial" of all SM chapters, but I don't know if they got as much respect as the Salamanders.

Sisters of the Orders Hospitaller are known for being deeply compassionate about those under their care. They also build shelters for the poor and the needy.

Well the first one on the list of caring is Nurgle because he is the psychic manifestation of all caring and paternal feelings in the universe.

Next I think I would have to say the emperor. He sacrificed so much because he really cared for humanity. He made some really tough decisions but you can see how he cared when he could not really bring himself to kill Horus before being mortally wounded.

After that, I think I would have to choose Sebastian Thor, but I would be conflicted on this.

I want to add Conrad Kruze to the list (a bit far down though) because he chose to become a face of evil to try and do what was right and just for the many. He was a very tragic character.

I've got to ask: are you people serious when you mention Nurgle?

Lord Khorne He really cares about everyone! If you are dead you wont have problems anymore!

Isha. What a crybaby, but that was because she couldn't reach her children she cared so much about... And what happened to her? She got imprisoned in a cage, in the garden of a big boil. Of course, that boil cares quite a lot about her, in his own way...

Der Immolator wrote:"I will steal from the plate of decadence to feed the mouths of the powerless." - Sebastian Thor

Did he actually do it though?

There are hundreds of wuotes like that from all throughout history where some sneaky git said that sort of thing and then either did absolutely nothing about it, or did the comeplete opposite.

Making speeches of reform and social change is often a sign nothing will change, or it will get worse. (See last election in Britain as a recent example)

Der Immolator wrote:I've got to ask: are you people serious when you mention Nurgle?

I don't know about the others, but I was serious.
A common misconception is that the Chaos gods are evil, which is not true. They are merely psychic manifestations of the emotions of the living in the universe. Khorn is the good of violence and aggression, but also that of pride and honor. Slanesh is the god of sensual excess and I am inclined to say lust and love. Nurgle is the god of death/despair and caring and comfort. While Tzeech is the god of ambition and change. They all have their negative and positive aspects. Which side of those aspects is strongest depends on the emotions in the galaxy, which is why Khorns aggression and violence is the greatest out of all the gods.

Regardless though, it does not change that those entities are essentially the purest manifestation of their representative emotions. Its a bit screwed up, but blame the eldar for that if you have to.

SylvanaSekNadin wrote:

Der Immolator wrote:I've got to ask: are you people serious when you mention Nurgle?

I don't know about the others, but I was serious.
A common misconception is that the Chaos gods are evil, which is not true. They are merely psychic manifestations of the emotions of the living in the universe. Khorn is the good of violence and aggression, but also that of pride and honor. Slanesh is the god of sensual excess and I am inclined to say lust and love. Nurgle is the god of death/despair and caring and comfort. While Tzeech is the god of ambition and change. They all have their negative and positive aspects. Which side of those aspects is strongest depends on the emotions in the galaxy, which is why Khorns aggression and violence is the greatest out of all the gods.

Regardless though, it does not change that those entities are essentially the purest manifestation of their representative emotions. Its a bit screwed up, but blame the eldar for that if you have to.

Slaanesh is the God of excess. not just sexual, just any sensual experience. Or just any experience for that matter.

Nurgle is not the God of comfort and caring ffs! His aspect of 'caring' for his underlings comes in part from their joy at seeing what effects their various plagues and whatnot do to people.

Lexicanum wrote:Nurgle and his daemons, in contrast to their putrid appearance, are jovial and friendly in demeanor. His daemon servants and mortal followers usually demonstrate a disturbing joviality and joy at the pestilence that he inflicts, seeing the plagues as gifts and the cries of their victims as gratitude rather than agony. This is demonstrated on the Daemon World of Bubonicus, where an endless chain of crazed revellers circle the planet's equator in a never ending dance. He is often referred to as Grandfather Nurgle, Father Nurgle or Papa Nurgle by his followers because of his paternal nature.

The common misconception is that Papa Nurgle is not evil, he is, hes just sneaky about it In the first SW omnibus (second book), when speaking with a GUO, Ragnar comments that the friendly, jovial nature of the GUO's conversation really hides the disgust and hatred it feels for them and how it uses its language (ok, it speaks straight into their heads, but still...) and tone to ridicule them.

Tzeentch is also the God of Knowledge and learning fyi.

And we created Khorne in the Middle Ages, dont blame the Eldar

Any dark eldar, they are the 40k equivalent of the care bears!

Bwolf999 wrote:CREEEEEEEEEEEEEED
I dont know why.
I just wanted to yell it...

Although, he is noted as disliking the throw-the-infantry-at-it-with-mass-deaths tactics so beloved by other imperial Guard commanders, and will stand by his men in the heart of battle. He will also turn a blind eyes to some regulation infractions. All in all, he is a rather caring commander, and in 40k, that requires some kind of tactical ge...

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Revenent Reiko wrote:
Nurgle is not the God of comfort and caring ffs! His aspect of 'caring' for his underlings comes in part from their joy at seeing what effects their various plagues and whatnot do to people.

Lexicanum wrote:Nurgle and his daemons, in contrast to their putrid appearance, are jovial and friendly in demeanor. His daemon servants and mortal followers usually demonstrate a disturbing joviality and joy at the pestilence that he inflicts, seeing the plagues as gifts and the cries of their victims as gratitude rather than agony. This is demonstrated on the Daemon World of Bubonicus, where an endless chain of crazed revellers circle the planet's equator in a never ending dance. He is often referred to as Grandfather Nurgle, Father Nurgle or Papa Nurgle by his followers because of his paternal nature.

The common misconception is that Papa Nurgle is not evil, he is, hes just sneaky about it In the first SW omnibus (second book), when speaking with a GUO, Ragnar comments that the friendly, jovial nature of the GUO's conversation really hides the disgust and hatred it feels for them and how it uses its language (ok, it speaks straight into their heads, but still...) and tone to ridicule them.

No Chaos god is evil. They are just manifestations of emotion. Nurgle Cares for all, especially those who are dying. The caring nature is what caused the death guard legion to turn. Nurgle being an emotional entity of comfort attempts to being peace to those who are suffering. His other aspect, that of death and decay causes some of the suffering, but he comforts all. That is the nature of his being. The Chaos gods are created by the emotions of the living, and are also thus trapped to fulfill those roles. Each god is an extreme compartmentalized part of our own human nature.

Also, Khorn, Nurgle and Tzeech would have been around since the Old Ones fought the Necrons, long before humanity was around. They are manifestation of the emotions that all the currently living races then, especially the Eldar with their high psychic load, would have created. However, their strength and influence would probably have been dramatically decreased.

Papa Nurgle.

SylvanaSekNadin wrote:

Revenent Reiko wrote:
Nurgle is not the God of comfort and caring ffs! His aspect of 'caring' for his underlings comes in part from their joy at seeing what effects their various plagues and whatnot do to people.

Lexicanum wrote:Nurgle and his daemons, in contrast to their putrid appearance, are jovial and friendly in demeanor. His daemon servants and mortal followers usually demonstrate a disturbing joviality and joy at the pestilence that he inflicts, seeing the plagues as gifts and the cries of their victims as gratitude rather than agony. This is demonstrated on the Daemon World of Bubonicus, where an endless chain of crazed revellers circle the planet's equator in a never ending dance. He is often referred to as Grandfather Nurgle, Father Nurgle or Papa Nurgle by his followers because of his paternal nature.

The common misconception is that Papa Nurgle is not evil, he is, hes just sneaky about it In the first SW omnibus (second book), when speaking with a GUO, Ragnar comments that the friendly, jovial nature of the GUO's conversation really hides the disgust and hatred it feels for them and how it uses its language (ok, it speaks straight into their heads, but still...) and tone to ridicule them.

No Chaos god is evil. They are just manifestations of emotion. Nurgle Cares for all, especially those who are dying. The caring nature is what caused the death guard legion to turn. Nurgle being an emotional entity of comfort attempts to being peace to those who are suffering. His other aspect, that of death and decay causes some of the suffering, but he comforts all. That is the nature of his being. The Chaos gods are created by the emotions of the living, and are also thus trapped to fulfill those roles. Each god is an extreme compartmentalized part of our own human nature.

Also, Khorn, Nurgle and Tzeech would have been around since the Old Ones fought the Necrons, long before humanity was around. They are manifestation of the emotions that all the currently living races then, especially the Eldar with their high psychic load, would have created. However, their strength and influence would probably have been dramatically decreased.

Yes, they are manifestations of emotion....all the evil emotions (although granted they do all have a 'lighter' side as well).

The Death Guard turned to Nurgle out of hopelessness for their condition, they turned to him out of despair not for a cuddle. I am not saying Nurgle doesnt care for those he inflicts with his various plagues/diseases, but it is a dark, morbid care grown from the heart of an evil monstrosity that awaits the destruction and final degredation of all things. (btw, im quite proud of that sentence )

It has been stated that Khorne was 'born' during the Middle Ages of Terra (Earth), and Nurgle during the Black Death and i cant remember when Tzeentch was created/born, but it was another milestone incident in Earths history IIRC, maybe someone else can fill in that blank please.

While it is true that the Eldar would aso have helped shape these beings with their emotional input into the Warp, quite a lot of what they were doing went on to create Slaanesh.

P.s. The Chaos Gods are evil. For some reason that needs clarifying.

There is a chinese saying which roughly translates to: To chide is to care, To hit is to love. so I guess Khorne, seeing what he did to Skarbrand.
On a more related topic, Gaunt would appear that he genuinely cares about his charges the most.

SylvanaSekNadin wrote:No Chaos god is evil. They are just manifestations of emotion.

They appear to be sapient, therefore they are evil. I judge others not by their own morals, but by own. Few evil men view themselves as evil, but that does no mean that they are not (assuming you even believe in evil).

Revenent Reiko wrote:
It has been stated that Khorne was 'born' during the Middle Ages of Terra (Earth), and Nurgle during the Black Death and i cant remember when Tzeentch was created/born, but it was another milestone incident in Earths history IIRC, maybe someone else can fill in that blank please.

I've read that Tzeentch was born during the Renaissance or some such, but I'm not entirely sure about that. While the Chaos Gods may have awoken at those times, it is highly unlikely that humanity had any significant influence on them (considering the Eldar required a vast empire, a more psychically attuned nature and a complete devolution into decadence to do so - humanity in the current 40K likely has less influence on the Warp than the Eldar Empire did.)

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:While the Chaos Gods may have awoken at those times, it is highly unlikely that humanity had any significant influence on them (consideing the Eldar required a vast empire, a more psychically attuned nature and a complete devolution into decadence to do so - humanity in the current 40K likely has less influence on the Warp than the Eldar Empire did.)

Maybe the strength of human emotions is to blame.

Now, this is actually the first time I heard about the birthdates of the other three Chaos Gods, but if that is true the above might be a viable, if slightly arrogant explanation. It would also fit in with my pet theory that a Living Saint is created by the same means: the vast amount of emotion unleashed in times of great need, such as in a desparate last stand during an Imperial crusade.
It stands to reason that humanity would not be the only source of the Chaos Gods, but they may well have been the primary catalyst (except in the case of Slaanesh), explaining why these Gods have popped up in these notably fitting eras.

Crassus Armoured Assault Transport loves all.

Lynata wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:While the Chaos Gods may have awoken at those times, it is highly unlikely that humanity had any significant influence on them (consideing the Eldar required a vast empire, a more psychically attuned nature and a complete devolution into decadence to do so - humanity in the current 40K likely has less influence on the Warp than the Eldar Empire did.)

Maybe the strength of human emotions is to blame.

Now, this is actually the first time I heard about the birthdates of the other three Chaos Gods, but if that is true the above might be a viable, if slightly arrogant explanation. It would also fit in with my pet theory that a Living Saint is created by the same means: the vast amount of emotion unleashed in times of great need, such as in a desparate last stand during an Imperial crusade.
It stands to reason that humanity would not be the only source of the Chaos Gods, but they may well have been the primary catalyst (except in the case of Slaanesh), explaining why these Gods have popped up in these notably fitting eras.

Yes, we are to blame:

Lexicanum wrote:The rise of Chaos and the first three Chaos Gods, as described, seems to correspond to the development to humanity, implying that Mankind, of all the sentient species, were primarily responsible for the disharmonising of the Warp and the birth of the first three Chaos Gods. Although, without question, all sentient species played a role in the birth of the Chaos Gods, it seems that mankind has an especially close relationship with Chaos, or that mankind's nature is particularly aggressive and unstable.

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Pic is broken.

The Emperor of Mankind.

Without him Mankind would fall prey to everyone after the Fall of the Eldar.

He gave us technology, his army's to protect us and teach us to first put logic ahead of superstition.

And in the end he made the ultimate sacrifice for us all, so that our race can continue to exist.

If that is not caring then I don't know what it is.

Coolyo294 wrote:Pic is broken.

Should be fixed.

Der Immolator wrote:I've got to ask: are you people serious when you mention Nurgle?

Absolutely. Nurgle cares about and loves everyone and everything. His plagues and poxes are viewed as gifts, and he views your suffering and despair as thanks. Nurgle isn't bound by the same logic or morality of human beings.

SylvanaSekNadin wrote:Also, Khorn, Nurgle and Tzeech would have been around since the Old Ones fought the Necrons, long before humanity was around. They are manifestation of the emotions that all the currently living races then, especially the Eldar with their high psychic load, would have created. However, their strength and influence would probably have been dramatically decreased.

Chaos didn't even exist during the War in Heaven.

Revenent Reiko wrote:Yes, they are manifestations of emotion....all the evil emotions (although granted they do all have a 'lighter' side as well).

Honor, bravery, hope, determination, and love are evil emotions?

The Chaos Gods aren't evil, they don't even have free will, they are bound by the emotions of morality, completely defined by mortals.

Brother Coa wrote:The Emperor of Mankind.

Without him Mankind would fall prey to everyone after the Fall of the Eldar.

He gave us technology, his army's to protect us and teach us to first put logic ahead of superstition.

And in the end he made the ultimate sacrifice for us all, so that our race can continue to exist.

If that is not caring then I don't know what it is.

The Emperor is one of the worst humans to ever live in 40k.

The Chaos Gods have free will. They decided to turn Horus. They actively blocked the Emperor's foresight and planned the heresy. The spend most of their time battling each other over petty issues.