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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/12 05:49:46
Subject: Who is the most "caring" character in all of 40k?
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Warp-Screaming Noise Marine
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Gabriel Angelos from DoW, lets you know that space marines are still human, how they still greave and regret.
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"Decadence Unbound..."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/12 18:33:40
Subject: Who is the most "caring" character in all of 40k?
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Been Around the Block
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CageUF wrote:orz192 wrote:Magnus hasn't been mentioned yet and I would rank him as he was portrayed in "Thousand Sons" as a moral individual, albeit misguided.
I think Magnus loses as he pretty much let his home world get destroyed and then was so far removed from his legion that he didn't do anything to overcome the flesh change once the remaining 1,000 sons were swept off to the sorcerer's world.
Good chap but his caring got broken once he nuked the emperor's defenses.
I didn't mean he was the most caring, but he did care at least for a time. Just no one had mentioned him yet
and I thought him worthy of some consideration.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/12 21:20:15
Subject: Re:Who is the most "caring" character in all of 40k?
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Rampaging Furioso Blood Angel Dreadnought
Potters Bar, UK
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Void__Dragon wrote:The Chaos Gods perceive reality on a much higher scale than mortals do, their perception of the Immaterium and Materium greater than any mortal, and their existence is inarguably above mortals. Judging them via mortal morality isn't really possible.
We however, are mortal, and are therefore unable to judge anything outside of our own perspective.
What makes you say that? I literally have never heard that anywhere. Since the codex makes it clear that Nurgle is a god of "Life and laughter," rather than a "morose purveyer of despair and gloom." Nurgle's creed is that the greatest inspiration comes in the darkest moments, and that in times of crisis mortals are truly tested and driven to excel. It's very twisted, but there is no malice behind it.
This:
Lexicanum wrote:
Nurgle is also the Lord of All, because all things, no matter how solid and permanent they seem, are liable to physical corruption:
"Indeed, the very process of construction and creation foreshadow destruction and decay. The palace of today is tomorrow's ruin, the maiden of the morning is the crone of the night, and the hope of a moment is but the foundation stone of everlasting regret."1
All gods are embodiments of the hopes, fears and other strong emotions and concepts generated by the mortal races. In Nurgle's case, the source of power is the livings' fear of inevitable death and disease, and their unconscious response to that fear, which is the "power of life", the motivating power of mankind and other races.
The laughter is his perverse enjoyment of the inevitable downfall of all things (from what i can see at least), and the 'life' is the flipside of what actually gives him power....
All Greater Daemons are created from the body of their God, I'm not sure what you're saying here. Ku'gath the Plaguefather in particular explicitly is capable of independent though from Nurgle, while Nurgle just laughed and wasn't bothered by Ku'gath drinking his potent disease, Ku'gath felt bad about it and now tries to recreate the disease. Beyond that, the codex refers to Daemons as "static bubbles" or something in the Warp, not changed by it. Do you have a source for saying that GUOs are merely extensions of Nurgle himself?
Lexicanum wrote:The Greater Daemons of Nurgle are the Great Unclean Ones, massive, bloated disease-carriers, usually carrying a blade known as a Plague Sword into battle. These massive, rusted blades are said to be dipped in the foul pus and contagion at the base of Nurgle's throne.
Great Unclean Ones are unlike the Great Daemons of other Powers, in that where the latter are essentially just immensely powerful servants, the Great Unclean Ones are each facsimiles of Nurgle himself, both physically and in terms of their personality. In other words, every Great Unclean One is also Nurgle. Thus these followers often refer to these daemons as 'Nurgle' or 'Father Nurgle'.
That's pretty good to hear. I probably wouldn't hate Khorne as much if they emphasized that he was more than just a raving simpleton who would be just as happy with you killing chickens as you would warriors.
They do occasionally put in the honour/courage aspect of Khorne (makes you rethink Ultramarines eh?  ) still ,not very often though which is a shame.
Eh, I disagree personally, but respect your opinion.
Fair play, i respect our differences of opinion too
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/13 01:35:57
Subject: Who is the most "caring" character in all of 40k?
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Twisted Trueborn with Blaster
East Coast
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English Assassin wrote:Ciaphas Cain.
He may care only for himself, but he really does care a lot.
Yeap! I love this guy and i honestly think somewhere deep down he does care.
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'When in deadly danger,
When beset by doubt,
Run in little circles,
Wave your arms and shout.'
-Parody of the Litany of Command,
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/13 13:45:43
Subject: Re:Who is the most "caring" character in all of 40k?
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RogueSangre
The Cockatrice Malediction
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SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:Revenent Reiko wrote:
It has been stated that Khorne was 'born' during the Middle Ages of Terra (Earth), and Nurgle during the Black Death and i cant remember when Tzeentch was created/born, but it was another milestone incident in Earths history IIRC, maybe someone else can fill in that blank please.
I've read that Tzeentch was born during the Renaissance or some such, but I'm not entirely sure about that. While the Chaos Gods may have awoken at those times, it is highly unlikely that humanity had any significant influence on them (considering the Eldar required a vast empire, a more psychically attuned nature and a complete devolution into decadence to do so - humanity in the current 40K likely has less influence on the Warp than the Eldar Empire did.)
So the Chaos gods were all created by... Europeans? These massive monolithic galaxy-spanning supreme beings who rule over an entire dimension were all spawned by one small group of people in a tiny corner of a single planet? Okay...
I mean, we all do realize that during the entire period in question China was the largest most powerful civilization on the planet, right?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/13 14:08:55
Subject: Re:Who is the most "caring" character in all of 40k?
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Rampaging Furioso Blood Angel Dreadnought
Potters Bar, UK
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Abadabadoobaddon wrote:SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:Revenent Reiko wrote:
It has been stated that Khorne was 'born' during the Middle Ages of Terra (Earth), and Nurgle during the Black Death and i cant remember when Tzeentch was created/born, but it was another milestone incident in Earths history IIRC, maybe someone else can fill in that blank please.
I've read that Tzeentch was born during the Renaissance or some such, but I'm not entirely sure about that. While the Chaos Gods may have awoken at those times, it is highly unlikely that humanity had any significant influence on them (considering the Eldar required a vast empire, a more psychically attuned nature and a complete devolution into decadence to do so - humanity in the current 40K likely has less influence on the Warp than the Eldar Empire did.)
So the Chaos gods were all created by... Europeans? These massive monolithic galaxy-spanning supreme beings who rule over an entire dimension were all spawned by one small group of people in a tiny corner of a single planet? Okay...
I mean, we all do realize that during the entire period in question China was the largest most powerful civilization on the planet, right?
Yes, WH40k was written by Europeans....(Brits)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/14 00:12:00
Subject: Re:Who is the most "caring" character in all of 40k?
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RogueSangre
The Cockatrice Malediction
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My point is that there were no "Middle Ages of Terra" - they were not even a global phenomenon.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/14 05:25:24
Subject: Re:Who is the most "caring" character in all of 40k?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Abadabadoobaddon wrote:My point is that there were no "Middle Ages of Terra" - they were not even a global phenomenon.
*closes ears* I can't hear you over my Eurocentrism lalala-
I'm pretty sure Reiko understood what you meant, hence the wink emote. It was a joke about who created the Chaos Gods (literally, GW).
The earth-born Chaos God portion reads like so much ancient mythology narm born out of human arrogance. If it turns out they're a multigalatic phenomena then the importance of (European) humanity in their creation becomes even sillier.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/14 13:20:27
Subject: Re:Who is the most "caring" character in all of 40k?
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Rampaging Furioso Blood Angel Dreadnought
Potters Bar, UK
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Glowcat wrote:Abadabadoobaddon wrote:My point is that there were no "Middle Ages of Terra" - they were not even a global phenomenon.
*closes ears* I can't hear you over my Eurocentrism lalala-
I'm pretty sure Reiko understood what you meant, hence the wink emote. It was a joke about who created the Chaos Gods (literally, GW).
The earth-born Chaos God portion reads like so much ancient mythology narm born out of human arrogance. If it turns out they're a multigalatic phenomena then the importance of (European) humanity in their creation becomes even sillier.
I did underdtand, thank you Glowcat.
Its exactly as described, European (English) writers --> European (English) Importance in story. GW didnt release 40k across the world all at the same time did it? So it makes sense that everytihng would be base don 'our' (European) timeline wouldnt it?
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inmygravenimage wrote:Have courage, faith and beer, my friend - it will be done!
MeanGreenStompa wrote:Anonymity breeds aggression.
Chowderhead wrote:Just hit the "Triangle of Friendship", as I call it. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/16 14:32:51
Subject: Who is the most "caring" character in all of 40k?
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Giggling Nurgling
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well i dont know how people will receive this but, i do believe genestealers are the most caring, they have a whole cult dedicated to TAKE CARE of their offsprings, till they become purestrains and repeat the process.
They have a patriarch who look for all his children and each generation have their own job in the cicle of bringing to life the best of the best from the genestealers
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/16 15:02:48
Subject: Who is the most "caring" character in all of 40k?
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Painting Within the Lines
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Khorne and Slaneesh all the want is bloody sex  :L
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/16 15:25:27
Subject: Who is the most "caring" character in all of 40k?
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Screaming Shining Spear
Pittsburgh, PA
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Feliw wrote:well i dont know how people will receive this but, i do believe genestealers are the most caring, they have a whole cult dedicated to TAKE CARE of their offsprings, till they become purestrains and repeat the process.
They have a patriarch who look for all his children and each generation have their own job in the cicle of bringing to life the best of the best from the genestealers
That doesn't mean they're "caring" in the sense of being compassionate, just thatthey want to propagate their species and make it strong.
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Eldar shenanigans are the best shenanigans!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/18 05:02:02
Subject: Re:Who is the most "caring" character in all of 40k?
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Armored Iron Breaker
Lookin' fur daemons ta' fight!
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The Emperor, Definitely.
Because it shows his unlimited compassion that he sacrificed himself for humanity
and left the Astartes to defend it. Because we all know that the Astartes werent meant
to be leaders; they were left as the last defense against all the horrors of the galaxy, and the
Emperor knew it
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Teh Emprah Protects
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/18 05:27:14
Subject: Re:Who is the most "caring" character in all of 40k?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Beastmaster wrote:The Emperor, Definitely.
Because it shows his unlimited compassion that he sacrificed himself for humanity
and left the Astartes to defend it. Because we all know that the Astartes werent meant
to be leaders; they were left as the last defense against all the horrors of the galaxy, and the
Emperor knew it
I Dunno about that. Remember, the Emperor's Original plan was to strap Magnus into the Golden Throne. When that went awry, he strapped another powerful Psyker(Malcador?) into the throne until after he fought Horus. Only when it became a "die now or Die Later" situation did he put himself into the golden throne.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/18 06:16:52
Subject: Re:Who is the most "caring" character in all of 40k?
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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Most caring probably a tie between tau Etherial and sisters hospitallers
I'd actually offer up Jergen (commisar Cain's oderous assistant) as one caring individual defined as caring for someone else other than themselves since we know how little he does (outside of p0rno slates) to take care of himself but will always carry an extra sandwich or cup of coffee for his commisar. And how long has that guy been a gunner first class? Shouldn't he at least make sergeant or something by now? like 50 yrs of service and not a promotion! Gotta be selfless for that kind of gig.
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+ Thought of the day + Not even in death does duty end.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/18 13:39:27
Subject: Re:Who is the most "caring" character in all of 40k?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Iur_tae_mont wrote:I Dunno about that. Remember, the Emperor's Original plan was to strap Magnus into the Golden Throne. When that went awry, he strapped another powerful Psyker(Malcador?) into the throne until after he fought Horus. Only when it became a "die now or Die Later" situation did he put himself into the golden throne.
I don't know, most people would likely rather death than eternal agony. Did the Emperor actually say that that was the plan or was that just what Chaos showed Magnus? And someone sitting on the Golden Throne was only necessary in the first place because of Magnus; if not for that, then the Webway portal would not have to be forced shut by the Emperor's strength, right?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/18 14:25:01
Subject: Re:Who is the most "caring" character in all of 40k?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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sudojoe wrote:Most caring probably a tie between tau Etherial and sisters hospitallers
Dunno about the Ethereal. It's easy to seem like you care when you Brainwash your subjects.
SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:Iur_tae_mont wrote:I Dunno about that. Remember, the Emperor's Original plan was to strap Magnus into the Golden Throne. When that went awry, he strapped another powerful Psyker(Malcador?) into the throne until after he fought Horus. Only when it became a "die now or Die Later" situation did he put himself into the golden throne.
I don't know, most people would likely rather death than eternal agony. Did the Emperor actually say that that was the plan or was that just what Chaos showed Magnus? And someone sitting on the Golden Throne was only necessary in the first place because of Magnus; if not for that, then the Webway portal would not have to be forced shut by the Emperor's strength, right?
To be fair, I got that info from Lexicanum's page on the Golden Throne, so it may not be the best source in the world, but it says the Emperor's plan was to strap Magnus in to keep the webway together.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/18 17:20:03
Subject: Re:Who is the most "caring" character in all of 40k?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:I don't know, most people would likely rather death than eternal agony. Did the Emperor actually say that that was the plan or was that just what Chaos showed Magnus? And someone sitting on the Golden Throne was only necessary in the first place because of Magnus; if not for that, then the Webway portal would not have to be forced shut by the Emperor's strength, right?
Magnus hears it straight from the Emperor's mouth, he was originally going to be sitting on the Golden Throne. Though Magnus considered it an honor, and was horrified to discover he had destroyed his father's work.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/18 21:27:40
Subject: Re:Who is the most "caring" character in all of 40k?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Iur_tae_mont wrote:To be fair, I got that info from Lexicanum's page on the Golden Throne, so it may not be the best source in the world, but it says the Emperor's plan was to strap Magnus in to keep the webway together.
Fair enough.
Void__Dragon wrote:Magnus hears it straight from the Emperor's mouth, he was originally going to be sitting on the Golden Throne. Though Magnus considered it an honor, and was horrified to discover he had destroyed his father's work.
Ah okay fair enough. Was the Emperor required to sit on the Golden Throne before Magnus tore open the wards?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/24 06:29:38
Subject: Who is the most "caring" character in all of 40k?
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Rennoc215 wrote:I'm tempted to say papa Nurgle, but then I remembered that he tests all of his viruses/toxins on an eldar goddess... and on his subjects...
papathrax wrote:Tau Ethereals. annoying jerks.
I agree 100%. My friend plays tau, so I ended up reading his dex at some time or another...
Still, they are probably the kindest leaders/people in general.
Not really... they just use pheremons and happy rhetoric to enslave their own people. They then use the wealth and technology their slaves create to bribe foreigners to do their dirty work, so the Ethereals are able to feel that the Tau race is above the other races. The Greater Good? Its all just what the Ethereals want at a given time. The Tau only offer the greater good to races the Ethereals think are useful. Need I remind you of the time they tried to befriend the Necrons? After seeing them single handedly wipe out a Hive Fleet? If they actually grew warp-senses, I have a feeling they'd befriend Khorne, too. Blood for the Blood good!
My vote for most compassionate character: The God-Emperor of Man-kind, hands down. Why was this even a question?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/24 07:07:29
Subject: Re:Who is the most "caring" character in all of 40k?
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Wicked Warp Spider
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My own vote goes to Nurgle. You don't have to be a decent and wholesome individual to care.
SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:Revenent Reiko wrote:
It has been stated that Khorne was 'born' during the Middle Ages of Terra (Earth), and Nurgle during the Black Death and i cant remember when Tzeentch was created/born, but it was another milestone incident in Earths history IIRC, maybe someone else can fill in that blank please.
I've read that Tzeentch was born during the Renaissance or some such, but I'm not entirely sure about that. While the Chaos Gods may have awoken at those times, it is highly unlikely that humanity had any significant influence on them (considering the Eldar required a vast empire, a more psychically attuned nature and a complete devolution into decadence to do so - humanity in the current 40K likely has less influence on the Warp than the Eldar Empire did.)
Eldar had a very real, living, pantheon of Gods emulating all that the Eldar stood for. You had gods of creativity, honour, war, love, and cunning. What you didn't have was an Eldar god of excess and perversion (not necessarily sexual perversion!), until such a god came into existence and killed all other Eldar gods.
In it's essence, the Eldar influence on the Warp bled into their Gods, rather than spill into the chaos itself.
Lynata wrote:SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:Lynata wrote:Maybe the strength of human emotions is to blame. 
Except Eldar emotions are much stronger and keenly felt than Human emotions.
They are? I always took the current Eldar to be more calm and reasonable, basically "space high elves" or the Vulcans of 40k.
I'm not an expert on the mind of Eldar and have read little stuff about them, though, so I could be completely wrong about it. Could anyone elaborate? Normally I'd not be that interested in a xeno race, but this is a pretty major thing and I at least want to get the basics about them right!
Oh no, Eldar are a hairwidth from being a demented psychopath, each and every one of them, but they are demented psychopaths who value prosperity, integrity and beauty - unless they are Dark Eldar in which case you can replace integrity with the prefix "personal" in front of the other two and remove the hair from the equation. They make commisars look like the elves from Overlord 2.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/24 07:26:42
Subject: Who is the most "caring" character in all of 40k?
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Pauper with Promise
Exeter, Devon, England
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Rogal dorn as he disagreed with the codex astartes, but sacrificed his legion just to prevent another civil war
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1500pts of ultramarines
1500pts of crimson fists
3000pts of space wolves
comming soon 2000pts grey knights
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/24 17:05:31
Subject: Who is the most "caring" character in all of 40k?
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Tough Tyrant Guard
My own little happy place
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My vote goes to Isha the reason should be obvious.
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I tried being normal but it's boring so now I'm back to being insane
http://www.heresy-online.net/daemons/adoptables/10375-flamminggaunt.htm
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