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in hammer of deamons, when the daemon od tzeench trys to possed him, he destroy his mind so he could not be corrupted...
i mean he was willing to destroy himself than allow to be corrupted

And Hammer of Daemons(along with the rest of the "Alaric" books) requires you to ignore canon. Otherwise there's no sense of drama if your protagonist can just ignore situations that would put him in peril.

the same for almost all novels...

flota wrote:the same for almost all novels...

Not really. You don't have the Imperial Guard wearing Powered Armour for the Gaunt's Ghosts novels.

There's also a reason why in the Eisenhorn novels, Grey Knights were not used for the daemonic sequences. Regular old Space Marines were--simply because Daemons can still hurt them with ease, if the Daemon is powerful enough.

In Dark Adeptus, a squad of Grey Knights under Justicar Alaric are deployed to a Dark Mechanicus planet, Chaeronia, which had been sucked into the warp for a millenium before the planet reemerged and was flagged for termination.

Exterminatus couldn't work because the Dark Mechanicus had some kind of artefact from the GAoT which allowed them to shield their planet in asteroids - only a suitably equipped Mechanicus shuttle (using GAoT tech itself) got through the atmosphere.

While on this world, the Grey Knights discovered that in their millenium of research, the Dark Mechanicus had achieved a horrific blend of the living and the mechanical.

This blend of flesh and metal yielded servitors with snake-like bodies and Titans with regenerating bio-armor and wetware brains.

It is not beyond the realm of possibility for this segment of Dark Mechanicus to build a sort of wetware heretical intelligence to install in a captured Grey Knight suit.

With this in mind, if they captured a sufficient number, the heretekal possibilities are amazing!

Voila, Chaos-aligned Grey Knights, no daemons required.

Once again:

Ben Counter made up a deus ex machina for it to happen. Such a thing does not exist, and it is ignored by canon at large because Counter needed to create something to allow for mortal danger for the persons.

Would the GK himself really be corrupted then? If its a mechanical beast, or daemon controling the armor can you really say that he has been corrupted by the taints of Chaos? I think not.

Unit1126PLL wrote:In Dark Adeptus, a squad of Grey Knights under Justicar Alaric are deployed to a Dark Mechanicus planet, Chaeronia, which had been sucked into the warp for a millenium before the planet reemerged and was flagged for termination.

Exterminatus couldn't work because the Dark Mechanicus had some kind of artefact from the GAoT which allowed them to shield their planet in asteroids - only a suitably equipped Mechanicus shuttle (using GAoT tech itself) got through the atmosphere.

While on this world, the Grey Knights discovered that in their millenium of research, the Dark Mechanicus had achieved a horrific blend of the living and the mechanical.

This blend of flesh and metal yielded servitors with snake-like bodies and Titans with regenerating bio-armor and wetware brains.

It is not beyond the realm of possibility for this segment of Dark Mechanicus to build a sort of wetware heretical intelligence to install in a captured Grey Knight suit.

With this in mind, if they captured a sufficient number, the heretekal possibilities are amazing!

Voila, Chaos-aligned Grey Knights, no daemons required.

Both the way Grey Knight armor is made and the Hexagramic wards added to both the Grey Knights armor and body cause Deamons considerable pain to be around let alone touch. A deamon inhabiting Grey Knight armor would be destroyed by the very thing its trying to control. A Grey Knight is alot more then just a mind wiped Space Marine, just as his armor is vastly different from standard Space Marine issue.

I don't get the point to this.

A chaos Grey Knight, is just another Chaos sorcerer.

By losing their faith in the Emperor, they lose pretty much every bit of power they had to begin with.

Without that, it's just another psyker in power armor.

Kanluwen wrote:Once again:

Ben Counter made up a deus ex machina for it to happen. Such a thing does not exist, and it is ignored by canon at large because Counter needed to create something to allow for mortal danger for the persons.

It's not a deus ex machina in the classical sense if it's foreshadowed you know...

Purifiers are described as more incorruptible than normal Grey Knights, their secrets unable to be entrusted to normal Grey Knights.

That means that Grey Knights are more corruptible than Purifiers.

That means that Grey Knights can be corrupted, not easily, but the possibility is plainly admitted.

You may think this is really stupid, but it's also canon.

Has it happened yet? No. But the possibility exists, as per current fluff.

Yes, I think Grey Knights can be corrupted. But, IMHO, only teenztch would have the will to do it with his plans, it could be like a something he would use to weaken the moral of others.

Normal Knights? Possible. Paladins, hell no

Lexicanum wrote:To battle such enemies as Daemons, creatures that are not of this realm but formed of sorcery and madness, a Grey Knight must embrace the power of the Warp to battle a Daemon with its own weapons. Each Grey Knight is an accomplished, powerful psyker whose psychic presence is anathema to creatures of the Warp. They are trained to channel their psychic energies into a halo of protective wards known as the Aegis. Thusly armoured, a Grey Knight's presence becomes unpalatable to Daemons, making him immune to corruption, able to wield forbidden black magic, harness tainted artefacts and scour blasphemous tomes all without risk of being overwhelmed by the cursed power of Chaos.

Zalmout wrote:A friend and I often argue over whether or not GK can be corrupted by Chaos, I take the modest approach that it could in theory happen, but most likely never will due to all their training and psycho indoctrinating. How do my fellow dakkites feels about the matter? Do you think GK are incorruptible or do you think even they can feel the taint of Chaos?

Keep the purifiers out of this, they are special.

40k fluff: Not in a million years.

Matt Ward: "To this end, each Grey Knight is an accomplished psyker, trained to channel his mental energies into the halo of protective wards known as the Aegis, and an array of formidable battle-sorceries. A Grey Knight's psychic presence is anathema to creatures of the Warp, utterly unpalatable to a Daemon's dark appetites and thus entirely immune from corruption." - begining of the codex.

"Needing a talisman of purity to protect against the Bloodtide's taint, the Grey Knights' first act is to turn their blades upon the surviving Sisters of Battle. The innocent blood thus spilled is then mixed with blessed oils and used to anoint the Grey Knights' armour and weapons. So shielded, the Grey Knights are able to stride through the goreflood without risk of corruption". - the biggest fail yet.

Two statement's, entirely different and both entirely true. And even so they contadict one another, and before you say anything guys - being "entirely immune from corruption" count both spirit and flesh.

Coa, you're argument makes no sense. You highlighted words in a sentence, congratulations. But what does it mean? Your statement has nothing to do with your evidence.

Chowderhead wrote:Coa, you're argument makes no sense.

You just didn't read it right

Brother Coa wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:Coa, you're argument makes no sense.

You just didn't read it tight

Don't say that about my honeybun!

Chowderhead wrote:You highlighted words in a sentence, congratulations. But what does it mean? Your statement has nothing to do with your evidence.

It means that Matt Ward told that Grey Knight are incorruptible to the point of the Emperor's purity only to made them corruptible some 50 pages later...
And that means that his fluff is to be discard and we should use Daemonhunters fluff until new GK codex...

Brother Coa wrote:

Zalmout wrote:A friend and I often argue over whether or not GK can be corrupted by Chaos, I take the modest approach that it could in theory happen, but most likely never will due to all their training and psycho indoctrinating. How do my fellow dakkites feels about the matter? Do you think GK are incorruptible or do you think even they can feel the taint of Chaos?

Keep the purifiers out of this, they are special.

40k fluff: Not in a million years.

Matt Ward: "To this end, each Grey Knight is an accomplished psyker, trained to channel his mental energies into the halo of protective wards known as the Aegis, and an array of formidable battle-sorceries. A Grey Knight's psychic presence is anathema to creatures of the Warp, utterly unpalatable to a Daemon's dark appetites and thus entirely immune from corruption." - beginning of the codex.

"Needing a talisman of purity to protect against the Bloodtide's taint, the Grey Knights' first act is to turn their blades upon the surviving Sisters of Battle. The innocent blood thus spilled is then mixed with blessed oils and used to anoint the Grey Knights' armour and weapons. So shielded, the Grey Knights are able to stride through the goreflood without risk of corruption". - the biggest fail yet.

Two statement's, entirely different and both entirely true. And even so they contradict one another, and before you say anything guys - being "entirely immune from corruption" count both spirit and flesh.

You'll note that they put the SoB blood on their armor... Maybe they aren't corruptible, but their armor is... Kind of like the zombie thousand sons.

Brother Coa wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:You highlighted words in a sentence, congratulations. But what does it mean? Your statement has nothing to do with your evidence.

It means that Matt Ward told that Grey Knight are incorruptible to the point of the Emperor's purity only to made them corruptible some 50 pages later...
And that means that his fluff is to be discard and we should use Daemonhunters fluff until new GK codex...

I assume the Grey Knights were vulnerable to physical corruption but, unless their brain chemistry is affected, would be impervious to spiritual corruption.
See it this way, Slaanesh himself couldn't persuade a Grey Knight to throw down his arms and armour and join the Dark Prince's glorious host but
if your 08/15 Chaos Sorcerer sucessfuly lands a Bolt of Change or (in the worst case ) hits the Grey Knight with the boon of mutation sorcerous power then the poor spessmuhreen will
mutate faster than your average underhivescum in a dark mechanicus wastage facility

Brother Coa wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:You highlighted words in a sentence, congratulations. But what does it mean? Your statement has nothing to do with your evidence.

It means that Matt Ward told that Grey Knight are incorruptible to the point of the Emperor's purity only to made them corruptible some 50 pages later...
And that means that his fluff is to be discard and we should use Daemonhunters fluff until new GK codex...

Huh. I see that now that you bring it up. Whoopsy!

Brother Coa wrote:

Zalmout wrote:A friend and I often argue over whether or not GK can be corrupted by Chaos, I take the modest approach that it could in theory happen, but most likely never will due to all their training and psycho indoctrinating. How do my fellow dakkites feels about the matter? Do you think GK are incorruptible or do you think even they can feel the taint of Chaos?

Keep the purifiers out of this, they are special.

40k fluff: Not in a million years.

Matt Ward: "To this end, each Grey Knight is an accomplished psyker, trained to channel his mental energies into the halo of protective wards known as the Aegis, and an array of formidable battle-sorceries. A Grey Knight's psychic presence is anathema to creatures of the Warp, utterly unpalatable to a Daemon's dark appetites and thus entirely immune from corruption." - begining of the codex.

"Needing a talisman of purity to protect against the Bloodtide's taint, the Grey Knights' first act is to turn their blades upon the surviving Sisters of Battle. The innocent blood thus spilled is then mixed with blessed oils and used to anoint the Grey Knights' armour and weapons. So shielded, the Grey Knights are able to stride through the goreflood without risk of corruption". - the biggest fail yet.

Two statement's, entirely different and both entirely true. And even so they contadict one another, and before you say anything guys - being "entirely immune from corruption" count both spirit and flesh.

Haven't I explained this to you before? I'm pretty sure I have.

Stop using 4chan for references. Read the book yourself.

Kanluwen wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Zalmout wrote:A friend and I often argue over whether or not GK can be corrupted by Chaos, I take the modest approach that it could in theory happen, but most likely never will due to all their training and psycho indoctrinating. How do my fellow dakkites feels about the matter? Do you think GK are incorruptible or do you think even they can feel the taint of Chaos?

Keep the purifiers out of this, they are special.

40k fluff: Not in a million years.

Matt Ward: "To this end, each Grey Knight is an accomplished psyker, trained to channel his mental energies into the halo of protective wards known as the Aegis, and an array of formidable battle-sorceries. A Grey Knight's psychic presence is anathema to creatures of the Warp, utterly unpalatable to a Daemon's dark appetites and thus entirely immune from corruption." - begining of the codex.

"Needing a talisman of purity to protect against the Bloodtide's taint, the Grey Knights' first act is to turn their blades upon the surviving Sisters of Battle. The innocent blood thus spilled is then mixed with blessed oils and used to anoint the Grey Knights' armour and weapons. So shielded, the Grey Knights are able to stride through the goreflood without risk of corruption". - the biggest fail yet.

Two statement's, entirely different and both entirely true. And even so they contadict one another, and before you say anything guys - being "entirely immune from corruption" count both spirit and flesh.

Haven't I explained this to you before? I'm pretty sure I have.

Stop using 4chan for references. Read the book yourself.

I have Kanluwen, he might of not.
but I have to do the most unlike version of me and side with Kanluwen.
The Talisman thing I do hate alot but lets face it is not as ridicilous as some of the other things I have read thus far.

Draigo lore kinda bad.
But anyway the Grey Knights can be corrupted, but we don't know how to.
Records have not shown they have been corrupted.
Records. Imperial Records, we have no idea of the grey knights records and for all we know that lore could show that they were killed before the taint set in. The Grey knights will kill their own brothers if they have too.

They Feel no Pity and No Remorse, they are Space Marines combined with their rules their turf, They will do what is necessary, I kinda get it and I have to say Ward Actually did a good job.
There is no sarcasm here go away.

Kanluwen wrote:
Haven't I explained this to you before? I'm pretty sure I have.

Stop using 4chan for references. Read the book yourself.

I did, 5 times. And each time I see the same thing It's described here. And this is from the codex...

Brother Coa wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
Haven't I explained this to you before? I'm pretty sure I have.

Stop using 4chan for references. Read the book yourself.

I did, 5 times. And each time I see the same thing It's described here. And this is from the codex...

And yet you still don't grasp the concept, despite me having bloody explained it time and time again.

Corruption and taint are subjective.
You can "corrupt" the flesh of a Grey Knight, but that does not mean he will fall to Chaos. It just means that you can kill him using the abilities fueled by the Warp.

Spiritual and physical corruption are not the same thing. Stop thinking it is, and you'll come off a lot less ridiculous in these threads with your bolding of the entirely wrong concepts.

Asherian--once again, it is not "Imperial Records" or "Grey Knights" records that tell us no Grey Knights tell us. It is an immutable fact. It's like trying to say that the Horus Heresy was propagated by Rogal Dorn.

Brother Coa wrote:

Zalmout wrote:A friend and I often argue over whether or not GK can be corrupted by Chaos, I take the modest approach that it could in theory happen, but most likely never will due to all their training and psycho indoctrinating. How do my fellow dakkites feels about the matter? Do you think GK are incorruptible or do you think even they can feel the taint of Chaos?

Keep the purifiers out of this, they are special.

40k fluff: Not in a million years.

Matt Ward: "To this end, each Grey Knight is an accomplished psyker, trained to channel his mental energies into the halo of protective wards known as the Aegis, and an array of formidable battle-sorceries. A Grey Knight's psychic presence is anathema to creatures of the Warp, utterly unpalatable to a Daemon's dark appetites and thus entirely immune from corruption." - begining of the codex.

"Needing a talisman of purity to protect against the Bloodtide's taint, the Grey Knights' first act is to turn their blades upon the surviving Sisters of Battle. The innocent blood thus spilled is then mixed with blessed oils and used to anoint the Grey Knights' armour and weapons. So shielded, the Grey Knights are able to stride through the goreflood without risk of corruption". - the biggest fail yet.

Two statement's, entirely different and both entirely true. And even so they contadict one another, and before you say anything guys - being "entirely immune from corruption" count both spirit and flesh.

The "Taint" referred to in the Bloodtide is the effects of the Bloodtide. it isn't a Taint in the definition of a Chaos taint.

It attacks your flesh and causes massive bleeding. Its a sapient bio-weapon from the Dark Age of Technology.

Covering yourself in blood can prevent the weapon from working.

Grey Templar wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Zalmout wrote:A friend and I often argue over whether or not GK can be corrupted by Chaos, I take the modest approach that it could in theory happen, but most likely never will due to all their training and psycho indoctrinating. How do my fellow dakkites feels about the matter? Do you think GK are incorruptible or do you think even they can feel the taint of Chaos?

Keep the purifiers out of this, they are special.

40k fluff: Not in a million years.

Matt Ward: "To this end, each Grey Knight is an accomplished psyker, trained to channel his mental energies into the halo of protective wards known as the Aegis, and an array of formidable battle-sorceries. A Grey Knight's psychic presence is anathema to creatures of the Warp, utterly unpalatable to a Daemon's dark appetites and thus entirely immune from corruption." - begining of the codex.

"Needing a talisman of purity to protect against the Bloodtide's taint, the Grey Knights' first act is to turn their blades upon the surviving Sisters of Battle. The innocent blood thus spilled is then mixed with blessed oils and used to anoint the Grey Knights' armour and weapons. So shielded, the Grey Knights are able to stride through the goreflood without risk of corruption". - the biggest fail yet.

Two statement's, entirely different and both entirely true. And even so they contadict one another, and before you say anything guys - being "entirely immune from corruption" count both spirit and flesh.

The "Taint" referred to in the Bloodtide is the effects of the Bloodtide. it isn't a Taint in the definition of a Chaos taint.

It attacks your flesh and causes massive bleeding. Its a sapient bio-weapon from the Dark Age of Technology.

Covering yourself in blood can prevent the weapon from working.

FINALLY THE DOOR HAS BEEN BROKEN!
Yes, that is a perfectly reasonable thing, it would make sense as it would see you as already dead
So this means basically the blood on you would essentially protect you, as it is virgin blood of course which hopefully doesn't have male physiology on it so making them impervious. Of course that is what i think.

KingDeath wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:You highlighted words in a sentence, congratulations. But what does it mean? Your statement has nothing to do with your evidence.

It means that Matt Ward told that Grey Knight are incorruptible to the point of the Emperor's purity only to made them corruptible some 50 pages later...
And that means that his fluff is to be discard and we should use Daemonhunters fluff until new GK codex...

I assume the Grey Knights were vulnerable to physical corruption but, unless their brain chemistry is affected, would be impervious to spiritual corruption.
See it this way, Slaanesh himself couldn't persuade a Grey Knight to throw down his arms and armour and join the Dark Prince's glorious host but
if your 08/15 Chaos Sorcerer sucessfuly lands a Bolt of Change or (in the worst case ) hits the Grey Knight with the boon of mutation sorcerous power then the poor spessmuhreen will
mutate faster than your average underhivescum in a dark mechanicus wastage facility

I thought this meant they can be physically corrupted, but not spiritually corrupted.

Zalmout wrote:

KingDeath wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:You highlighted words in a sentence, congratulations. But what does it mean? Your statement has nothing to do with your evidence.

It means that Matt Ward told that Grey Knight are incorruptible to the point of the Emperor's purity only to made them corruptible some 50 pages later...
And that means that his fluff is to be discard and we should use Daemonhunters fluff until new GK codex...

I assume the Grey Knights were vulnerable to physical corruption but, unless their brain chemistry is affected, would be impervious to spiritual corruption.
See it this way, Slaanesh himself couldn't persuade a Grey Knight to throw down his arms and armour and join the Dark Prince's glorious host but
if your 08/15 Chaos Sorcerer sucessfuly lands a Bolt of Change or (in the worst case ) hits the Grey Knight with the boon of mutation sorcerous power then the poor spessmuhreen will
mutate faster than your average underhivescum in a dark mechanicus wastage facility

I thought this meant they can be physically corrupted, but not spiritually corrupted.

Exactly.


Nurgle's rot can effect ANYONE. Now, GKs won't be immune to the Rot, but they won't give in to Nurgle's lure of turning to him for aid. they will stay loyal to the Emperor.