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A friend and I often argue over whether or not GK can be corrupted by Chaos, I take the modest approach that it could in theory happen, but most likely never will due to all their training and psycho indoctrinating. How do my fellow dakkites feels about the matter? Do you think GK are incorruptible or do you think even they can feel the taint of Chaos?

Keep the purifiers out of this, they are special.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/376588.page

This has been debated rather harshly, so here's a link to a thread like this. In short, the answer is no.

Absolutely, 100% incorruptible.

So should I change this thread into "Rehabilitated Chaos Daemons" see how well that goes over?

Zalmout wrote:So should I change this thread into "Rehabilitated Chaos Daemons" see how well that goes over?

I put the wrong thread sorry...

I know there was a thread about the grey knights turning to chaos, but I can't find it with google (or the definetely user friendly dakka search engine )


Once again, my apologies for posting a link of a wrong thread >_>

The thread still answered my question because most of the people in that thread were totally for the incorruptible GK, so thanks!

Considering one of my Chaos Terminators was made from a Grey Knight model, and he is my icon bearer...I say yes of course...foolish mortals seriously think Chaos can't taint them....wahahaha!...Um...nothing to see here.

Photo proof: (his Khorne icon is stuck in his chest)
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/251415-Chaos%20Terminators.html?m=2

Also there is a corrupted SW, and a Corrupted Rune Priest so....*insert more evil laughter*

Zalmout wrote:The thread still answered my question because most of the people in that thread were totally for the incorruptible GK, so thanks!

Oh...well then, you're welcome then

they can be corrupted just like any other marine. In the novel hammer of daemons two grey knights are captured and have collars of khorne attached to them to negate their psychic abilities. The grey knights themselves in that book admit that it is possible for them to become tainted since they no longer have their psychic defences. They would last much longer than most to the taint thanks to the rest of their training but they could still fall.

I read the whole 'GK being incorruptible' thing as Imperial Propaganda. It would be extremely effective as such to the small amount of people who know of their existence.

I would say that 'corruptible' Grey Knights are at least as plausible as Noise Marines that work for the Imperium.

I would vote for corruptible, but only in special circumstances. I know in the older fluff (haven't read the grey knight codex) grey knights were mind wiped and re-indoctrinated every year or so to ensure their purity and to prevent any kind of corruption.

As such, if a grey knight was captured by chaos and basically abused in that special way only chaos can, in time that grey knight will eventually become corrupt. (collar of khorn may be needed to weaken their psychic defenes) However, that's some pretty extreme circumstances and I doubt a group of them would ever fall to chaos together as they would keep reinforcing each other to remain pure.

In short though, excepting those extreme circumstances, they wont fall.

Deathsadvocate wrote:they can be corrupted just like any other marine. In the novel hammer of daemons two grey knights are captured and have collars of khorne attached to them to negate their psychic abilities. The grey knights themselves in that book admit that it is possible for them to become tainted since they no longer have their psychic defences. They would last much longer than most to the taint thanks to the rest of their training but they could still fall.

Of the two Grey Knights in that book, one is killed fairly early on and never goes over to the dark side. The other manages to escape, incite a rebellion, bring down pretty much an entire world and escape back to the inquisition...

Catyrpelius wrote:

Deathsadvocate wrote:they can be corrupted just like any other marine. In the novel hammer of daemons two grey knights are captured and have collars of khorne attached to them to negate their psychic abilities. The grey knights themselves in that book admit that it is possible for them to become tainted since they no longer have their psychic defences. They would last much longer than most to the taint thanks to the rest of their training but they could still fall.

Of the two Grey Knights in that book, one is killed fairly early on and never goes over to the dark side. The other manages to escape, incite a rebellion, bring down pretty much an entire world and escape back to the inquisition...

As well as fighting off the taint of a powerful Tzeentch daemon.

In the book the collar does stop their psychic wards from working but they do not break the Grey Knights mind, All the collar does is break the first line of defense.

100% incorruptible.

I think grey knights are definetly corruptible, altough it would be very hard but as crowe's fluff says, the daemon sword was trusted only to him because anyone else would succumb to its taint. Sugesting that "normal" grey knights would become corrupted by the sword.

Zalmout wrote:A friend and I often argue over whether or not GK can be corrupted by Chaos, I take the modest approach that it could in theory happen, but most likely never will due to all their training and psycho indoctrinating. How do my fellow dakkites feels about the matter? Do you think GK are incorruptible or do you think even they can feel the taint of Chaos?

Keep the purifiers out of this, they are special.

HERECY!!! BURN!!!

All fluff points to the fact that no Grey Knights have ever been corrupted, and that they are therefore assumed to be incorruptible.

However, it's 40k, so there's always the change something like this could happen - there's a first time for everything after all...

In short no a Grey Knight cannot be corrupted its like a Khorne Berserker being a Practicing Good Mannered Humanitarian, It ain't happening.

It wouldn't happen, but it'd be frickin' cool if they did/could

They're designed to be incorruptible aren't they? with the all the brainwashing and severe mental conditioning and all?

According to official Imperial records, no Grey Knight has ever fallen to Chaos. And the Imperium is well known for its total honesty [/sarcasm].

Crowe's fluff tells us that he is less corruptible than a normal Grey Knight, which logically tells us that a normal Grey Knight does have the potential to fall to Chaos. It's highly unlikely though, and would require the removal of their armour, psychic shielding and reverse indoctrination.

Durza wrote:According to official Imperial records, no Grey Knight has ever fallen to Chaos. And the Imperium is well known for its total honesty [/sarcasm].

Crowe's fluff tells us that he is less corruptible than a normal Grey Knight, which logically tells us that a normal Grey Knight does have the potential to fall to Chaos. It's highly unlikely though, and would require the removal of their armour, psychic shielding and reverse indoctrination.

No, it doesn't.

Crowe's fluff tells us that he is more pure, and that the Purifiers are able to shape their faith and resolve into a weapon against the Daemons.

There has been no case of a Grey Knight falling to Chaos. None. You can make snide remarks about it being "official Imperial records" but that's not the way it is presented nor has it ever been presented as simply Imperial records. It is presented much like the way that Lion El'Jonson lies in stasis at the center of The Rock--an immutable fact of the universe given by an omniscient narrator.

I think one of the reasons no grey knight has ever been corrupted is that the sheer effort to corrupt one grey knight would be astounding, and result in effectively just another chaos sorcerer. Chaos probably realizes that corrupting normal chapters would yield better results. After all, all that makes a grey knight special would basically be stripped away if they became corrupted.

The only possible reason the chaos gods would try to corrupt a grey knight is for bragging rights. Otherwise its just too much effort without a decent reward (then again you never know with chaos.)

Very well, let me put it a different way: No Grey Knight has ever fallen to Chaos. Yet.

And for Crowe to be more pure, clearly the others are less pure.

Are you saying that being 'less pure' than what's the 'most pure' means that you're 'corruptable' (whatever that even means in the OPs context)?

Durza wrote:Very well, let me put it a different way: No Grey Knight has ever fallen to Chaos. Yet.

No Grey Knight has ever fallen to Chaos, period. They will not fall to Chaos either, unless there is a dramatic rewrite--and even Mat Ward won't do that.

Deal with it.

And for Crowe to be more pure, clearly the others are less pure.

Mother Theresa was more pure than most of the members of the Church of her day, but less pure than Jesus Christ. Does that mean that she was a degenerate looking for a chance to snort blow off a rentboy?

Point is: you can have everyone being pure, with others being more pure. It doesn't detract from the fact that everyone's already pure.

Kanluwen wrote:

Durza wrote:Very well, let me put it a different way: No Grey Knight has ever fallen to Chaos. Yet.

No Grey Knight has ever fallen to Chaos, period. They will not fall to Chaos either, unless there is a dramatic rewrite--and even Mat Ward won't do that.

Deal with it.

But you can't definitively say that. For all you know, the whole 'incorruptible' aspect of the Grey Knights may be a build up to an incredibly powerful Chaos Grey Knight who will be the new leader of the Chaos Marines. I didn't say it's very likely, but it could happen if GW decides they want it to. Unless you're involved with fluff writing, you can't say what is and what isn't possible. Deal with that. And please don't come back with a 'and then Kharn will repent' comment, because, yes, that's possible too.

And for Crowe to be more pure, clearly the others are less pure.

Mother Theresa was more pure than most of the members of the Church of her day, but less pure than Jesus Christ. Does that mean that she was a degenerate looking for a chance to snort blow off a rentboy?

So you're saying that since ordinary members of the Church are pure, none of them will ever do anything evil?

Mother Theresa could have been corrupted by the Devil, if you believe in that stuff. The fact that she hasn't been doesn't mean it was never a temptation, nor that she may suddenly become a blood drinking lunatic. It's just highly unlikely. Christ, on the other hand, was completely pure. To put it another way, if you have ten thousand Mother Theresas, one of them will do something bad. It's human nature.

Point is: you can have everyone being pure, with others being more pure. It doesn't detract from the fact that everyone's already pure.

I'm not quite getting your point here. If the entire group has no chance of being corrupted, how can one individual have even less chance?

Durza wrote:
Mother Theresa could have been corrupted by the Devil, if you believe in that stuff. The fact that she hasn't been doesn't mean it was never a temptation, nor that she may suddenly become a blood drinking lunatic. It's just highly unlikely. Christ, on the other hand, was completely pure. To put it another way, if you have ten thousand Mother Theresas, one of them will do something bad. It's human nature.

But that's conjecture, because of all the Mother Theresas, Ghandis, and other people considered saintly, pure, or altruistic we've had, they were pretty uncorruptable. Also, Grey Knights aren't human. They might have been at one point, but to imply that they're subject to 'human nature', well, I can't agree with that.

On the other hand, as long as we're abusing the analogy, what if we were to say that each Grey Knight is as pure as Christ, and then that Crowe is some kind of Superjesus?

Durza wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Durza wrote:Very well, let me put it a different way: No Grey Knight has ever fallen to Chaos. Yet.

No Grey Knight has ever fallen to Chaos, period. They will not fall to Chaos either, unless there is a dramatic rewrite--and even Mat Ward won't do that.

Deal with it.

But you can't definitively say that. For all you know, the whole 'incorruptible' aspect of the Grey Knights may be a build up to an incredibly powerful Chaos Grey Knight who will be the new leader of the Chaos Marines. I didn't say it's very likely, but it could happen if GW decides they want it to. Unless you're involved with fluff writing, you can't say what is and what isn't possible. Deal with that. And please don't come back with a 'and then Kharn will repent' comment, because, yes, that's possible too.

It could happen.

But I also have a chance of winning the Lottery each year for the next 40 years. Me winning the Lottery like that is 100 times more likely then a GK falling to Chaos.


also... GKs will never fall for this reason, and this reason alone.