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For a political rally speaking to constituents, this is hardly surprising.
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That bunch of conservative imbeciles doesn't know which way to sit when they're on the toilet. They don't need to be given any form of power, and if they are--it's a damning testimonial of the idiocy of the conservative movement as it stands.
Kanluwen wrote:Oh yeah, that's exactly what we need.
The flippin' tea party in power.
That bunch of conservative imbeciles doesn't know which way to sit when they're on the toilet. They don't need to be given any form of power, and if they are--it's a damning testimonial of the idiocy of the conservative movement as it stands.
This kind of statement is unnecessary. It's one thing to say that a person is doing something wrong but seriously, what is with liberals today and utterly bashing the ENTIRE right. The Tea Party is an extreme element of conservatism. Most of the GOP candidates have no affiliation whatsoever with the Tea Party. I could lump all liberals together with Stalin and it would be about the same. Now shut your [edited by Moderator].
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Kanluwen wrote:Oh yeah, that's exactly what we need.
The flippin' tea party in power.
That bunch of conservative imbeciles doesn't know which way to sit when they're on the toilet. They don't need to be given any form of power, and if they are--it's a damning testimonial of the idiocy of the conservative movement as it stands.
This kind of statement is unnecessary. It's one thing to say that a person is doing something wrong but seriously, what is with liberals today and utterly bashing the ENTIRE right. The Tea Party is an extreme element of conservatism. Most of the GOP candidates have no affiliation whatsoever with the Tea Party.
That's nice and all, but it doesn't mean that the Tea Party isn't a big factor with the GOP.
Or are we conveniently forgetting Sarah Palin, who was ticketed as the VP during McCain's run for office?
I could lump all liberals together with Stalin and it would be about the same.
No, you really can't. There's nothing similar to Liberal ideals and Joseph Stalin--unless you believe the Tea Party's rhetoric, of course.
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I am not forgetting Sarah Palin thank you very much, and I see , like always, neither is the left. It is incredible how much the left leans on her for fodder against the right. Her, and GW Bush of course. Now, of course, Bush had his obvious shortcomings, even as a republican I can admit to that, but honestly, blaming him is not going to solve anything. Now that we have established that, we can move into the Stalin issue. I mentioned him as an example of the EXTREME LEFT, as you mentioned the tea party as an example of the EXTREME RIGHT. Granted, mine is a bit dated relative to yours, but it holds truth in the claim. The way we are moving in America today is towards Socialism. There is no denying that, and if you do, you are extremely deluded. No, I don't watch Hannity or Beck (I actually am quite annoyed by those two conspiracy theorists), I can just say, that as a student working 40 hours a week to pay for my education while lazy people sitting on their asses get their college payed for them with the 25% of my paycheck that goes to federal taxes. Life is not fair and the sooner liberals realize that and stop trying to make every aspect of American life equal, we will be able to move forward and not lean left or right so heavily.
doodyougotpwwwnd wrote:I am not forgetting Sarah Palin thank you very much, and I see , like always, neither is the left. It is incredible how much the left leans on her for fodder against the right. Her, and GW Bush of course. Now, of course, Bush had his obvious shortcomings, even as a republican I can admit to that, but honestly, blaming him is not going to solve anything.
Nobody said a thing about Bush. Bush was in a bad situation and made some bad choices at the same time. He was too focused on conflict, rather than resolution.
Sarah Palin, however, is not simply "leaned on for fodder against the right". She's representative of the symptom that is inside of the GOP. There is no room within the GOP for the 'moderate' conservatives. She's becoming a rallying point for the 'new' GOP, which is really just the Tea Party given a haircut and shave to get rid of the nutters.
Now that we have established that, we can move into the Stalin issue. I mentioned him as an example of the EXTREME LEFT, as you mentioned the tea party as an example of the EXTREME RIGHT. Granted, mine is a bit dated relative to yours, but it holds truth in the claim. The way we are moving in America today is towards Socialism.
To equate Stalin to Socialism is like equating bunnies with cancer. Just because someone says they are something it doesn't mean they are.
But hey, don't let that logic stop you.
There is no denying that, and if you do, you are extremely deluded.
And that really isn't anything helping your case. "If you deny it, you're delusional!".
No, I don't watch Hannity or Beck (I actually am quite annoyed by those two conspiracy theorists), I can just say, that as a student working 40 hours a week to pay for my education while lazy people sitting on their asses get their college payed for them with the 25% of my paycheck that goes to federal taxes. Life is not fair and the sooner liberals realize that and stop trying to make every aspect of American life equal, we will be able to move forward and not lean left or right so heavily.
I'm a student. I work off and on(mostly during holiday crunches at retail outlets) to pay for a semester(full course load of 12 to 16 credit hours) of classes at a community college. I get no financial assistance, and pay for classes out of my own pocket.
doodyougotpwwwnd wrote: I can just say, that as a student working 40 hours a week to pay for my education while lazy people sitting on their asses get their college payed for them with the 25% of my paycheck that goes to federal taxes.
If 25% of your paycheck is going to federal tax, it must be a hell of a part time job, since the first tax bracket at that percentage is around $170,000.
doodyougotpwwwnd wrote:The Tea Party is an extreme element of conservatism. Most of the GOP candidates have no affiliation whatsoever with the Tea Party.
So, out of the current field of GOP aspirants, only Mitt Romney and John Huntsman do not have strong connections to the Tea Party (and Romney's trying). So by "most", you mean 20%. Which is not the generally recognized usage of "most".
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lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
You guys are screwed. Seriously. I love Americans and all, but there seems to be a serious amount of 'crazy' infecting your national debate these days, and it is a worry.
This is a non-story, and people using it as a stick to beat Obama with are pathetic. Totally pathetic. It was an off-the-cuff reply to someone in the crowd who shouted 'I love you Barack!' He replied 'I love you back', then as an afterthought shouted 'if you love me, pass this bill' etc.
Albatross wrote:What the feth is wrong with you people?
It's... complicated. I presume you're asking what caused our politics to get to this point? I'm sure Sebster will give a better and more accurate narrative then me, but my take on it that we've never really healed the wounds from institutional racism. It's still shaping American politics today, via the Southern Strategy. I think there are probably many right answers, but I think thats the major fundamental one that led to the currently polarization.
lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
Agreeing with Albatross here. This seems to be a spontaneous reply to someone yelling that he loves Obama, and as such I really don't see what the big problem is.
And by the way, regarding the statement that the USA are moving towards Socialism...I'm from Germany, which is a democratic "Sozialstaat", welfare state in English, so definitely a little bit more into the direction of socialism than the USA...and my point is: Your left wing parties and politicians would be, at times, considered part of the right wing here in Germany.
It might seem like the USA are "moving towards socialism", but...that's a bit like standing in the middle of Kansas, taking a step to the West or East and exclaiming "We're moving towards the coast!!!"
You'll still be as far away from pure Socialism as one can be.
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Worryingly, I think the Left in this country is showing the early signs of drifting towards the sort of political neuralgia that the Right in America displays in in bucketloads...
Literally anything that the Coalition (particularly the Tories) does at the moment will be scrutinised in the minutest detail for even the faintest possibility of use as political ammo. Obama is facing the same issue.
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That is modern politics Alby and probably has always been so.
You seriously think the case wasn't true of the Labour government? It's what opposition parties tend to do. The party in office are usually too busy trying to put a positive spin their policies to attack the opposition on a microscopic level of detail, and just resort to the, "It's all the previous lot's fault!" line of arguing.
The only real difference these days is the extensive media coverage, and attempts by all parties to use it to advantage.
As for liberals being like Stalin, I am yet to meet a liberal who thinks killing 20 million jews is a good idea and ditto the mass displacement of ethnic groups from their homeland
I get the impression that the "Cult of Personality" is supposed to be some sort of slam but the image it shows is of MLK. If that is the kind of person that generate a following then I it is hard to see it as a slam. No one gets to any prominent (elected) position w/o one, and many that aren't elected. It applies just as much to Sarah Palin and George W. Bush as it does to Barack Obama.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:That is modern politics Alby and probably has always been so.
Think about that sentence for a second.
You seriously think the case wasn't true of the Labour government? It's what opposition parties tend to do. The party in office are usually too busy trying to put a positive spin their policies to attack the opposition on a microscopic level of detail, and just resort to the, "It's all the previous lot's fault!" line of arguing.
The fact that the Tories could have probably brought down the last Labour adminstration over the Iraq war, and didn't, suddenly springs to mind. I wonder if the roles had been reversed, what would have happened.
Politics has probably always been so is what I meant.
And it was modern politics at the time so it still sort of works in a not very convincing and highly contrived fashion.
The Tories supported the war in Iraq iirc You cannot seriously suggest that Labour are the only nefarious political party who don't play cricket, while the Tories are jolly good sports who never sling mud, with stones hidden inside.
If you love me actually seems to sum up very well the personality/celeb politics we have in the west. It was Gordon Brown's problem. If he didn't try to be all chummy and smile and all the rest of the bull poop he got criticised.
He did the smiley and got panned. Cos to be fair he was crap at it.
Such a pity that we no longer are allowing statesmanship to the fore any more. Bring back the tuc for the PM to wear and leave out all the seed-o.
Please note, the observations are general and not intended as a discussion about specific politicians or parties.
When has politics NOT been an appeal to emotion? No one has ever landed office by actually talking the facts. This seems like the modern day equivalent of kissing babies. You make sure the constituency loves you, and you make them know that you love them (and their vote) and then you bring to light the fact that, though you absolutely hate to sink to his level, you must point out that your opponent kicks puppies and doesn't like apple pie.
Once you've done that, it doesn't matter if your genius plan involves you publicly setting fire to libraries and paving over orphanages to install security checkpoints, because it's too late. You'll just blame those things on the other side of the partisan coin and your blinded-by-emotion followers will believe it sight unseen till the bitter end.
I'd be much more interested in finding out where that magic fix for the economy is and why Washington hates NASA so much.
EDIT: I talk about politics as a whole, not about Obama or one particular side of the partisan coin or they other. Obama sucks, Republicans suck, Democrats suck. I'm not picking on one group here.
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DickBandit wrote:Leaders 101:
Leaders don't make friends, they lead.
The the same rule for being a parent. I cant STAND it when I see parents try to be their kids best friends, rather then be their parent. My cousin does that with her daughter and my wifes, niece, her mom is the same way.
1 is 15, "married" and not only has had many sexual partners, but has her "hubby" sleep at their house all the time...in the same bed. Seriously WTF?!?
2 is a complete fething nutter, and as I type this, is in the metal health wing of the local hospital because she has some incredibly fethed up problems.
Sorry had to vent a bit. Go ahead, carry on, Obama is an idiot.
My assumption is these kids watch "jersey shore" and think its reality right?
I'm sorry to say this... but kids who have parents and not "friend parents" do better in school as far as i can see...
I don't care what your stance on the president is, this is something NO president should say in a speech.....
I think you meant this version of Cult of Personality:
Saw Living Color when they played the U back in the late 80's. They kicked ass.
In response to the OP, I don't see the big deal. I'm no fan of Pres Obama, but at a speech to get folks psyched up I think his comment was fine. Typical of any politician from any party talking to his base without a prepared speech. Politicians gonna be politicians.
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daedalus wrote:When has politics NOT been an appeal to emotion? No one has ever landed office by actually talking the facts. This seems like the modern day equivalent of kissing babies. You make sure the constituency loves you, and you make them know that you love them (and their vote) and then you bring to light the fact that, though you absolutely hate to sink to his level, you must point out that your opponent kicks puppies and doesn't like apple pie.
Once you've done that, it doesn't matter if your genius plan involves you publicly setting fire to libraries and paving over orphanages to install security checkpoints, because it's too late. You'll just blame those things on the other side of the partisan coin and your blinded-by-emotion followers will believe it sight unseen till the bitter end.
I'd be much more interested in finding out where that magic fix for the economy is and why Washington hates NASA so much.
EDIT: I talk about politics as a whole, not about Obama or one particular side of the partisan coin or they other. Obama sucks, Republicans suck, Democrats suck. I'm not picking on one group here.
Lol, this reminded me of the british politician who got in a big stink over him not specifying what kind of biscuit(cookie) he liked.
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