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I dont need to be under the thrall of a chaos god to go home and chop up my mum and dad with a rusty chainsaw. And then use a nail gun to attach my sister to the front of the house. Humans in 40k dont need to be a direct contact with the eye of terror to be a evil villian. The dark elder hate chaos yet they are pure evil. The necrons are weapons against warp and its minions and yet murder in the millions. You dont need to scream praises to the dark gods of chaos doom to be evil, and as humans we can not understand the ways of the xeno. Can there be 'Dark Tau'? If you want tau who are evil / dark then hell why not.

Why is Dark Tau new army?
They just need to made sterilization, using Kroot and Humans as expendable conscripts and feeding their PoW to Kroot and making them work until death fluff valid and true and regular Tau becomes Dark Tau

Yup and there is a built in backstory reason for an evil Tau, the Mont'au.

It's actually a cool reason for an evil force in 40K. It isn't inspired by a dark god or demon. It doesn't involve demons or beings that feed upon the stars.

Instead it's the darkness that lurks deep inside even the best of us all. It's the dark urges of anger, fear and hate unleashed.

It is a natural evil. An evil that we ourselves can feel.

So I really like the concept from a fluff perspective.

I like this idea, Mont'au Raiders sounds pretty awesome and makes some sense fluff wise, and it's not something I can see / find.
Being a Dark Eldar player, with an extended codex (and a skaven player...) that's about to start a Tau force it appeals to me.
Almost tempted to make one...

Ideally I need to get myself a tau codex first though...

Believe it or not, my friend used have his models as dark tau, but he made them a seperate caste, ones exiled by the other caste's and forgotten from tau history, because they had a relative link to a warp-corrupt area on the planet, or something similar anyways, but I liked the idea as using them as a sort of nuetral merc faction in that sense.
Although I do have to agree with kroothawk on this, it seems homemade evil armies dont tend to keep there hype over the guy who made it and quickly inspire regret. As I have seen in many a faction at my local GW.

Mont'au is the tau word for kinstrife. It is the opposite of "For the Greater Good", ie of Tau of all castes working together. The Mont'au is what happened before the ethereals appeared, when the castes fought each other almost to the point of extinction.

It has nothing at all to do with violence towards other races. The Mont'au is the horror of the Tau because it means their races' demise.

So no, it is not a good basis for any 'Dark Tau'. Those are still silly.

Criminal acts may or may not happen in Tau society, but for something to be worth writing a codex about, it should be more than your local neighbourhood crook.

The idea of Dark Tau does not make sense fluffwise. And yes, their society is already plenty dark.

You could always play Dark Tau models as count as Kroot in a regular Tau army.

Skylifter wrote:Mont'au is the tau word for kinstrife. It is the opposite of "For the Greater Good", ie of Tau of all castes working together. The Mont'au is what happened before the ethereals appeared, when the castes fought each other almost to the point of extinction.

It has nothing at all to do with violence towards other races. The Mont'au is the horror of the Tau because it means their races' demise.

So no, it is not a good basis for any 'Dark Tau'. Those are still silly.

Criminal acts may or may not happen in Tau society, but for something to be worth writing a codex about, it should be more than your local neighbourhood crook.

The idea of Dark Tau does not make sense fluffwise. And yes, their society is already plenty dark.

From what I can see, the Mont'au is their baser urges, when order goes bye bye.
So a well organised criminal gang, large enough to have aqquired the resources, and good enough to evade capture / destruction etc to be a space-faring raiding force could logically use it as a name to strike fear into their kin.

At least this is how I'm looking at it.

Also - even if it's a local problem, the battles can still happen and thus be played out.

The Tau are already "dark"...their god damn communists can't get much more evil. If you want to do a pirate army just do human pirates or something, or traitor guard

Dark Tau would be awesome. They could force planetary populations to join their rigid Stalinist caste system at gunpoint, make inferior races all get sterilised, and, erm, oh.

Communists are not inherently evil, not even close.
Hell - the concept of communism is damn near perfect, just because pretty much every human attempts failed is mostly due to the fault of the leaders of the parties. This doesnt mean they're all evil, most are just gonna be people trying to get by.

As an entire race there's going to be variations in ideology. There's going to be criminals and dissdents, aswell as those just plain crazy.

Ovion wrote:Communists are not inherently evil, not even close.
Hell - the concept of communism is damn near perfect, just because pretty much every human attempts failed is mostly due to the fault of the leaders of the parties. This doesnt mean they're all evil, most are just gonna be people trying to get by.

As an entire race there's going to be variations in ideology. There's going to be criminals and dissdents, aswell as those just plain crazy.

It was more or less a joke about it being "evil" as most of us on this forum come from capitalistic nations. Kind of off topic but the reason communism fails is because its accepts mediocrity there is no reason for an individual to work harder. thats why most communist countries now days have a of capitalistic themes. that is why communism doesn't work....the world would look like the 1800's if every country was communist

An evil version of tau would be cool like an extremist cell. Though I also think it would be cool to have a more guerrilla force of tau who are rebelling against the greater good. Units entirely designed around ambush and traps unlike most(maybe all) outside of appoc. And cities of death.

FIrstly tau are already evil and farsight could actually be a good guy (or bad guy) depending on how you read the fluff .

you want evil tau - paint them black and stick lots of spikey stuff and lots of dead body parts

The Tau are good.

The Ethereals . . . that's debatable.

What the hell is wrong with you guys? Why is every idea in this place just shot down?
Its always "Noes you idjiot fluffs wouldnt allow it" or just thats plain stupid.
I, for one, think its a good idea. I dont see why tau cant be pirates. Theyd do just as well as chaos or imperial pirates.
Nor do i see why tau cant fall to chaos. Why not? Just because its unordinary doesnt mean it cant happen.
/rant.
To anyone who doesnt apply to these circumstances, disregaurd this.

Jollydevil wrote:What the hell is wrong with you guys? Why is every idea in this place just shot down?
Its always "Noes you idjiot fluffs wouldnt allow it" or just thats plain stupid.
I, for one, think its a good idea. I dont see why tau cant be pirates. Theyd do just as well as chaos or imperial pirates.
Nor do i see why tau cant fall to chaos. Why not? Just because its unordinary doesnt mean it cant happen.
/rant.
To anyone who doesnt apply to these circumstances, disregaurd this.

It's usually because they are poorly thoughout and because of that pretty stupid...
There are exceptions of course...

Because putting the word Dark or Evil or Chaos before the word Tau dones npt mean the two are gonna fit.

Jollydevil wrote:What the hell is wrong with you guys? Why is every idea in this place just shot down?
Its always "Noes you idjiot fluffs wouldnt allow it" or just thats plain stupid.
I, for one, think its a good idea. I dont see why tau cant be pirates. Theyd do just as well as chaos or imperial pirates.
Nor do i see why tau cant fall to chaos. Why not? Just because its unordinary doesnt mean it cant happen.
/rant.
To anyone who doesnt apply to these circumstances, disregaurd this.

I agree with you, let them do what they want as long as the rules are legit BUT - I wanted too make a non evil daemon army (made of eagle headed daemons that represent the emperors will) as long as you fallow the rules of the codex you use hell you can make an army made of cats for all I care

peebzguy wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:You can paint them any colour scheme you like at the moment.

I get that Kil, but it's one thing to paint them whatever you'd like, but it's another to have a dedicated army with it's own dedicated model line. That's really what I'd like to see, but apparently nobody else wants to see it. I don't see the harm in it, personally.

You do realise that Tau are barely popular enough to justify one model line?

Jollydevil wrote:What the hell is wrong with you guys? Why is every idea in this place just shot down?
Its always "Noes you idjiot fluffs wouldnt allow it" or just thats plain stupid.
I, for one, think its a good idea. I dont see why tau cant be pirates. Theyd do just as well as chaos or imperial pirates.
Nor do i see why tau cant fall to chaos. Why not? Just because its unordinary doesnt mean it cant happen.
/rant.
To anyone who doesnt apply to these circumstances, disregaurd this.

"It is also true that the Tau are a race bereft of psykers. Whether it is due to their limited Warp interaction or something distinct about the Tau mind it means that they are unique amongst the dominant races of the galaxy. For while it does mean that the Tau do not possess the significant advantages that having psykers brings, it is also worthy to note that not one Tau has ever fallen to Chaos. In fact, as a species, the Tau register as barely more than a blip in the Warp and it may well be that this has been their saving grace, protecting the altruism and idealism their race shares from the destructive tendencies of Chaos."

Straight from Lexicanum.

No one said he couldn't do it. If you post topics here you are giving the community the right to criticize your ideas. But if he did go a head and do it, he could get a lot of gak from lore freaks.

I'm all for people thinking up ideas for the universe, but to do something that is clearly stated "NEVER HAPPENS" is going to cause backlash from people who are into lore. As for tau as pirates/chaos, go for it, no one here can stop you but I would guess that a person who posts here wants to hear what the community thinks about it.

Boy this topic went crazy fast. I actually think it's a new record for a tau thread. Anyway yes you can do dark tau. The frist thing people will think when they see them is "something is wrong with these tau". That is kind of the point of dark tau though. There is something wrong with them.

There are ways you can do this.

Farsight tau. There right in the codex as your dark tau. Model wise, I think you should use come kroot parts. Add daggers, bayonets, capes, other tribal symbols. Farsight is what Mont'au tau would look like. (It might be neat to model some tau from the Mont'au, but all they had was muskets back then so you couldn't do a lot with them)

I think we also had a thread on this topic before, but I can't find it right now.

Got a fairly solid idea for the basic troops choice floating in my brain already...

But why the hell not.

I really, really like the sound of that, Ovion! Mont'au Raiders... that's awesome

Ovion wrote:Got a fairly solid idea for the basic troops choice floating in my brain already...

But why the hell not.

Spoiler:

Oh the idea is to make a whole extra codex. (I thought the idea was just modeling things differently.) This sounds fun. So what is your basic troop idea?

All I have read was the topic, and all I can say is this:

FARSIGHT ENCLAVES ARE EVIL ENOUGH

killykavekommando wrote:All I have read was the topic, and all I can say is this:

FARSIGHT ENCLAVES ARE EVIL ENOUGH

Maybe, but I really would like GW to refine and and expand on it a lot. The Farsight rule is kind of what I like, but I want to see it officially developed on a lot further. For the time being I can be satisfied with a nifty paint scheme, conversions, and using Farsight, but I think there is a lot of room for improvement.

peebzguy wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:All I have read was the topic, and all I can say is this:

FARSIGHT ENCLAVES ARE EVIL ENOUGH

Maybe, but I really would like GW to refine and and expand on it a lot. The Farsight rule is kind of what I like, but I want to see it officially developed on a lot further. For the time being I can be satisfied with a nifty paint scheme, conversions, and using Farsight, but I think there is a lot of room for improvement.

Can't argue with that.

A Mont'au army is easy: special rule: "Mont'au army may only attack itself, may not use any advanced weapons." Sounds like an interesting game

nomotog wrote:

Ovion wrote:Got a fairly solid idea for the basic troops choice floating in my brain already...

But why the hell not.

Spoiler:

Oh the idea is to make a whole extra codex. (I thought the idea was just modeling things differently.) This sounds fun. So what is your basic troop idea?

As far as I can tell, the initial thing was the fellow wanted a line of models / a new race, but couldnt be bothered to create a codex himself.
I just thought it was a fun idea and was debating doing it, then with such huge nay-saying in such a silly manner, I decided I just had to do it to annoy those guys as much as attempt to pull it off

My idea for the troop so far is a quicker mobile unit with shorter range weaponry, something that can move/shoot/move and has something like 2 pistols with an 18inch range, the option to switch pistols to ccws and such, and the option of adding a couple of bigger guns, such as special rifles etc.

Kroothawk wrote:A Mont'au army is easy: special rule: "Mont'au army may only attack itself, may not use any advanced weapons." Sounds like an interesting game

I'm doing this as basically a kind of... Tau Mafia or maybe Yakuza type thing, using the power of a name to strike fear