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kitch102 wrote:
THough I do think that giving the nids something to combat poison attacks (and thus make them more resilient against DE) could strike a chord with nid players (I'll hand that one out to you guys to debate... Wdyt?)

While it would be amazing to have my Monstrous Creatures back on the table vs DE, even an upgrade to mitigate poison damage (which won't happen - it's too army specific in my opinion for GW to add it as an option) wouldn't stop the fusillade of Darklight weapons that ignore armor saves altogether, while wounding on 2+.

Dark Eldar didn't break the game for IG, SW, GK, Eldar, or Marines but it sure as hell has hampered Tyranids, Tau, and Necrons (which admittedly are third-tier anyway). My W/L vs DE since their release is about 1:10 though, so I'm admittedly biased here.

Wow here again the internet strikes again, trying to put down the OP for saying something. Maybe he got his source from somewhere else than GD Austrilia?

Wow I left Warseer because of people who have to jump on people for making rumours. I guess members of Dakka Dakka want to become more like Warseer and just try to embarasse or put down other posters.

My what has happened to Dakka Dakk recently?

Kroothawk wrote:BTW here the best two currently available options for a Tervigon:
http://chapterhousestudios.com/webshop/component/virtuemart/?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=100&category_id=34
http://www.puppetswar.com/product.php?id_product=31

But you missed the best one!

-Loki- wrote:There is a unit that can be added that fills a gap no other unit in the codex does.

Ground transport. Basically, ablative protection for assault broods like every other army gets. If it's Phil Kelly doing it, who actually gets the fluff, I have a small glimmer of hope we see a 'bio-tank' return. Specifically, a Malefactor.

New, fills a role the codex lacks, potential for a dual kit to bring about another old bio-tank.

Malefactor / Exocrine / Dactylis kit would be pretty awesome. I could see it being the 'nid version of a land raider.

You know, if the Tyranid army list now DEPENDS on using a choice from the army list in order to be good I see why people are a bit annoyed over their codex. I mean, where is the variety? Or maybe it is a long term game plan, they'll repease the model, it will fly off the shelves filling in numbers to fill its slots in each persons army then a proper codex with balance comes along 6 months later. I see now why they require total secrecy of releases and what they're working on!
While I am for minimum choices in an army (eg: basic infantry in a fantasy army for example) this seems OTT. FAQ/Errata the army so players don't need to take certain choices or bust.

Thanks for linking the source!

I would club baby seals in the streets for a Malefactor to be brought back into the rules.

Thanks for the rumor OP!

As a new Tyranid player I must say that I have trouble seeing how a new unit added will solve our problems. Points values are skewed throughout the codex. I'll wait and see what Mr. Kelly's solution will be.

I don't want to get my hopes up for this.. but...ugh..

hsojvvad wrote:Wow here again the internet strikes again, trying to put down the OP for saying something. Maybe he got his source from somewhere else than GD Austrilia?

Wow I left Warseer because of people who have to jump on people for making rumours. I guess members of Dakka Dakka want to become more like Warseer and just try to embarasse or put down other posters.

My what has happened to Dakka Dakk recently?

I also left Warseer because of this sort of behaviour and I've noticed the trend recently too....


WHY CAN'T WE ALL GET ALONG!!!1!!

(Apart from Blood Angels and Necrons)]

Vermillion wrote:You know, if the Tyranid army list now DEPENDS on using a choice from the army list in order to be good I see why people are a bit annoyed over their codex. I mean, where is the variety? Or maybe it is a long term game plan, they'll repease the model, it will fly off the shelves filling in numbers to fill its slots in each persons army then a proper codex with balance comes along 6 months later. I see now why they require total secrecy of releases and what they're working on!
While I am for minimum choices in an army (eg: basic infantry in a fantasy army for example) this seems OTT. FAQ/Errata the army so players don't need to take certain choices or bust.

The frustrating part is that many of the classic units (Lictors, Carnifexes) were tweaked into pointlessness alongside the release of useless units like the pyrovore. Then the key units which make the codex competitive didn't even get models (Swarmlord, Tervigon, Spore pod, T-fex...).

I'd be thrilled with a FAQ that makes the base Carnifex cost 30-40% less, lets Lictors use an FA slot + start on the board, and moves Zoans into HS. And makes GK players automatically lose nids.

I'd be thrilled with a FAQ that makes the base Carnifex cost 30-40% less, lets Lictors use an FA slot + start on the board, and moves Zoans into HS. And makes GK players automatically lose nids.

How about instead of GK autolose, we get GK and Dark Eldar lose on a single d6 dice off.

hsojvvad wrote:Wow here again the internet strikes again, trying to put down the OP for saying something. Maybe he got his source from somewhere else than GD Austrilia?

Wow I left Warseer because of people who have to jump on people for making rumours. I guess members of Dakka Dakka want to become more like Warseer and just try to embarasse or put down other posters.

My what has happened to Dakka Dakk recently?

RandyMcStab wrote:I also left Warseer because of this sort of behaviour and I've noticed the trend recently too....
WHY CAN'T WE ALL GET ALONG!!!1!!

Erm ... wrong thread?? I am not aware of anybody doubting Andrew Kenrick's statement on GD UK, reposted by the OP.
Maybe the ghosts of Warseer still haunt you

hsojvvad wrote:
My what has happened to Dakka Dakk recently?

Less trolling targets so they got to get what they can in while the gettings good.

-Loki- wrote:We've already heard. The rumour came from the White Dwarf editor. It's in another thread floating around.

I must have missed this. Could you specify which thread? (No sarcasm intended)

Here you go: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/399700.page

Most rumours are stated on page 1, with some more minor ones added later.

Absolutionis wrote:

-Loki- wrote:We've already heard. The rumour came from the White Dwarf editor. It's in another thread floating around.

I must have missed this. Could you specify which thread? (No sarcasm intended)

Also reposted on the first page, if you are willing to browse through ... both pages of this thread

Hah! Sorry! I thought that was a different link.

LOVELY! Except. Wait.

Half the codex is missing models.

lord_blackfang wrote:How can you guys complain that the current codex sucks and argue against an update in the same breath?

1. We like to complain.

2. The WD "Update" Codices have a reputation for being overly simplistic and otherwise not-very-good.

Balance wrote:2. The WD "Update" Codices have a reputation for being overly simplistic and otherwise not-very-good.

Except that it will likely be less an update codex as a codex addition, much like the Eldar Nightspinner which is a remarkably well balanced addition.

StraightSilver wrote:Unfortunately GW were unable to release their Tervigon kit (see my other comments elsewhere) as they had intended and so are having to make do with a White Dwarf bolt on.

Essentially the WD rules will be a Tervigon and something else, and the kit will make both models, a bit like the new Ogre Kingdoms monsters.

At least this is what I have been told, don't know if it's true or not.

There may also be another much larger Tyranid kit coming out too.....

It's the same thing they did with the Eldar night spinne when they turned the Fire Prism into a 2 model kit.

Mick A wrote:Tyranid players around here have given up with the latest codex and are using the last one...

Mick

You mean for tournaments though right? because i find them epic fun to play and everyone here at work has a nids army or has started one lol. We only play against each other.

hsojvvad wrote:Wow here again the internet strikes again, trying to put down the OP for saying something. Maybe he got his source from somewhere else than GD Austrilia?

Wow I left Warseer because of people who have to jump on people for making rumours. I guess members of Dakka Dakka want to become more like Warseer and just try to embarasse or put down other posters.

My what has happened to Dakka Dakk recently?

RandyMcStab wrote:I also left Warseer because of this sort of behaviour and I've noticed the trend recently too....
WHY CAN'T WE ALL GET ALONG!!!1!!

Hmm, Warseer posters coming to Dakka, and Dakka's overall quality decreasing slightly. I wonder what the connection is?

That said I agree 100% that the whole attacking people who provide rumors deal is 100% bs and needs to be put to an end.

xttz wrote:

Vermillion wrote:You know, if the Tyranid army list now DEPENDS on using a choice from the army list in order to be good I see why people are a bit annoyed over their codex. I mean, where is the variety? Or maybe it is a long term game plan, they'll repease the model, it will fly off the shelves filling in numbers to fill its slots in each persons army then a proper codex with balance comes along 6 months later. I see now why they require total secrecy of releases and what they're working on!
While I am for minimum choices in an army (eg: basic infantry in a fantasy army for example) this seems OTT. FAQ/Errata the army so players don't need to take certain choices or bust.

The frustrating part is that many of the classic units (Lictors, Carnifexes) were tweaked into pointlessness alongside the release of useless units like the pyrovore. Then the key units which make the codex competitive didn't even get models (Swarmlord, Tervigon, Spore pod, T-fex...).

I'd be thrilled with a FAQ that makes the base Carnifex cost 30-40% less, lets Lictors use an FA slot + start on the board, and moves Zoans into HS. And makes GK players automatically lose nids.

Havent seen a nid player in a long long time, guess this says why. At least the DA dex has a workable list in it, and the eldar still work pretty well. Nid players, you have my sympathy alongside the necron players (until november )
But still HAVING to base an army around certain models or not even worth fielding an army...

It does suck. Isn't that kind of the way it's been for a while? 3rd ed was a bit more diversified iirc, but gaunts were best, then 4th obviously 6x carnifexes + genestealers.

But honestly now you don't have to base your army around certain models... there's still question of hive guard vs zoanthropes, t-fexes are questionable, some people use gargoyles and harpies, some people use ravenors and trygons, some people use tons of tervigons as troops and some use genestealers.

Honestly though overall nids could use a slight boost, I think they have plenty of diversity.

Oh, there's plenty of diversity. I wouldn't say any particular list must take given units, especially not to the effect of "Oh? You play one of ten Space Marine variants? Here are your Rhinos. Your troop choice will always be this." The problem is that it's hard not to have diversity when all of your choices range between bad and mediocre.

lord_blackfang wrote:How can you guys complain that the current codex sucks and argue against an update in the same breath?

The people claiming that the codex sucks weren't the same people complaining about an update.

-Loki- wrote:The fact that the chapterhouse Tervigon is up there as 'the best' of whats available is really sad, because it's up there with the worst models I've seen. And none of this is making me warm to chapterhouse either. At least they could lift their game and make their models worth buying.

A lot of whats bad about the Tervigon kit from chapterhouse is the colours they choose for the picture.

When I pieced the kit together, I was VERY unhappy with it, I had to use some green stuff to fill the gaps and it felt like a very cheap mould.

After getting completed and glued together, and primed - I've gotten SO MANY compliments on how well it looks on the table, so I'd actually recommend the chapterhouse one if you have some green stuff laying around. Truthfully, i just had to use it on the back vents/exhausts to make it look complete since the mould didn't 100% line up with the GW bits.

see below (sorry about the messy desk lol)

Sorry, cryage, your pics don't make it look any better than Chapterhouse's do. It's still ridiculously top-heavy. The actual detail work isn't bad, but it needs a lower half to match the top.

-Loki- wrote:The fact that the chapterhouse Tervigon is up there as 'the best' of whats available is really sad, because it's up there with the worst models I've seen. And none of this is making me warm to chapterhouse either. At least they could lift their game and make their models worth buying.

The Puupet Wars one IS currently the best option.