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TrollPie wrote:Speaking of which, does the UK have a pledge? Was the UK's national anthem God Save the Queen or Rule Britannia? Does not knowing this make me a flag-burning terrorist?

Yes, yes it does. Expect Matty to be about directly to terminate your command with extreme predjudice.

Frazzled wrote:

TrollPie wrote:Speaking of which, does the UK have a pledge? Was the UK's national anthem God Save the Queen or Rule Britannia? Does not knowing this make me a flag-burning terrorist?

Yes, yes it does. Expect Matty to be about directly to terminate your command with extreme predjudice.

If we do have a pledge i've never heard it or heard it talked of... there's one for the armed forces IIRC...

TrollPie wrote:I honestly have no idea what the problem is here. In a Spanish class they learnt something about the closest Spanish speaking country to them, but because it was Mexico and it was a pledge it suddenly becomes news. Seriously, does anyone take pledges seriously? Speaking of which, does the UK have a pledge? Was the UK's national anthem God Save the Queen or Rule Britannia? Does not knowing this make me a flag-burning terrorist?

It's god save the queen, which is also Englands unofficial anthem (also used by a fair bit of the common wealth) rule britannia is a military song mostly associated with the royal navy (also used by royal army) i think we have some kind of pledge, pledging loyalty to the queen, only used when becoming a british citizen and maybe at pompous displays so not really important.

Wait, thats not where you pledge to drink warm beer and speak in accents incomprehensible even to yourselves?

curtis wrote:

TrollPie wrote:I honestly have no idea what the problem is here. In a Spanish class they learnt something about the closest Spanish speaking country to them, but because it was Mexico and it was a pledge it suddenly becomes news. Seriously, does anyone take pledges seriously? Speaking of which, does the UK have a pledge? Was the UK's national anthem God Save the Queen or Rule Britannia? Does not knowing this make me a flag-burning terrorist?

It's god save the queen, which is also Englands unofficial anthem (also used by a fair bit of the common wealth) rule britannia is a military song mostly associated with the royal navy (also used by royal army) i think we have some kind of pledge, pledging loyalty to the queen, only used when becoming a british citizen and maybe at pompous displays so not really important.

Royal army?
Turns out we do have an oath: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_Allegiance_(United_Kingdom)

I was under the impression that if you said aloud another nation's anthem and pledge of allegiance/similar written document, that you automatically revoked your current citizenship and adopted that nation's citizenship. That whole class just became Mexican! Heresy!

/endsarcasm

That student took it WAY too seriously. Blown way out of proportion. This is why we can't have nice things.

purplefood wrote:

curtis wrote:

TrollPie wrote:I honestly have no idea what the problem is here. In a Spanish class they learnt something about the closest Spanish speaking country to them, but because it was Mexico and it was a pledge it suddenly becomes news. Seriously, does anyone take pledges seriously? Speaking of which, does the UK have a pledge? Was the UK's national anthem God Save the Queen or Rule Britannia? Does not knowing this make me a flag-burning terrorist?

It's god save the queen, which is also Englands unofficial anthem (also used by a fair bit of the common wealth) rule britannia is a military song mostly associated with the royal navy (also used by royal army) i think we have some kind of pledge, pledging loyalty to the queen, only used when becoming a british citizen and maybe at pompous displays so not really important.

Royal army?
Turns out we do have an oath: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_Allegiance_(United_Kingdom)

Well I did say we did, I'm just not sure about the use of it with only knowing it was part of obtaining british citizenship

curtis wrote:

purplefood wrote:

curtis wrote:

TrollPie wrote:I honestly have no idea what the problem is here. In a Spanish class they learnt something about the closest Spanish speaking country to them, but because it was Mexico and it was a pledge it suddenly becomes news. Seriously, does anyone take pledges seriously? Speaking of which, does the UK have a pledge? Was the UK's national anthem God Save the Queen or Rule Britannia? Does not knowing this make me a flag-burning terrorist?

It's god save the queen, which is also Englands unofficial anthem (also used by a fair bit of the common wealth) rule britannia is a military song mostly associated with the royal navy (also used by royal army) i think we have some kind of pledge, pledging loyalty to the queen, only used when becoming a british citizen and maybe at pompous displays so not really important.

Royal army?
Turns out we do have an oath: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_Allegiance_(United_Kingdom)

Well I did say we did, I'm just not sure about the use of it with only knowing it was part of obtaining british citizenship

I know but i said we didn't...

We have an oath, we sign it rather than speak it though.

corpsesarefun wrote:We have an oath, we sign it rather than speak it though.

I never signed anything like that??



Also @purplefood; Gotcha

I agree it is a good tool to learn Spanish. The problem is all the bro-ha-ha over the US Pledge of Allegiance and the fact that it is no longer a part of the daily culture of schools. It does seem ludicrous to teach the Mexican Pledge and not cover the US pledge. I will query whether those same Spanish students have an idea of what the US Pledge says.

However it is a matter of a tool for teaching a language. It is NOT a political protest in favor of ceceding Texas back to Mexico. No matter who wants to make that the issue.

Do you own a passport curtis? if not then you may not have signed it.

Blacksails wrote:I was under the impression that if you said aloud another nation's anthem and pledge of allegiance/similar written document, that you automatically revoked your current citizenship and adopted that nation's citizenship. That whole class just became Mexican! Heresy!

/endsarcasm

That student took it WAY too seriously. Blown way out of proportion. This is why we can't have nice things.

You're forgetting, there's a bit of history between Mexico and Texas. I think the best comparison would be for a Brit to be told to recite the French pledge of allegiance (again if they have one).

Frazzled wrote:
What does Spanish have to do with reciting the Mexican national anthem? If you were going to recite any non-US/Texas anthem, it'd be...er Spain.

Most high schools in America don't teach the Spanish dialect, they teach Mexican Spanish. The most notable difference is the use of vosotros, which is something you don't need to know unless you plan on speaking to a Spaniard.

Frazzled wrote:

Blacksails wrote:I was under the impression that if you said aloud another nation's anthem and pledge of allegiance/similar written document, that you automatically revoked your current citizenship and adopted that nation's citizenship. That whole class just became Mexican! Heresy!

/endsarcasm

That student took it WAY too seriously. Blown way out of proportion. This is why we can't have nice things.

You're forgetting, there's a bit of history between Mexico and Texas. I think the best comparison would be for a Brit to be told to recite the French pledge of allegiance (again if they have one).

Not really...
Forgetting that the 'rivalry' between France and Britain is a touch different most people in Britain either don't care or don't really have a problem with the French...
EDIT:That said you did say best comparison not perfect comparison...

Frazzled wrote:
The Aussie anthem is in English, yet I never recited the Aussie anthem in English class.

Because teaching native speakers about their own language is exactly the same as teaching non-native speakers another language.

corpsesarefun wrote:Do you own a passport curtis? if not then you may not have signed it.

Haven't held an adult one, does it count on a childs one, anyway doesn't matter doesn't make me anyless English


And I'm with purplefood about EnglishXcountry rivalies, it isn't there till we get to a sporting event

purplefood wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Blacksails wrote:I was under the impression that if you said aloud another nation's anthem and pledge of allegiance/similar written document, that you automatically revoked your current citizenship and adopted that nation's citizenship. That whole class just became Mexican! Heresy!

/endsarcasm

That student took it WAY too seriously. Blown way out of proportion. This is why we can't have nice things.

You're forgetting, there's a bit of history between Mexico and Texas. I think the best comparison would be for a Brit to be told to recite the French pledge of allegiance (again if they have one).

Not really...
Forgetting that the 'rivalry' between France and Britain is a touch different most people in Britain either don't care or don't really have a problem with the French...
EDIT:That said you did say best comparison not perfect comparison...

Maybe this is more appropriate. Fans of Manchester United being forced to sing the team anthem from Liverpool?

As soon as I saw Glenn Beck, I stopped reading.

dogma wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
What does Spanish have to do with reciting the Mexican national anthem? If you were going to recite any non-US/Texas anthem, it'd be...er Spain.

Most high schools in America don't teach the Spanish dialect, they teach Mexican Spanish. The most notable difference is the use of vosotros, which is something you don't need to know unless you plan on speaking to a Spaniard.

I'd disagree, that most are actually not teaching a Mexican dialect. The district in question though - you betcha.


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Goddard wrote:As soon as I Glenn Beck, I stopped reading.

What are you talking about? Whats with the O dear baby Speghetti Monster is this a Glen Beck monologue?

Frazzled wrote:

Goddard wrote:As soon as I Glenn Beck, I stopped reading.

What are you talking about? Whats with the O dear baby Speghetti Monster is this a Glen Beck monologue?

Doh...

Fix'd

according to Perry they teach creationism there as well

Frazzled wrote:
You're forgetting, there's a bit of history between Mexico and Texas. I think the best comparison would be for a Brit to be told to recite the French pledge of allegiance (again if they have one).

Somehow I doubt the student or parent involved know anything about that history....if Texas' standardized test results are any indication...

agnosto wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
You're forgetting, there's a bit of history between Mexico and Texas. I think the best comparison would be for a Brit to be told to recite the French pledge of allegiance (again if they have one).

Somehow I doubt the student or parent involved know anything about that history....if Texas' standardized test results are any indication...

Did I ever mention how flat Oklahoma was?

Frazzled wrote:
Did I ever mention how flat Oklahoma was?

Was? Still is, last time I checked. **walks to window** Yeah, I can see Russia from here.

I didn't bother to read anything after the 5th post or so. You clearly missed the point. A pledge of allegiance is an OATH OF LOYALTY. I know most Americans, and presumably most people from other countries think of it as something they are forced to say every morning in secondary school, etc. But the words actually have a meaning and the Pledge has its purpose. Reciting another countries pledge of allegiance is in effect act of treason in its own subtle way. Besides that, reciting an oath/pledge without meaning the words that come out of your mouth is technically bearing false witness.

Theres a reason why its called a "Pledge of Allegiance" and not something to the effect of "Statement of National Solidarity" or somesuch. I couldn't care less about the national anthem, ultimately its a song and doesn't necessarily mean anything, but the Pledge is kind of, or is supposed to be, a big deal.

agnosto wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
Did I ever mention how flat Oklahoma was?

Was? Still is, last time I checked. **walks to window** Yeah, I can see Russia from here.

On the positive, hurricanes are not ravaging death storms once they get there and I don't think the entire state was on fire, unlike texas.

TrollPie wrote:I honestly have no idea what the problem is here. In a Spanish class they learnt something about the closest Spanish speaking country to them, but because it was Mexico and it was a pledge it suddenly becomes news. Seriously, does anyone take pledges seriously? Speaking of which, does the UK have a pledge? Was the UK's national anthem God Save the Queen or Rule Britannia? Does not knowing this make me a flag-burning terrorist?

Yes, you have just pissed on the queen mothers grave as far as I am concerned and as such I have been forced to send the boyz round to deal with you.

If you look out your back window right about now....

chaos0xomega wrote: Besides that, reciting an oath/pledge without meaning the words that come out of your mouth is technically bearing false witness.

So's all that Latin drivel that the church spouts but it doesn't mean it's any less fun to translate when you're in HS. Words only have meaning when there is belief and intent behind them people reciting something that has cultural signifigance to another country's people, in their language, is nothing more than a means to create a deeper understanding of that culture, those people and that language. The intent of the recitation was clearly outlined and explained to be nothing more than a cultural exercise with options provided for anyone who objected; noone was forced to participate and noone was deported. The beautiful thing about this great country that some of us happen to live in is that we are all immigrants whose ancesters brought their disparate cultures and ideals with them...even their cultural and prior-citizenship. You want to see someone angry, force a group of traditionalist American-Indians to recite that pledge in primary/secondary school; it's like promising to support and defend the very ideals that destroyed your culture and decimated your people.

To me It's kind of like taking a tour of the DMZ in S. Korea; you walk into a building and move around while listening to the tour guide until he says "Ok, now everybody on this side of the room, you are now in N. Korean territory; if you want to defect, by treaty we are forced to inform you that you will not be stopped or hindered in any way, the door is behind you." Unless you have intent to defect to N. Korea, your little escapade is nothing more than a pre-planned quasi-joke made by a stone-faced, armed serviceman pulling double-duty as a tour-guide.


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Frazzled wrote:
On the positive, hurricanes are not ravaging death storms once they get there and I don't think the entire state was on fire, unlike texas.

Nah, we just get massive death funnels that wipe We hardly had any rain all year, there wasn't really all that much left to burn.

am I to understand that this will turn TX back into a Mexican territory?


if not who cares? the kids are learning a language, and one way you do that is by having them learn common phrases and or sentences.


if you have the point of view as I am thinking the story does, then they shouldn't even teach Spanish in TX, the Heresy!