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purplefood wrote:

Ahtman wrote:

WarlordRob117 wrote:... For I am one of the individuals responsible for the rights of Americans...

Americans (or other humans for that matter) rights are not granted to us by the military, nor is the military responsible for creating them.

Can I just say, I didn't say that...

Fixed it. Sorry about that. I didn't realize it had the wrong name in there.

WarlordRob117 wrote:
How dare you accuse me of being a Racist when you have no idea my upbringing or my life... especially when you apparently dont even know what the word means... To be a racist is to be hateful towards a group due to their skin color... I am an American who has earned his place and I have a Puerto Rican father... your hypocrisy based on your ignorance is astounding...

That's not what hypocrisy is.

WarlordRob117 wrote:
its called life, deal with it

Well, not really, its called a judgment made by a particular person relative to a particular issue.

WarlordRob117 wrote:
My statement was in reference to the traditional mexican who would be offended that we are so casually teaching a very important part of mexican tradition for which we have no idea what its stands for until we live it.

Better stop teaching American children about the Revolution then, they didn't live it, after all.

WarlordRob117 wrote:
Stop being like every other person who claims to have an education and then let the veil fall because you have a brain fart... it makes you look unintelligent...

So does using an ellipsis incorrectly.

Ahtman wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Ahtman wrote:

WarlordRob117 wrote:... For I am one of the individuals responsible for the rights of Americans...

Americans (or other humans for that matter) rights are not granted to us by the military, nor is the military responsible for creating them.

Can I just say, I didn't say that...

Fixed it. Sorry about that. I didn't realize it had the wrong name in there.

No worries...

dogma wrote:

George Washington wouldn't have known what a Mexican, Cuban, or Puerto Rican was; not in the sense we do anyway. And he certainly wouldn't have been oppressing them.

He did know who the native residents of the land were though and considering the known trade relations with the Mayans went all the way to the Ohio river valley and beyond...ya see, the world's not as big as some peopel think, silk road and what not. Not a big difference back then between a "Mexican" and "Cuban" or a "Puerto Rican" native resident (not transplated slave or white settler). If by oppression you mean "killing" well, you're wrong because there was lots of that going on though Washington, himself, was slightly more altruistic since he pushed the continental congress to be more friendly to the natives but that was more survival than anything else since nobody sane wants to fight a two front war.

WarlordRob117 wrote:Now on to my feelings/opinion... I declare heresy against the spanish teacher and everyone on any school board that thinks using another nation/countries emblems as play things.

It's not a plaything. It's a learning tool. Just like an earlier poster talked about his students in South Korea learning to recite the American Pledge of Allegiance. No disrespect is given or implied. The language learner is learning something about the culture along with the language. That's a normal and traditional part of language learning.

WarlordRob117 wrote:Those allegiances and pledges mean something to people, and when someone recites something out for the sake of...

Context matters. Do you also believe that if you learn and recite a prayer from another religion while studying Comparative Religion that it changes your religion? Or that if you play Dr. Faustus in a play, by reciting your lines you are literally making a deal with the devil? Of course not.

WarlordRob117 wrote:George Washington would turn butt up in his grave if he knew stuff like this was going on. !!!

I strongly suspect the George Washington knew at least a little French. And that he would be entirely supportive of this learning exercise. I rather suspect that Jefferson might have sung La Marseillaise at some point after it was adopted as France's anthem in 1795.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_multilingual_Presidents_of_the_United_States

This is not a useful or Dakka-appropriate way to express oneself.

I'm just going to say this:

You Flip Flop like a Bermuda Beach.

agnosto wrote:
He did know who the native residents of the land were though and considering the known trade relations with the Mayans went all the way to the Ohio river valley and beyond...ya see, the world's not as big as some peopel think, silk road and what not. Not a big difference back then between a "Mexican" and "Cuban" or a "Puerto Rican" native resident (not transplated slave or white settler). If by oppression you mean "killing" well, you're wrong because there was lots of that going on though Washington, himself, was slightly more altruistic since he pushed the continental congress to be more friendly to the natives but that was more survival than anything else since nobody sane wants to fight a two front war.

At the time, oppressing Cubans, Puerto Ricans, or Mexicans would have meant invading Spanish territory; which Washington did not do. Nor did he oppress native residents of those places.

Native does not mean "Native of Cuba, Puerto Rico, or spain."


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WarlordRob117 wrote:
I will not entertain the notion that you fools are trying to get e rise out of me by refering to my profession in a condescending tone, along the with ones who have died throughout history because they died for freedom based on rules and laws which are basic to every man, not just Americans...

Is that why the American Civil War happened, because freedom based on rules and laws have been basic to every man?

WarlordRob117 wrote:
You all lack ambition, and its no wonder why you focus all your time on a wargamming forum talking about issues of this matter because to you its big joke.

I don't see what ambition has to do with this, free time sure, but ambition...not so much.

WarlordRob117 wrote:
All of our tenants, Truth, Justice, Honor, Personal Courage, Respect, things that used to matter are now lost to people who would rather free a murderer than give the citizen back their status... meanwhile my real family has to accept the fact that they may not get paid in a week or two because the defense budget hasnt been approved...

Perhaps you should, then, stop being involved in such an expensive hobby. Unless you aren't involved in this hobby, in which case: why are you here?

WarlordRob117 wrote:
I dont expect you to understand, but ask yourself an honest question, without cynacism or immaturity... how long would you last in our shoes?

Presuming you mean those who live under liver fire, probably not long, but that's why I chose a life which is distinct from that one.

How long would you last in my shoes?

WarlordRob117 wrote:Its obvious that Im surrounded by individuals who have no respect for being a responsible human being, let alone an American.

You seem to have trouble with people not thinking like you. Considering the population of the planet, you must have a rough time of it. When we add in that you have been way off base as well, it just makes the whole thing kind of sad.

WarlordRob117 wrote:I will not entertain the notion that you fools are trying to get e rise out of me by refering to my profession in a condescending tone

I would say you were trolling at this point, but I don't think you have the creativity for that. No one has besmirched being in the military in the slightest. We have pointed out that soldiers aren't super being from which all laws, life, and love flow from. If anything, you have been doing a disservice by severely misrepresenting the military by trying to pretend you speak for all servicemen as well as having a profound misunderstanding of the role of the military within the context of the United States. The brand of militarism you are spouting off is the kind of thing even the conflicted Founding Fathers worried about.

WarlordRob117 wrote:I pity you...

Why thank you.

Having grown up in and around the military, you come off as sounding more like someone not in the military but someone that really, really wants to be. Perhaps you couldn't pass the psych evaluation or ASVAB, who knows, but your idolizing of it smacks more of having experience with Tom Clancy novels than the reality of service.


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dogma wrote:

agnosto wrote:
He did know who the native residents of the land were though and considering the known trade relations with the Mayans went all the way to the Ohio river valley and beyond...ya see, the world's not as big as some peopel think, silk road and what not. Not a big difference back then between a "Mexican" and "Cuban" or a "Puerto Rican" native resident (not transplated slave or white settler). If by oppression you mean "killing" well, you're wrong because there was lots of that going on though Washington, himself, was slightly more altruistic since he pushed the continental congress to be more friendly to the natives but that was more survival than anything else since nobody sane wants to fight a two front war.

At the time, oppressing Cubans, Puerto Ricans, or Mexicans would have meant invading Spanish territory; which Washington did not do. Nor did he oppress native residents of those places.

Native does not mean "Native of Cuba, Puerto Rico, or spain."

Not to mention of the Native American tribes he did have to deal with as President he tried to make sure that colonists stopped screweing with them. The letters between him and the Secretary of War are good reads.

dogma wrote:How long would you last in my shoes?

How long can you stay in grad school with a 1.2 gpa?

corpsesarefun wrote:1066.

Indeed. The British kings didn't speak English for generations. They spoke French.



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Melissia wrote:Personally, I sang "Under Zod".

But then, I'm a nerd.

Thats because Zod has a cool beard.


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corpsesarefun wrote:Meh the normans were effectively french, it is a bit silly trying to talk about countries in europe over such a long period of time due to the boundries changing every hundred years or so.

Except for Switzerland. No one s with Switzerland. Freedom, chocolate, and excellent time pieces. Is there a connection?

Frazzled wrote:

Blacksails wrote:I was under the impression that if you said aloud another nation's anthem and pledge of allegiance/similar written document, that you automatically revoked your current citizenship and adopted that nation's citizenship. That whole class just became Mexican! Heresy!

/endsarcasm

That student took it WAY too seriously. Blown way out of proportion. This is why we can't have nice things.

You're forgetting, there's a bit of history between Mexico and Texas. I think the best comparison would be for a Brit to be told to recite the French pledge of allegiance (again if they have one).

I learned and sang the French national anthem in French class.

It is a pretty standard way of studying another country's language and culture.

No-one batted an eyelid.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Blacksails wrote:I was under the impression that if you said aloud another nation's anthem and pledge of allegiance/similar written document, that you automatically revoked your current citizenship and adopted that nation's citizenship. That whole class just became Mexican! Heresy!

/endsarcasm

That student took it WAY too seriously. Blown way out of proportion. This is why we can't have nice things.

You're forgetting, there's a bit of history between Mexico and Texas. I think the best comparison would be for a Brit to be told to recite the French pledge of allegiance (again if they have one).

I learned and sang the French national anthem in French class.

It is a pretty standard way of studying another country's language and culture.

No-one batted an eyelid.

I took German for years, but the last year the German teacher quit and I was put into French 1. Hated it. It is wrong to be French, and the urge to demand the teacher's surrender was overpowering.