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Warboss ZanZag wrote:

Ahtman wrote:

Warboss ZanZag wrote: Sith Juggernaut FTW

Come at me bro

I see your Jedi Sentinel, and raise with a Sith Juggernaut!

Yeah the picture is big, but it has to be because of the awesomeness

I see both of those and raise you orks
[img]http://images.wikia.com/war40kdarkmillenium/images/1/14/Dark_Millenium_2_BoLS.jpg[img]
and a song to go with it
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whxcq4I0kAo[youtube]

malfred wrote:Actually, I'm interested in WoW now.

Monk class! Fighting pandas!

I'm happy.

Get Annual subscription and get Diablo III for free.

wtf...really?

I've been playing WoW off an on since release, and Cata kind of killed it for me. This announcement has done nothing to change my opinion. Especially after spending some time in TOR.

Is there any word as to whether this is one of those "Heroic
Class" classes (and therefore, only open to high level players) or
will I get to play as a pandaren from level 1?

The whole pet battles thing has me interested. I've got like fifty on one toon... it would be bad ass to use them in a mini game of sorts. I stopped playing a month or 2 after cata but the minigame might bring me back.

The whole pay one year of WoW subs and you get D3 for free plus Pandaria beta and another loosely ressemblant winged horse (is it the 3rd now?) shows how much they're in damage control mode. What better way to camouflage lost subs than locking them up for at least a year?

N'Ferno wrote:The whole pay one year of WoW subs and you get D3 for free plus Pandaria beta and another loosely ressemblant winged horse (is it the 3rd now?) shows how much they're in damage control mode. What better way to camouflage lost subs than locking them up for at least a year?

There is a promotion every year ( in every new expansion )
This is to promote / encourage new players to join without feeling intimidated of repurchasing ALL the expansions.
Since the battle chest only covered to Burning Crusade, there is still Litch King, Cataclysm, and now this.

Discount is very much needed to be up to date , without conspiracy theory of "damage control"

malfred wrote:Is there any word as to whether this is one of those "Heroic
Class" classes (and therefore, only open to high level players) or
will I get to play as a pandaren from level 1?

I think its lvl 1 start.
http://us.media.blizzard.com/wow/promotion/wap/en-us.html

It is damage control in the sense that they have two major rivals (ToR and GW2) being released soon and want to try and retain as many players as possible, or lure back older players. It is neither a conspiracy theory nor is it unreasonable to be proactive when dealing with competition; it is marketing.

GW2 won't be released this year and is unlikely to come out in jan or feb next year.

The pinky pie sig isn't as good as the rainbowdash matrix sig btw luna.

Ahtman wrote:It is damage control in the sense that they have two major rivals (ToR and GW2) being released soon and want to try and retain as many players as possible, or lure back older players. It is neither a conspiracy theory nor is it unreasonable to be proactive when dealing with competition; it is marketing.

Anything can be possible.
However, the fact that there has been a discount every year for every expansion since even all the way back to first expansion Burning Crusade
( despite WoW sales going strong ) speaks other wise.

Either way Blizzard has been smart and treating their customers right since the very beginning.
These promotions are not sudden turn of events.

corpsesarefun wrote:The pinky pie sig isn't as good as the rainbowdash matrix sig btw luna.

Hehe thanks, this one i didn't make, but just seeing how transparency work on different Dakka Theme layouts.

Still yet to make one i like :3

The promotions are larger than in previous years though, that is the point most people are trying to get at.

This is a perfectly logical choice by blizzard when serious competition is released.

LunaHound wrote:

Ahtman wrote:It is damage control in the sense that they have two major rivals (ToR and GW2) being released soon and want to try and retain as many players as possible, or lure back older players. It is neither a conspiracy theory nor is it unreasonable to be proactive when dealing with competition; it is marketing.

Anything can be possible.
However, the fact that there has been a discount every year for every expansion since even all the way back to first expansion Burning Crusade
( despite WoW sales going strong ) speaks other wise.

Either way Blizzard has been smart and treating their customers right since the very beginning.
These promotions are not sudden turn of events.

We aren't talking about a discount on the games , but the free Diablo III as well as a winged mount. It was also not said that gamers were being abused or that Blizzard is being horrible.

corpsesarefun wrote:The promotions are larger than in previous years though, that is the point most people are trying to get at.

This is a perfectly logical choice by blizzard when serious competition is released.

Exactly. It isn't a conspiracy and it isn't Blizzard being accused of anything untoward. Understanding why they are doing doesn't mean it is somehow disingenuous. They do have legitimate reasons to worry about GW2 and ToR siphoning off players. Even if they only get 100k people to switch that is a pretty good chunk of change gone. Instead of acting like nothing is happening they are catering to the fan base and trying to lure customers back. Seems like a good idea and something I would do if I were a company.

The amount of discount with Diablo is actually less.
Assuming the game itself is $60 ish.

Previous discounts amounts to $70+ when expansions were dropped down to $5

Yes its a good deal, for people like me that wants to play D3

It is a very good deal, that is exactly what we are saying.

corpsesarefun wrote:It is a very good deal, that is exactly what we are saying.

Ok Im done laundry, so allow me to elaborate.

Its a good deal to encourage sales for people that are curious or interested in D3.

It is however, a really bad deal for people that stuck around for WoW itself.
Or for people that are planning to get into WoW, without the interest of D3.

Which if this promotion is aimed towards establishing MMO customers away from TOR or other MMORPG
There is no actual discount, because there is more than 1 type of customer.

Blizzard isn't interested purely in WoW though, if they were they would be exceedingly stupid.

corpsesarefun wrote:Blizzard isn't interested purely in WoW though, if they were they would be exceedingly stupid.

No they arnt. But that doesn't mean this promotion is aimed towards "loss of WoW subscription" some are claiming.

Just because point A and B is not equal to C doesn't mean A = B

Is Blizzard trying to get people interested in D3? yes.

But does that mean its because WoW is losing subscribers? and Need the promotion? No.

Sounds boring.

Melissia wrote:Sounds boring.

As boring as WoW might sound, i still prefer boring over dead.

LunaHound wrote:
Is Blizzard trying to get people interested in D3? yes.

But does that mean its because WoW is losing subscribers? and Need the promotion? No.

Blizz sees a potential loss of WoW subscriptions ergo needs to promote either WoW or another source of income such as diablo three.

The promotion does both.

corpsesarefun wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
Is Blizzard trying to get people interested in D3? yes.

But does that mean its because WoW is losing subscribers? and Need the promotion? No.

Blizz sees a potential loss of WoW subscriptions ergo needs to promote either WoW or another source of income such as diablo three.

The promotion does both.

Like i said, i agree with you the promotion will grab one type of customer, which is the ones that has interest in D3.
But its not going to grab the WoW players that wants to play WoW. Because a free game that customer B doesn't play isn't worth anything.
And ultimately D3 isnt WoW , and neither will WoW be replaced by D3

Dedicated WoW players who just want to play WoW and don't care about other free games will buy this expansion regardless.

corpsesarefun wrote:Dedicated WoW players who just want to play WoW and don't care about other free games will buy this expansion regardless.

The ones that are starting WoW, with friend, or rejoining WoW without certain expansions.

You have to realize WoW isnt exactly just ONE game anymore. There are TONS of players at different stages of expansion.

I'm going to call a stop here, you either don't seem to be understanding the point I'm making or are making a point way over my head.

Was nice talking to you luna.

Okee dokee, dont worry about it i know exactly what you are saying. I just wanted you to see there are other factors.

I apologize that i cant eloquently explain myself better.

LunaHound wrote:

Melissia wrote:Sounds boring.

As boring as WoW might sound, i still prefer boring over dead.

If you're trying to claim every non-WoW game is "dead", then i'm going to ignore you because I can't respond to that without breaking rule number one.

Melissia wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Melissia wrote:Sounds boring.

As boring as WoW might sound, i still prefer boring over dead.

If you're trying to claim every non-WoW game is "dead", then i'm going to ignore you because I can't respond to that without breaking rule number one.

I can care less which company makes what game. As long as a company makes a good game, i'll gladly play it.
I wouldn't dare to claim every non-WoW game is dead, as i havn't played that many ( well compared to how many there are out there )
I was referring to Warhammer Online. If the management wasn't so awkward im sure they would have gone f2p long ago.

And you know, when i was ambiguous with the name, it wasnt for the purpose of insulting every other MMORPG out there.
I was ambiguous because i didn't want a WoW vs Warhammer Online argument.

So much for being considerate...

Melissia wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Melissia wrote:Sounds boring.

As boring as WoW might sound, i still prefer boring over dead.

If you're trying to claim every non-WoW game is "dead", then i'm going to ignore you because I can't respond to that without breaking rule number one.

Guild Wars For the Win! Can't wait for the second one...

As coleader of the dakkadakka GW2 guild I support slargs statement.