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corpsesarefun wrote:As coleader of the dakkadakka GW2 guild I support slargs statement.

Nah man, I think you better be sole leader; last time I was a leader of anything, it was Shadowbane, and I caused an entire Server Wide Civil War XD

As fun as civil war sounds, perhaps you are right.

Already signed up to the annual pass. Absolute no brainer for me, China is my fave historical period, to see Blizzards take on it is a big draw.

To get a free mount, automatic Beta access to Mists of Pandaria, Diablo 3 and another 4months of WoW time free because I'll be getting Diablo 3 CE for the WoW pet, yep they thought of that too, and all I need to do is confirm I'll stay subbed for twelve months.

Seriously, didn't even need to consider it.


As to news, sounds like they are really going to try and fill up on stuff for the top end alts to do with this expansion.

As a casual player, things like Dailies for valor points, the new vanity pet battle system (ie Pokemon rip off) and new PvE styled battlegrounds are going to be lots of fun for me.

Plus the fact I get to wear chinese/WoW themed armours for my characters, yeah I'm sold.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:China is my fave historical period

And all this time I thought China was a place.

Who knew?

Wait, which China? Traditional? Modern? Three Kingdoms? Ming? Song?

What's the difference? I don't know but they existed

China isn't a place or a time, but a state of mind.

Ahtman wrote:China isn't a place or a time, but a state of mind.

Then, could it be a figment of my imagination?

OMG! I've never seen China! Have you?

Well you know, because its got swords and bows and the like in it I'm referring to ancient China, sorry I needed to clarify for you fellas.

Same way if you saw a game with Knight in it, and I said European history, I'm probably not talking about WW1.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:sorry I needed to clarify for you fellas.

You actually didn't need to; just having some friendly banter.

Ahtman wrote:just having some friendly banter.

And that's just what you want us to think. Or maybe that's what you want us to think...

It seems to be common forum practice to go off topic to attempt to derail something certain individual don't like.
In this case because its a thread related to Blizzard, something GW fans despise.

Im interested to see how they create the Chinese armor, Blizzard seems to have some rather talented artists.
They got the dungeon and buildings spot on, im impressed.

Also they said they improved the talent trees.... I wonder if that means they can be swapped on the spot without paying.

To return to WoW or not.... i already gave everything away since i was so determined to not play again :'/
While free D3 is nice, i wouldn't mind getting the Limited Edition.

LordofHats wrote:

Ahtman wrote:China isn't a place or a time, but a state of mind.

Then, could it be a figment of my imagination?

OMG! I've never seen China! Have you?

I have it's there.

Unless it was all an elaborate trick

I think it's a bit early for me to judge on how I'd feel about the expansion as a whole but I don't like the Pandarens as a playable race. I could have sworn I remembered Blizzard saying a while back that it'd never come to that - guess things change :/
Apart from that though, I also think that I don't like the setting, and would have preferred something along the lines of, oh I don't know... Argus maybe? Forget making a new race and put in a Demon Hunter hero class. However, the flaw I can already see with that is I'm sure that Blizzard wants to implement something with healing capabilities...

Eh, I don't know... I'd just really like to see Argus I suppose.

LunaHound wrote:It seems to be common forum practice to go off topic to attempt to derail something certain individual don't like.

Or it is just the natural flow of conversation.

LunaHound wrote:In this case because its a thread related to Blizzard, something GW fans despise.

You know what else is common? People who like something projecting their own failings on to others, especially when it comes to creating weird false choice dichotomies. The only people 'hating' on Blizzard are the ones in your head. I like Blizzard, I just don't play WoW. Not only that but several other people that seem to like Warhammer/Warhammer 40k and also are showing interest in this so the idea that people who like GW must hate Blizzard is self evidently wrong. You have a strange way of looking at things. It can't just people having a fun conversation on a message board. No. It must be people hating, even though no one has been all that mean toward the product, so you have to imagine they are hating. If assuming people hate something you like just becuase they don't like it as much as you is what you need to do to sleep at night more power to you, but that doesn't make it true.

Ahx wrote:Eh, I don't know... I'd just really like to see Argus I suppose.

What are Argus?
I was thinking Blizzard could have implemented Ethereals as a playable race that would be fun too.

Pandaren, maybe they felt the world was ready to accept china. That and Chinese government implemented limited game time.

Ahtman wrote:You know what else is common? People who like something projecting their own failings on to others, especially when it comes to creating weird false choice dichotomies. The only people 'hating' on Blizzard are the ones in your head. I like Blizzard, I just don't play WoW. Not only that but several other people that seem to like Warhammer/Warhammer 40k and also are showing interest in this so the idea that people who like GW must hate Blizzard is self evidently wrong. You have a strange way of looking at things. It can't just people having a fun conversation on a message board. No. It must be people hating, even though no one has been all that mean toward the product, so you have to imagine they are hating. If assuming people hate something you like just becuase they don't like it as much as you is what you need to do to sleep at night more power to you, but that doesn't make it true.

Yet we all know why its polite to be on topic, and why its not nice to be off topic right?

LunaHound wrote:It seems to be common forum practice to go off topic to attempt to derail something certain individual don't like.

Please. Derailing things takes something like dynamite, or C4. Oooo or a whole lot of fire works!

In this case because its a thread related to Blizzard, something GW fans despise.

I hate Blizzard for completely different reasons personally. They're a publisher and attached to Activision. I have to hate them

Im interested to see how they create the Chinese armor, Blizzard seems to have some rather talented artists.
They got the dungeon and buildings spot on, im impressed.

The scenery was certainly nice, but the Night Elves have always hard a sort of Asian look to some of their buildings and Blood Elves have a slight Chinese looking influence on their armor.

They should make a monkey king set though! Everyone loves monkey king! Add a tail and a smiling monkey mask and monkey gloves.

Also they said they improved the talent trees.... I wonder if that means they can be swapped on the spot without paying.

Honestly my biggest complaint about the Talent trees is after lvl 10 (?) I only get 1 point per level up. It makes it seem kind of like a trial to increase your skills sometimes for me. I actually really really love Star Trek Online's system, where you're experience is your skill points and you can spend them as you get them. Now if only STO could get some better skill trees

LunaHound wrote:@ahtman, not convinced, when the convos had nothing to do with WoW.

Marvel at my surprise that you don't understand and don't care that you don't. Going on a tangent doesn't equal hatred. Again, you are being overly sensitive and just making things up, which again, is not really a surprise. Now don't confuse my frustration with you being so obtuse with me having a grudge with Blizzard. I know you want to, but try to realize I'm frustrated by your myopic thinking and not the company, of which I really have nothing against.

LunaHound wrote:What are Argus?

Argus is the Eredar homeworld.
More here

LordofHats wrote:Honestly my biggest complaint about the Talent trees is after lvl 10 (?) I only get 1 point per level up. It makes it seem kind of like a trial to increase your skills sometimes for me. I actually really really love Star Trek Online's system, where you're experience is your skill points and you can spend them as you get them. Now if only STO could get some better skill trees

I think i know what you mean... A while back, every level meant something. we get talent points.
But now, its every other level or something, its as if Blizzard don't care about the leveling process, they just want you to reach the increment of 10 levels.
While i can see the logic in that, it just makes casual leveling feels less rewarding.

I have a feeling it'll get worse, because the increment DOES get worse every time there is a level cap increase.

Especially when it gets to the point that leveling can take days of casual play. It can just make it suddenly feel like leveling isn't worth it, which in an RPG it really really should. I'm not really sure why the Blizz devs won't increase the available max skill point pool. Balance I'm sure but they can be rebalanced and expanded to make it feel more worthwhile. Add some random stat increasing skills to the trees. That's pretty easy to balance around and there's room for it.

Ahtman wrote:

LunaHound wrote:@ahtman, not convinced, when the convos had nothing to do with WoW.

Marvel at my surprise that you don't understand and don't care that you don't. Going on a tangent doesn't equal hatred. Again, you are being overly sensitive and just making things up, which again, is not really a surprise. Now don't confuse my frustration with you being so obtuse with me having a grudge with Blizzard. I know you want to, but try to realize I'm frustrated by your myopic thinking and not the company, of which I really have nothing against.

No, i marvel at the surprise that in a Warcraft thread the off topic talk about every else besides warcraft,
then i get called paranoid for that Or, call me crazy, but we CAN just stay on topic like the nice thing to do yes?

Also, while i have no issue with the word "obtuse", I got banned for using that same word. So please fix that.


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LordofHats wrote:Especially when it gets to the point that leveling can take days of casual play. It can just make it suddenly feel like leveling isn't worth it, which in an RPG it really really should. I'm not really sure why the Blizz devs won't increase the available max skill point pool. Balance I'm sure but they can be rebalanced and expanded to make it feel more worthwhile. Add some random stat increasing skills to the trees. That's pretty easy to balance around and there's room for it.

I think the following reasons contribute to why Blizzard do such annoying things

1) As time progresses, they make the money off the latest " end content " Its what draws people in, so they spent the most effort on it.
So the sooner we reach that content, thats essentially what they think we are paying for. This coincides with Blizzard implementing f2p for lower lvls and free Burning Crusade upgrade.

2) Increased talent points makes it really hard to balance things. Its why they condensed it to make hybrids builds extinct. They pretty much dumbed down Warcraft.
This is just like Warhammer Fantasy's magic item -_- i think to make it easier for younger players.

3) I mentioned earlier in the thread, there are people that doesnt play with expansion. They sort of "twink" at lvl 50 and 60.
If the talents arnt carefully considered which comes first or later, it can be easily abused at low levels.
Last thing Blizzard want is, everyone playing with over powered talent tree at lvl 60 and not buy expansion xD

LunaHound wrote:No, i marvel at the surprise that in a Warcraft thread the off topic talk about every else besides warcraft,

Except people are talking about Warcraft, they just aren't solely talking about Warcraft, I really don't see why you think no one is talking about it when most people are in one way or the other.

Ahtman wrote:

LunaHound wrote:No, i marvel at the surprise that in a Warcraft thread the off topic talk about every else besides warcraft,

Except people are talking about Warcraft, they just aren't solely talking about Warcraft, I really don't see why you think no one is talking about it when most people are in one way or the other.

Can you stop complaining since I don't think i actually pointed a finger at anyone specific.
Your reaction is almost like you are worried what i posted was meant for you....

LunaHound wrote:1) As time progresses, they make the money off the latest " end content " Its what draws people in, so they spent the most effort on it.
So the sooner we reach that content, thats essentially what they think we are paying for. This coincides with Blizzard implementing f2p for lower lvls and free Burning Crusade upgrade.

I think that works for people who got in years ago. I tried to get in with the Wrath Lunch, and everyone kept saying get to end game that's where the fun is, but to be honest, leveling in WoW is boring. For numerous reasons, not just the skill trees. If you were horde, you were in The Barrens for forever! If you played Alliance it could just get tiresome cause the structure of the zones back then was senseless after a certain point.

I ultimately quite when I hit fifty five, and just couldn't find enough quests. I resorted to dungeon crawling, but by the time I hit sixty and could move on to Burning Crusades content, I just felt tired. WoW doesn't seem new user friendly to me. Maybe you know more than me, but is WoW really pulling in new players or is it just recycling the same ones?

Increased talent points makes it really hard to balance things. Its why they condensed it to make hybrids builds extinct. They pretty much dumbed down Warcraft.

Hybrids. My other complaint grr. I get it. You don't want someone to be able to do everything, but come on. Give me some points and something to spend them on bro. Throw in a bunch of "increase <stat> by # * lvl" skills. Those are easy to balance and let me feel like I'm achieving something as I grind through the game. Fixing their auction house and the gold inflation (which must be completely absurd by now) would be nice too, but I doubt a realistic solution exists for that.

Woot... time for my fail multiquote time xD

I think that works for people who got in years ago. I tried to get in with the Wrath Lunch, and everyone kept saying get to end game that's where the fun is, but to be honest, leveling in WoW is boring. For numerous reasons, not just the skill trees. If you were horde, you were in The Barrens for forever! If you played Alliance it could just get tiresome cause the structure of the zones back then was senseless after a certain point.

You are correct, and Blizzard agrees with you. Thats one reason why they implemented friend referral program.
Basically if your friend gains a level, you gain one too, and vice versa, and you gain tons of extra exp if you play together.
They also implemented exp boosting items to be purchased by your high level characters ( if you have )
I think it adds to 40% exp gained from quest and dungeon runs.

I ultimately quite when I hit fifty five, and just couldn't find enough quests. I resorted to dungeon crawling, but by the time I hit sixty and could move on to Burning Crusades content, I just felt tired. WoW doesn't seem new user friendly to me. Maybe you know more than me, but is WoW really pulling in new players or is it just recycling the same ones?

Hmm... to be honest i don't like questing either, i jumped right into dungeon asap. Its not possible to not have enough quest. Each continent have their own quests
which means you should have atleast double the quest you need to level with.
Recycling content.... I do think so, more or less. Quests and dungeons becomes more elaborate yes, so does mass pvp ( 40 alliance vs 40 hordes )
And 25men raids are all available from lvl 55 and on. This is why many people are ok with playing old contents, the fun stuff are all still there.

Hybrids. My other complaint grr. I get it. You don't want someone to be able to do everything, but come on. Give me some points and something to spend them on bro. Throw in a bunch of "increase <stat> by # * lvl" skills. Those are easy to balance and let me feel like I'm achieving something as I grind through the game. Fixing their auction house and the gold inflation (which must be completely absurd by now) would be nice too, but I doubt a realistic solution exists for that.

This is the ultimate dilemma Blizzard has, and will continue to have, and im sure other games all have the same headache.
How do they balance? who they use to gauge to create a balance?
For example, normal people used to complain about Druids and Shaman, they are good at hybridizing. But normal people don't know how to play them properly, and ask for boosts.
Then, 5% players like me that gets to Gladiator knows how to use ( or abuse ) the class, certainly took advantage of the class strength.
How will Blizzard deal with that? make the 95% of players happy? by making it easier for people that knows how to use / abuse the class?
Thats a hard decision too that have no answer...

Well they did come up with answer, they killed the talent tree xD

That DLC seems horrible....I mean...pandas....really?

I could respect the china thing put Pandas called Pandarans?

It's almost like a bunch of blizzard employes were sitting around half baked thinking of a new race to add...

I used to really like WoW, but Cataclysm and this...thing....are just bad...IMO anyway...I'll be saving up my money waiting for Dark millennium online

That DLC seems horrible....I mean...pandas....really?

I could respect the china thing put Pandas called Pandarans?

I prefer Murlocs over pandas, I wouldnt be playing Pandaren but people seems to like it... oh well.
Pandaren was a joke to start with that gained much popularity. It literally means Panda-Man

It's almost like a bunch of blizzard employes were sitting around half baked thinking of a new race to add...

Perhaps, but its hard to argue if the fans loved it that much. Which ever brings in the $$$

I used to really like WoW, but Cataclysm and this...thing....are just bad...IMO anyway...I'll be saving up my money waiting for Dark millennium online

I will also give Dark Millennium Online a try.
I just really hope they fix what they did wrong with Warhammer Online ( or is able to see why it wasnt successful )

LunaHound wrote:

That DLC seems horrible....I mean...pandas....really?

I could respect the china thing put Pandas called Pandarans?

I prefer Murlocs over pandas, I wouldnt be playing Pandaren but people seems to like it... oh well.
Pandaren was a joke to start with that gained much popularity. It literally means Panda-Man

It would not suprise me that Horde would get a Murloc as race now that Alliance get these panda's, but sadly i heard a rumor that it's gonna be the Orgres race who is joining Horde. That is still pretty sweet.

Played D3 for the past week and a half. Some neat additions should be a good all around game for the fans. And getting as part of a WoW sub with more collectables is likely to grab a lot of the WoW players, who feel the need to collect everything to buy in and then experience Diablo for perhaps the first time. Its a good way for Bliz to grow that franchise's player base as well.

However, I am going to have to go with SW:TOR over this. It was just so much more interesting from what I have played. Companions that are useful to your character, crafting that is useful, a ship that is useful to use as a abse of operations and fight in, quests that are interesting and voiced so you don't feel a grind, PVP game modes that are interesting and can start early in your carrer and use to level with if you choose, exploration that actually rewards players with PERMENANT STAT BUMPS and info/trinkets, the list just goes on and on. I highly recommend WoW fans, Sci-fi fans, MMO fans, and star wars fans, to seriously check it out.