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Ahtman wrote:

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:sorry I needed to clarify for you fellas.

You actually didn't need to; just having some friendly banter.

Aye, mine was the same... we really need a tongue in cheek emote.



@Lunahound

The new Talent system sounds a big change, and it is, and I'm all for it because I agree with a large portion of WoW players and despise cookie cutter talent specs. That is If you a Holy Priest and you don't have x, y and z talents, you are some kind of moron and not worth taking on a raid.

The new system is going to give us control again, and even though with the new system I spotted a couple I thought, damn how could you not take that talent, the system looks a lot more interesting and fun overall. After watching the preview and talent panels at Blizzcon yesterday, hence why as a Brit I was posting at stupid O'clock last night, I have a 'gist' of where it is going.

Basically we are getting to pick a talent point every 15 levels, talent trees are gone, you just get a choice from three abilities, and you can't go back, so after picking your first talent point at level 15, at level 30, you have to pick one from the three level 30 ones, and so on. Each level is themed depending on class, for example for a few of the classes it seemed level sixty was a choice of three 'crowd control' abilities.

They actually flicked through all of the talents on the talent panel, although they are obviously subject to change. For example here is Hunter as it stands of right now.



I really think this is going to make things interesting, and as they hope, personal playstyle will trump any 'cookie cutter'list on the net. I am sure some folks will still insist which are the best overall, but they have made sure each talent has its own advantages, so how you play will mean more than what it actually does.

I'm really looking forward to this change.

To expand a bit on my previous post in here :
I find it a bit odd that people would consider this 12 months subs a "great deal" considering by Blizzard's own admission the next patch is the only content still coming before the expansion announcing events (roughly at least 9 months away if all goes well, expansion releasing next november).

4.3 will offer enough content to hold an average gamer a month or two at best bar gated progressions (daily quest tied reputations, the new best innovative feature Blizzard ran with lately) and assuming said gamer hasn't finished the current Cataclysm content (but really, who hasn't at this point?). Even with Diablo 3 thrown in that deal (which is what, 6 months away?) and Tyrael's mount that's still an awful lot of months subbed for...Pandaria beta? So basically pay Blizzard a sub until the expansion hits. Which you'll already have played the hell out of since the lack of content made you play the beta instead of the live game. Or pay Blizzard subs while you play Diablo 3.

For the record, I'll probably get the Pandaria CE if only because I own all the previous CEs and I don't like to break up a collection. I will also get the Diablo 3 CE. There will be the new Starcraft 2 expansion as well. I'm a great fan of Blizzard's games, but there's a limit

Thing is, if you where planning on subbing those twelve months anyway. Well alot in my guild have been finding it a excellent as I said above 'no brainer' offer.

Its feels like more of a reward to us, regardless of the actual motorvation behind it by Blizz.

If you were going to sub those twelve months anyway without question then business wise the promotion is probably not meant for you, however it does give you the sense of reward for being dedicated that no doubt will make you buy again in the future.

The way I see it the promotion is to catch those on the fence, those that either aren't sure about the new expac or aren't sure about buying a years sub.

Ahtman wrote:The only people 'hating' on Blizzard are the ones in your head.

Pretty much this, I don't dislike Blizzard... mostly just their fanboys-- their games themselves are with a few exceptions merely boringly mediocre rather than overtly bad.

I'll probably stick with F2P games, if any at all, until DMO and GW2 come out.

corpsesarefun wrote:If you were going to sub those twelve months anyway without question then business wise the promotion is probably not meant for you, however it does give you the sense of reward for being dedicated that no doubt will make you buy again in the future.

The way I see it the promotion is to catch those on the fence, those that either aren't sure about the new expac or aren't sure about buying a years sub.

True, but I wouldn't say they 100% had my sub, I would most likely have been subbing, but this has giving me no bad points in my mind against the idea of saying 'yes I'll agree to sub for 12months.' I don't need to pay for those 12 months now, my 6month reoccuring sub just has to go on for another 12 months. The fact I have 5months paid for isn't ignored, (got my 6th month sub at start of October) it means all I have agreeed to sub again for, is another seven months if I wanted to stop. Of course with Mists probably incoming by that point the odds are I'll be bouncing around like bunny ready for its release by then.

Oh and they have even considered something I would normally expect a company to ignore, or convientely forget. As someone who is going to be getting a Diablo 3 Collectors edition, for the game, bits and the WoW pet, I will be given 4months free WoW time as I have effectively nullified the 'free' Diablo 3 offer. When I saw they had done that, I was signed up within moments.

I stopped playing before they released the Cataclysm expansion and came back on a 10-day free trial to see what was new and was shocked to find out how much the game had further devolved. There are a lot of things that I could tell you at this point but suffice it to say that with every new and positive thing that they advertise updating, they silently remove something small that I enjoyed and feel made the game worth playing. A lot of people say that the game was best before the expansions, and I'd have to agree.

But concerning THIS. I'm... not sure what to say about it, really. I mean I thought it was a joke the first time that I watched it. Unlike a lot of the 15-year-olds playing the game today, I'm moderately educated on the franchise to know that they had come up with this panda race sometime after Warcraft III, well before Kung-fu Panda, but even if they were ripping off other material, it doesn't really matter.

What matters is if this is a good thing or not. Well... no. I don't think so. Though to be fair, I think that the game itself has been flattened into this banal carrot-on-a-stick money machine, and it would take a massive overhaul to make this game at all favorable to me again, but I know that I'm not the only one who thinks that this has been a major mistake. I know WoW's constituency well, and I believe that though they will begrudgingly accept the expansion at first, this expansion will be a major step in weaning the hooked players off of their fix.

Until then, the only thing that will be convincing the diehards will be the game itself. When I was on that 10-day trial I tried asking some people why they liked this game and the answer really was that they enjoyed grinding in one way or another, which anyone can tell you is all this game really is anymore. It's all that Blizzard really knows how to do, is further homogenize the game. I would say that they are lacking in the ideas department, but you know, when money talks, people walk, and when you have all these millions of people continuously paying their money to play, the guy that says "This game needs to be changed" probably isn't going to be very well received.

So now we are seeing what is officially the first filler expansion, and anyone that still both has standards AND an active subscription to the game are getting all up in arms about this new development.

Pish they have released far too many Expansions for this game Still I find it quite enjoyable to look at the artwork and such for them.

LunaHound wrote:

That DLC seems horrible....I mean...pandas....really?

I could respect the china thing put Pandas called Pandarans?

I prefer Murlocs over pandas, I wouldnt be playing Pandaren but people seems to like it... oh well.

I would re-new my WoW subscription if I could play as a murloc

bombboy1252 wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

That DLC seems horrible....I mean...pandas....really?

I could respect the china thing put Pandas called Pandarans?

I prefer Murlocs over pandas, I wouldnt be playing Pandaren but people seems to like it... oh well.

I would re-new my WoW subscription if I could play as a murloc

Hell even I would ! I havent played for 5 years or so.

Tbh I'm surprised they haven't done yet, consdiering how much Blizz seems to love the little blighters.

Zefig wrote: Pet Battles: Challenge other players’ companion pets with your own collection in a new tactical mini-game, and find out who's king or queen of the pint-sized battlefield.

So basically...It's pokemon?

Not at all, you go out and can find and fight them in the wild to weaken them before capturing them and using as your own. You also train them and level them up to make them learn new abilities and battle them one on one.

You should have seen the game shot mock ups they put together, the crowd where chuckling as was I at home, all Pokemon paraodies.

LunaHound wrote:I just really hope they fix what they did wrong with Warhammer Online ( or is able to see why it wasnt successful )

Personally, the reasons I didn't like it was:

It wasn't set in the Warhammer World, more like a Warhammer Esque world (Constant fluff breaks/overlooks didn't make it feel like Warhammer)

Classes that never existed (Zealots, Disciples and Male Sorcerers [let's face it, that should NEVER have happened])

Balance issues (No point in playing anything other than Bright Wizards/SLayers/Warrior Priests for Order, or Chosen/Choppa's/Insert Healer)

I would be able to look past all of those, however, if it wasn't for these last two:

NO End Game content; you couldn't even que up for PVP anymore....

And the fact that if you stopped playing for 3 months by deactivating your account, when you activated it again it charged you for those three months you didn't play....

Meh...I hoped Cataclysm would be the last expansion so I would not miss out on much for quitting during Wotlk. Looks like I'm gonna stay sad for not playing for atleast one more expansion.
Hopefully Guild Wars II will help ease that pain.

Slarg232 wrote:Balance issues (No point in playing anything other than Bright Wizards/SLayers/Warrior Priests for Order, or Chosen/Choppa's/Insert Healer)

lol, funny that, I ate brightwizards for breakfast as a black orc or that dark elf assassin class...

Melissia wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Balance issues (No point in playing anything other than Bright Wizards/SLayers/Warrior Priests for Order, or Chosen/Choppa's/Insert Healer)

lol, funny that, I ate brightwizards for breakfast as a black orc or that dark elf assassin class...

Then you are a far, far greater player than I was.

What type of PVP were you in?

I actually think some of the stuff they are adding looks promising. That being said I will never play WoW again, its lost a step since Cataclysm, and besides the revamp to Azeroth cataclysm was really disappointing to me.

corpsesarefun wrote:Not at all, you go out and can find and fight them in the wild to weaken them before capturing them and using as your own. You also train them and level them up to make them learn new abilities and battle them one on one.

So....it's Pokemon.

KingCracker wrote:Exactly. How many JackBlack name variations will spring up? The only thing that caught my attention was the Monk class. Bought damn time there, Ive said for years they should make a Monk class. Oh well, I wont be going back to find out if its a good class

Good bye World of Warcraft, your reign can finally see the end

They're still missing one more fantasy archetype though, the Barbarian.

Fury warrior is pretty much WoW's version of barbarian.

LunaHound wrote:Fury warrior is pretty much WoW's version of barbarian.

Oh, OK I'm not familiar with the sub classes. Thanks for the info.

WoW turned into gak right after WOTLK - right when they started raping the lore and admitting they don't give two gaks about the overall story.

Hmm, not sure how the company who own the story, and are pushing it forward with each expansion can really be destroying whats theirs.

Also tbh, reading novels, and playing through various stories over the years, I'd say they are still developing the story quite nicely. If you love Warcraft 3, cool, it had a good story but it really hasn't stopped evolving after WoW launched.

I actually like where the story has gone, and look forward to more as each expansion and patch rolls out. Thankfully I'm not alone, and Blizz knows it is catering for the larger portion of its fanbase with the continuing story.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Hmm, not sure how the company who own the story, and are pushing it forward with each expansion can really be destroying whats theirs.

Also tbh, reading novels, and playing through various stories over the years, I'd say they are still developing the story quite nicely. If you love Warcraft 3, cool, it had a good story but it really hasn't stopped evolving after WoW launched.

I actually like where the story has gone, and look forward to more as each expansion and patch rolls out. Thankfully I'm not alone, and Blizz knows it is catering for the larger portion of its fanbase with the continuing story.

I really really love how they made the quests and dungeons part of the story.

I never played mmorpg for the story till Wrath of the Litch King. more specifically Wrath Gate ( fell in love with the red dragon flight )
chromie and alexstraza are so cool!!!

And this is just too funny

filbert wrote:I think the cow has been well and truly milked by now...

Couldn't agree more. Though I have to say, I haven't had as much fun as having now since vanilla.

To be honest, I'm still pretty bitter about Forbearance.

Sorry blizzard, but after 5 years of these banal updates to WOW....I still don't give a rats ass. WOW was touted as the first ever good MMORPG.

Nope, thats still Richard Garret's Ultima Online, and Everquest to me.

Doctadeth wrote:Sorry blizzard, but after 5 years of these banal updates to WOW....I still don't give a rats ass. WOW was touted as the first ever good MMORPG.

Nope, thats still Richard Garret's Ultima Online, and Everquest to me.

Naaaaaaah, that goes to RuneScape.... /sarcasm