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lordrevege wrote:However, with their fluff being raped so whorribly

I think thats a bit of an overstatement, it wasn't that long ago that they were nothing more than chaos robots.

From what WD has shown, it looks like nearly all of the last codex' fluff is still canon and it is just that the big boys in the necron race have woken up.

BluntmanDC wrote:

lordrevege wrote:However, with their fluff being raped so whorribly

I think thats a bit of an overstatement, it wasn't that long ago that they were nothing more than chaos robots.

From what WD has shown, it looks like nearly all of the last codex' fluff is still canon and it is just that the big boys in the necron race have woken up.

Necrons were chaos robots? Wut?

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

lordrevege wrote:However, with their fluff being raped so whorribly

I think thats a bit of an overstatement, it wasn't that long ago that they were nothing more than chaos robots.

From what WD has shown, it looks like nearly all of the last codex' fluff is still canon and it is just that the big boys in the necron race have woken up.

Necrons were chaos robots? Wut?

Space Crusade Chaos Android:

If the Necrons would be suseptable to hacking they would be the most useless race in the galaxy. Since they are still sentient to a degree I think this would be impossible. Not to mention the massive gap in technology. By the time someone would figure out a way to do it (if it was possible, purely for speculation) im sure that they would have counter measures for any such attempts.

lordrevege wrote:Welly welly well then.
Perhaps the crons are too advanced to hack. However, with their fluff being raped so whorribly, I could see the crons making a pact with the Inquisitor.
But I mean c'mon guy. Why not just use the models that you should be using for those stats? I think it's a bold move taking minis from across another codex.
I wouldn't have any problem play against "inquisicrons" but I'm sure plenty of players would.

Not that bold. Years ago I converted a unit of Pariahs from Maugan Ra minis...

Thatguy91 wrote:If the Necrons would be suseptable to hacking they would be the most useless race in the galaxy. Since they are still sentient to a degree I think this would be impossible. Not to mention the massive gap in technology. By the time someone would figure out a way to do it (if it was possible, purely for speculation) im sure that they would have counter measures for any such attempts.

Wut?

If 1 person managed to 'hack' a Necron, wouldnt mean everyone across the Galaxy would.. are you familiar with the world? and how Technolgy is lost and recovered STC and other information are prized posessions.

No, but if one person hacks a necron, what stops him from hacking every other necron? Absolutely nothing. Besides, all races except the eldar have enjoyed the wonders of technology for about 40,000 years. The Necrons have enjoyed several million years of the same, I doubt anything within the younger races power would have the ability to do anything to a Necrons programming or behaviour. Especially not with the new fluff. I mean, not even the power of chaos has an effect on them. The only thing that has ever changed them are the C'tan and they are without a doubt the most powerful beings in the warhammer 40k Universe, the creatures that inadvertently created chaos because they decided to wage a little war.

I'd think about hacking a Nercron in a similar way for someone getting deamon possessed, for that matter why doesn't the forces of Chaos just posses everyone? Mind you I don't know much about how deamon possession works in the 40k fluff.

I am afraid that possession is not like picking what to eat from a buffet, but for daemons , its a bit more complicated. I do not think though that I can explain it extensivly as I am at work atm, but the main idea is that you need a willing subject...look Fulgrim example.

A willing subject, a ritually-prepared subject (see: daemonhost), or a mind that is unshielded and unprepared to defend itself against the daemonic onslaught (see also: unsanctioned psyker).

Thatguy91 wrote:A. No, but if one person hacks a necron, what stops him from hacking every other necron? Absolutely nothing.
B. The only thing that has ever changed them are the C'tan and they are without a doubt the most powerful beings in the warhammer 40k Universe, the creatures that inadvertently created chaos because they decided to wage a little war.

A. Well the main reason why that person wouldn't be able to do it is that Necrons are not connected by WiFi so the person would have to get close enough to other necrons to reprogram them. There is also new fluff that necron programming can change, in the new WD it tells of the space factory that no longer sends ships directly to living worlds but instead just shots them in random directs.
B. The C'tan did not create the Chaos Gods, as the C'tan have no link to the warp, the first war created the turmoil in the war and made it dagerous and full of nasty critters due to the fact that they the fighting the Old Ones (they were highly psychic). The Chaos gods are far younger than that the first war and were created by other sentient races.

Hido wrote:I'd think about hacking a Nercron in a similar way for someone getting deamon possessed, for that matter why doesn't the forces of Chaos just posses everyone? Mind you I don't know much about how deamon possession works in the 40k fluff.

Because not everyone has the Warp/reality opening to allow it, most people only have tiny connections, only pyskers have easily accessable souls.

Another thing that could easily put a stop to the entire process is whether or not the concept of "hacking" as we know it even exists for Imperial technicians. The only people within the necessary range of technical knowledge to accomplish this would be Tech-Priests, and hacking amounts to the forcible violation of a machine-spirit, forcing it to behave in ways it never would normally. Whether the AdMechs could not only find a way to do it but justify it within their own belief system somehow is open to debate, but it just doesn't strike me as their style.

I don't think you can hack them. Crons are less robot and more golem/automaton. They are souls trapped in living metal husks.

A. Their programming was either changed by the C'tan as a curse or by the tomb worlds. Both of which are more advanced than anything the other races posses. How do we know if they do not have some kind of connection to other necrons? It has never been stated if they do or if they dont so I think its open for debate.

B. The war in heaven created chaos. The C'tan were the main players and it was only after their engagement that things started happening. It was because of them that Chaos exsists.

Now I have the image of Necrons trying to sell blue pills to everyone nearby

Hack a necron?

This isn't ID4, you know?

IronfrontAlex wrote:I don't think you can hack them. Crons are less robot and more golem/automaton. They are souls trapped in living metal husks.

This is not true. New fluff directly says that:

A. Necrons have programming, e.g. allegiance programming
B. Necrons do not have souls or have very little in the way of souls (the C'tan are said to have feed and grew powerful on the souls they ate as the Necrons were created)

Necrons seem to be direct transfer beings, as in an detailed map (level of detail depending on status) of a living mind recorded into programming, this is one of the ideas being investigated by scientists now as a way of being 'immortal'.

There's the one tomb world that had the accident and all the resident Necrons had their personalities wiped, and they're now controlled directly by the tomb world. That implies that it would be possible (in theory) to hack a 'cron, wipe it's personality out, and install different behaviors.

The only races that might be able to pull it off would be the Tau and the Orks. Tau because they are the only (playable) species with true AIs, and Orks because why not. Not to mention that making a counts-as Shok-Attack gun that's a Mek standing on the back of a Heavy Destroyer that has wires and gubbins kludged onto it would be awesome.

Ixion wrote:Another thing that could easily put a stop to the entire process is whether or not the concept of "hacking" as we know it even exists for Imperial technicians. The only people within the necessary range of technical knowledge to accomplish this would be Tech-Priests, and hacking amounts to the forcible violation of a machine-spirit, forcing it to behave in ways it never would normally. Whether the AdMechs could not only find a way to do it but justify it within their own belief system somehow is open to debate, but it just doesn't strike me as their style.

Hacking exists in Imperial use. Tech-Priests call it putting "curses" on the corrupted machine spirits of the enemy. I think it was used in Dark Apostle or Storm of Iron or the like.

Not sure an inquisitor could pull it off but a properly motivated Jokero weaponsmith might be able too.