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hand banana wrote:this was going to be asked eventually, how to we beat these "Matt Ward enhanced" super shooters? i mean they are like super Tau that wont die to anything short of a lascannon...then they will get back up.. :(

You keep shooting them? Seriously dude, they only have a 1/3 chance of coming back.

I like the new models and rules, bar 2 things. Firstly, the Flayed ones always looked horrible. Secondly, and I am happy playing against, but annoyed about too, is C'tan.

The old profile were

Night bringer/Deciever

WS BS S T W A I Ld Sv
6/5 4/3 10/9 8/8 5/5 5/4 4/5 10 4++


Now the new profile is, for both

WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
5 5 7 7 4 4 4 10 4+


not only can bolters, MEQ, Shurikan Catapuklts, and the like now hurt C'tan, but Lascannons now wound on 2+ rather than 3+, ignore it's save, and Plasma wounds on 4+, melta on 3+, and they now have the lower attacksd, Int and WS of the old pair. They also lost a wound, bringing them down to 4(whereas the Swarmlord has 5?).

They still have a 4+ save, but it is no longer invulneravble. a rouind of sternguard and AP 4 Kraken Rounds will bring these former beasties down.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

hand banana wrote:this was going to be asked eventually, how to we beat these "Matt Ward enhanced" super shooters? i mean they are like super Tau that wont die to anything short of a lascannon...then they will get back up.. :(

You keep shooting them? Seriously dude, they only have a 1/3 chance of coming back.

I sensed some sarcasim in hand bannana's post. maybe your meter is broken?

Deadshot wrote:I like the new models and rules, bar 2 things. Firstly, the Flayed ones always looked horrible. Secondly, and I am happy playing against, but annoyed about too, is C'tan.

The old profile were

Night bringer/Deciever

WS BS S T W A I Ld Sv
6/5 4/3 10/9 8/8 5/5 5/4 4/5 10 4++


Now the new profile is, for both

WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
5 5 7 7 4 4 4 10 4+


not only can bolters, MEQ, Shurikan Catapuklts, and the like now hurt C'tan, but Lascannons now wound on 2+ rather than 3+, ignore it's save, and Plasma wounds on 4+, melta on 3+, and they now have the lower attacksd, Int and WS of the old pair. They also lost a wound, bringing them down to 4(whereas the Swarmlord has 5?).

They still have a 4+ save, but it is no longer invulneravble. a rouind of sternguard and AP 4 Kraken Rounds will bring these former beasties down.

Actually, I do believe they still have their 4++. It just doesn't say so on the site (like everything else with an invul)

Has it not occured to people that the reason why they have low initiative is because they are all have at least decent stat-lines, they have good saves, etc. If they had I4 they would be ridiculous. It entirely depends on who you assault. If you are comparing them to, say, raveners, then they'll likely get shredded, but they will slaughter hordes of guardians, IG, etc. Yes they'll get dropped on I but then bounce the attacks and strike back with WS4 and S5 plus whatever nastiness those weapons do. Also the new heavy weapons sound pretty gross.

For me the best thing about this release is that they have not scrapped the whole range and tried to get people to rebuy everything, the old warriors, monoliths (crucially at £40+ per pop), etc are still valid.

yes very true isengard but the lords or the overlord or any assault unit should be better than I2. its understanding if warriors have I2 because there not supposed to be in CC. not even the unique characters have any better than I2 i think thats disappointing

Eternally Cursed Dice wrote:yes very true isengard but the lords or the overlord or any assault unit should be better than I2. its understanding if warriors have I2 because there not supposed to be in CC. not even the unique characters have any better than I2 i think thats disappointing

Well...the Overlords and Lords do have the possibility of getting 2+/3++ saves.

Did warriors used to be 4+ saves and did we'll be back used to be 5+? it is now.

Right, well the new rumour I heard about the "Tesla" weapons is going to be the worst thing for hordes since Cleansing Flame, if they are true. They fire like any other weapon, but on a 6 to wound, 2 other members of the squad also take wounds. That's Ork-BBQ right there that is.

Luckily it is wounds not hits, because those hits could also result in 6s. Luckily Mat Ward isn't that bad.

Warriors used to have 3+ saves but are now 4+ and WBB was 4+ as well if memory serves.

I thought the Tesla rule was 6's to hit and not to wound causes the two extra wounds?

All will become clear later this week, YIPPEE!

I wonder if, because C'tan are niot the OP immortal gods anymore, you would be able to take both? It would be fun to take both on, but as of current, you can't, so we will just have to wait.


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I also know that Liovibng Metal has changed. In the WD battle report, Fire Dragons EXPLODED a Monolith. With the current rules, the meltas would only get a maximum of glance so wrecking it.