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Read through the new White Dwarf today,

After looking at the overall fluff and backstory for the necrons as it has been revised, I have now very mixed feelings about the new models and the overall changes to the tone and fluff of the background. Overall, the models add enough interest and variety to the army that will make it much more fun to play. I like the way that the army doesn't play like an MEQ anymore and has access to more mobility and weapons variety than it once had. The transports and new HQs all seem to be well designed, but the palace guard elites are a bit bland. I'm curious to see what other creatures (Tomb Spyders?) look like that are included in the Codex. I also feel that the expanded Egyptian/Pharoh/Cylons background they've described is passable but not all that strong. The worst was the awful fiction and characterization that was included in the sidebars of this month's White Dwarf. The Necron characters talk like Decepticons and pulled all kinds of D&D crap like appearing out of the mist to mess with Sycarius. They need to put a lid on that crap asap.

From a competitive standpoint, it is hard to tell how the army will work since I don't know all the different points values and special rules, but it seems like it should be a good antidote to some of the more extreme Mech forces that are out there, but I'm not sue if it will be enough to push for a more balanced approach with Marine armies in particular.

Overall, I think the vehicles and rules changes seem to make this a more fun army to play and collect but it still lacks character overall, and the background changes make the Necrons seem a bit silly.

I'm curious to hear what others think

Are they now Evil or Neutral?

From the looks of things, they're still going to be really bad in assault. Everything's I2.

The only things I dont is the C'tan changes and the "ohh lets trade and make alliances" garbage. The inferior younger races have nothing to offer the Necrons. I dont see how this makes sense. And dont even get me started on the C'tan...

Andilus Greatsword wrote:From the looks of things, they're still going to be really bad in assault. Everything's I2.

So are Orks! As in mostly I2.......

So impeccable are the logical patterns behind the Stormlord's strategies that the only way a foe can truly gain meaningful advantage is to abandon all logic themselves - something that most races find incredibly hard to do (except the Orks, who remain a constant thorn in the Stormlord's side)

I HATE the new flayed ones. They look a lot like vamp count ghouls though, especially the one with the corpse on his back.

I like the Cryptek model, and the lichguard with shields, but thats about it.


Meh.

Very disappointed with the aesthetic of the new releases. I was hoping they'd try to keep away from the whole 'tomb kings IN SPACE' thing they used to have going on in a really bad way... but they turned it up to 11.

Fafnir wrote:Very disappointed with the aesthetic of the new releases. I was hoping they'd try to keep away from the whole 'tomb kings IN SPACE' thing they used to have going on in a really bad way... but they turned it up to 11.

Agreed, they went full baka

Really like the new deathmarks. Gonna buy 10 deathmarks, 2 packs of necron warriors, ghost barge(s), and 10 lychguard. That should bulk out my previous 'crons nicely
Sqallum

I'm a huge fan of the new stuff, but then I wasn't a fan at all of the old models and fluff. Both were incredibly dull.

I realize fans of the old Necrons are probably going to disagree, but hey, it's not like rewriting fluff is a new thing for GW. Ask Tyranid players who have been around since Epic Hive War/40k second edition.

-Loki- wrote:I realize fans of the old Necrons are probably going to disagree.

Nailed it.
Now just remains to be seen how many fans of the old necrons there were compared to the new fans.

I like the look of the new models, with the exception of flayed ones.

I hope they still suck so you are not tempted to purchase and play them.

It seems that the necrons will be taking a step back, which is hardly surprising.

Have to wait for the codex release to be sure...

I liked the old fluff.
I like the new fluff.
I like the new flayed ones.
I honestly don't see the problem with the new flayed ones...

LunaHound wrote:Are they now Evil or Neutral?

Depends on the Overlord, really.

Platuan4th wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Are they now Evil or Neutral?

Depends on the Overlord, really.

They are what they want to be...
They seem to be like DE, self-serving but with an overall goal on survival and reclamation of power and territory with hints of vengence... IMO anyway.

I liked almost everything so far, except the Flayed ones. Assault specialists that will be striking after guardsmen and fire warriors with no power weapon choice? That's really bogus.

Yeah, they put out as many attacks as a khorne berserker, but they better be amazingly cheap so you can still have a menacing number after the enemy hits you first. Which it pretty much always will.

Mine are still evil. Purge we shall. To hell with the lesser races, it's time to take back a galaxy.

Munga wrote:Mine are still evil. Purge we shall. To hell with the lesser races, it's time to take back a galaxy.

Word.

My necrons will be like before - Hate all life and worship the C'tan.

Im not really into the new fluff. Trading and making alliances with other races? And they act like Tomb kings? And their weapons names sound really stupid (doomsday weapon my ). I think they were smoking crack when making the new codex.
For the models everything else expect the flayed ones look fine. The Flayed ones are terrible and look stupid. The old models were more disturbing, scary and stealthy looking.
I do like the new HQ characters and especially their new transport.
Overall good release, but could have been made better. I still won't digest the damn fluff.

Why do people hate alliances so much? Like the one thing that everyone always complains about in the new codexs.

All the haters are falling for GWs scheme, to make you forget GKs and start hating Necrons


anyway, I actually like the new fluff changes. It changes a very bland army into something with a little character.

I do agree that the Flayed Ones look silly. My necron friend is going to be collecting old Flayed Ones for his army because of this.

nomotog wrote:Why do people hate alliances so much? Like the one thing that everyone always complains about in the new codexs.

The various sides are supposed to hate each other with a passion.
There are shades of grey however, nothing is black and white in 40k...
Apart from the black and white space marine and his black and white bike...

i like what they did with most of the models but i think some of the models and rules are silly like:

the necron lord has only 1 wound? at least have two for combat patrol

the flayed ones i dont need to say anything

the Necron Lychguard and Triarch Praetorians quite disapointed on the I2

but overall the rules are much better than the other codex by far

I love some of the new models especially the Lychguard with blade/shield combo. Jump infantry is very nice addition also as are the Deathmarks. I hope the Cryptek or some/all of the HQ choices buff the army some as the I2 is going to be a killer again to necrons and the expensive elite units. At this early stage I can see people going, " Those Lychguard/Praetorians look nice but I2 makes their CC prowess worthless....I'll stick to the big heavy stuff sitting at the back in a gunline popping stuff from afar."
Or maybe going back to good old warrior spam maybe.

The new Barges look nice but I'm really not sure about the Arks as yet. The Ultramarines logo shaped hulls really annoy me.

I can't wait to get my hands on the codex to put all the ifs, buts and maybes together and get the badass robots back on the battlefield!

LunaHound wrote:Are they now Evil or Neutral?

Evil/Neutral hybrid of sorts...From what it seems, they want to unite their empire, well at least the silent king...but they are willing to temporarily ally with other factions to help them unite or something of the sort...


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purplefood wrote:

nomotog wrote:Why do people hate alliances so much? Like the one thing that everyone always complains about in the new codexs.

The various sides are supposed to hate each other with a passion.
There are shades of grey however, nothing is black and white in 40k...
Apart from the black and white space marine and his black and white bike...

Don't bring him into this...lol

Lord Rogukiel wrote:

-Loki- wrote:I realize fans of the old Necrons are probably going to disagree.

Nailed it.
Now just remains to be seen how many fans of the old necrons there were compared to the new fans.

Necrons have about 3 real fans and a million posers who have "dynamic" and "in-depth" opinions and longwinded reasoning for why really boring robots with really boring tactics and a really boring backstory weren't really boring.

lulz

Eternally Cursed Dice wrote:i like what they did with most of the models but i think some of the models and rules are silly like:

the necron lord has only 1 wound? at least have two for combat patrol

That's cause the necron lord isn't a HQ. It's more like a Court of the Archon thing.

You get an Overlord (who has 3W), and then you can take up to 5 necron lords, who may either be used as a retinue, or can lead squads. The fun part though is that they don't count as IC, so they can't be singled out in CC.

oh i get it the necron lords help warriors in close combat so they can survive for longer. its a good idea necron warriors suck in CC.

what about crypteks are they basically the same?

Eternally Cursed Dice wrote:oh i get it the necron lords help warriors in close combat so they can survive for longer. its a good idea necron warriors suck in CC.

what about crypteks are they basically the same?

Yep. But they provide more of a support role. They can have wargear that buffs the squad, or have some nifty weapons that can bust vehicles or long range.

this was going to be asked eventually, how to we beat these "Matt Ward enhanced" super shooters? i mean they are like super Tau that wont die to anything short of a lascannon...then they will get back up.. :(