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Fluff update:

My Successor chapter's name is the Knights of Classic Lore. (I'm a member of the fraternity TKE and it means a lot to me.) The Knights are similar to the Knights of Blood in that they are a renegade chapter. Loyal to the Emperor, not to the imperium. The KoCL have been on their own for so long that they don't get much help from the rest of the imperium. The Knights go into battle in transports or move by jump packs.

Being a late founding chapter their geenseed is warped and twisted. The KoCL fall to the red thirst and black rage rather easily. "Though the Chapter once tried to adhere to the Codex Astartes, adjustments to the structure of their battle-companies were necessitated by their depleted numbers. High number of Death Company affected the battle company organization the most. Due to their bloodlust for close-combat, most if not all of the Knights prefer to deploy as dedicated assault troops instead of in a tactical role like most Codex-compliant Chapters."

I am going to steal the Chapter Combat Doctrine from the Warhammer40k.wikia.com and change a little.

"The Knights are considered by the military forces of the Imperium to be the epitome of a dedicated assault force. Those who have actually witnessed them in action report a Chapter consumed by savage butchery and carnage on an unparalleled scale. A KoCL force in combat seeks nothing more than to come to grips with an enemy in close combat so they can rend them apart in a hail of blood with Chainswords and Thunder Hammers and, if need be, their bare hands and teeth. As the Knights' barely controlled blood lust rises in battle, the chaplains and priests open the hatches of the vehicles and unleash the rest of the battle brothers. It is assumed that the Chapter has extremely limited vehicle resources which more often tend to be used as transports, since the Knights prefer to surge forwards and take the enemy with Bolt Pistols and melee weapons. Once unleashed, these bloody-handed Sons of Sanguinius will permit nothing to stand between themselves and the gratification they can only find in close combat. The few tech marines and chaplains have taken the most battle hardened marines and have entombed them in the dreads, both the Death company and the Furioso patterns. There have been many documented occasions when allied forces have found themselves the victims of the Knights' unrestrained savagery in combat. The Knights remain unrepentant to this day regarding these supposed incidents of fratricide. The reported carnage that usually followed a Knights engagement earned them the enmity of many an Imperial commander as well as of their fellow Astartes Chapters. This growing political wrath from many corners of the Imperium resulted in their continuing censure by the Inquisition and their ultimate status as Renegades following a decision of the High Lords of Terra arranged by the Chapter's many powerful political enemies."




C&C welcome. This is all a work in progress.

   
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Just a little update. Most of my 4688 is painted w/ at least 4 colors. The ones I haven't painted include my storm raven, a land raider, my dev squad, and a few touch ups here and there. I was stupid and volunteered my eldar to the game gods and I'm way behind on them to get them up and ready for the game... I will be losing sleep. Work has ran me ragged. I've been trying to get the golf course in good condition for a scramble this weekend. So after this will be crunch time.

   
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A million updates!

Looking good, really like the camo cloaks.

Also your scratch build chalice is simple but very effective. May have to steal that idea as well...

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Yeah, I've been working hard on my army. I have a week left and still have about 2000 points I need to get primed and base coated. Like I said above, I volunteered my eldar so they will get primed grey and a little blue on the armor. They are the only eldar on the field so they will be fine in 2 colors... Working hard to finish before friday afternoon. Feel free to subscribe to the apoc thread in my sig. I will have a ton of photos up there during and after this weekend.

   
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Hays, KS

You suck!
You have way more time to work on these than I do...

They look great, though.

And WAAAGH!!! Skipphag looks forward to pummelling your "sparkly Mehrens" this weekend...
The Kabal of the Empty Threat is mostly there for moral support of the orkz, not that Stompaz care about morale!

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" It says in the rules that if there are no models from one side left on the table, then that side has lost. What it DOESN'T say is that I can't pick my opponent's models up and throw them on the floor, so if I'm losing the game, all I have to do is pick my opponents models up and throw them on the floor, and then I WIN! YAY! Woohoo. Loophole: FOUND! "
by Sgt Sixkilla

13k WAAAGH!!! Skipphag
3k (Angels of Absolution); DV (Dark Angels); 3k (Fire Serpents - Salamander successor) & 2k Salamanders
75 (Death Korps)
3k (Kabal of the Twisted Razor), 4k Tau  
   
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Skipphag da Devoura wrote:You suck!
You have way more time to work on these than I do...

Yes I do. And I have a 5th of the models you have..

They look great, though.

Thanks,


And WAAAGH!!! Skipphag looks forward to pummelling your "sparkly Mehrens" this weekend...
The Kabal of the Empty Threat is mostly there for moral support of the orkz, not that Stompaz care about morale!


Don't think they care about support either... Looking forward to the game. Its going to be beyond crazy.

   
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Hays, KS

I need to get one of these started for my Orkyz... da WAAAGH!!! Skipphag...

And my Dark Eldar... the Kabal of the Empty Threat...

" It says in the rules that if there are no models from one side left on the table, then that side has lost. What it DOESN'T say is that I can't pick my opponent's models up and throw them on the floor, so if I'm losing the game, all I have to do is pick my opponents models up and throw them on the floor, and then I WIN! YAY! Woohoo. Loophole: FOUND! "
by Sgt Sixkilla

13k WAAAGH!!! Skipphag
3k (Angels of Absolution); DV (Dark Angels); 3k (Fire Serpents - Salamander successor) & 2k Salamanders
75 (Death Korps)
3k (Kabal of the Twisted Razor), 4k Tau  
   
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Rockville, Maryland

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Hey funkyh,
I'm afraid this is gonna be a long one, so get comfortable. I'm gonna start from the very first Marines you posted up and work my way up to the most recent posts. But before I even begin talking about your paint job, I have to talk about your bases. You have to pick something, at this point, ANYTHING. I don't care if you have Golden Daemon quality models, a blank base takes so much away from a painted model. You don't need to get fancy, Take a small container, topper wear or whatever, and head to Home Depot. Once there, steal a handful of sand from the many, many open sand bags. You can even get different size grains of sand. You can chop up your sprues to create rubble or buy some fish bowl gabble.
You can see here how much difference a finished base makes.



You don't need static grass or sand, you can use Plastruct HO Scale 1:100 diamond plate for an industrial base.



Or you can even do plain gravel or dirt/rock.


You can even buy some resin bases on ebay for around $0.70 per base, if you don't feel like making your own.

Here are somethings you're gonna need. Black Wash, 1mm drill (search for 1mm drill on ebay and get this one for less that $5)

Micro pen (optional)

Ok, let's start with these guys.


The Bad.
They look like a WIP. I literally see 3 colors, maybe 4. There is SO MUCH detail that you missed. The chest eagles, skulls, guns, purity seals, respirator hoses on helmets, joints, panels, helmet optics.
I see no highlights or shadows. It is a solid mass of red plastic with a few colored pieces.
Some of the poses are awkward. Only one of the Marines is looking in the direction that his Bolter is pointing. The rest look like they're distracted.
Both the Marines with grenades are looking straight ahead and not in the direction they're throwing to. They should both be looking left.
I don't like the way the first knife is being held. It's not natural.

The Good.
You seem to have a good, solid, smooth coat of red on your models. If you've read forums you know that red, yellow and white are notoriously difficult to paint, bu you seem to have nailed it.

The Fix.
Simple, more color and a wash. Wash the model in black and make sure you get the wash inside the armor panels, between the fingers, abdomen, etc.
Once wash is dry, go over it again with 50/50 red and water, making sure you leave the dark/shadow areas.
If you don't want do do a wash, you can use a micro pen to draw in the black lines.
Here's an example of both techniques.


You can see the clearly defined micro pen line on the shoulder pad, arms, fingers, knees and feet of the left model. The right model has the wash and you can see the more subtle, blended look of the wash, this is most noticeable on the shoulder pads and feet. You can really see the difference between the two.

At the absolute minimum, you have to paint the joints (back of knees, crotch, etc.) black. This will break up the solid red look to the models.
Paint the chest eagles dark grey, then carefully paint each individual feather lightest grey. Or if you're not up to painting individual feather, simply paint the entire eagle with the lightest grey and then give it a black wash.
I can't see the packs to well, but at the very least, the left one will need a touch up to clean off the red. I would suggest highlighting the pack with a mid grey.
You need to paint those guns black. If you want them red, you at least have to paint the bottom part and barrel in metal.
Moving on...


You see how some parts of the models weren't covered with the primer? That's cause it has release agent and they need to first be washed with soap and water.
I give my metal models about 5 very thin coats of black primer. By the 5th pass they will be completely covered. This is essential for metal models because they chip easily.



Not much to say here. If you're gonna use this as all the variants, you have to incorporate the colors better so it doesn't look like this...

If you're gonna make one leg blue, make them both blue. I would personally just paint the one I would use most often and just make sure people knew I was playing it as something else that day.
Blue, Black, and Red are so drastic, that it will be extremely hard to work these into one model.
I would paint the body, Furioso patter, then paint the arms with Talons DC black, The legs DC black with a Blue (Librarian) X instead of red, and I would paint the Librarian arms Blue.


First, let's start with the obvious. You jacked up the tracks. It's probably too late to start over, so you're gonna have to cut that track and cover it up with some Sgt loin cloths.
Needs color and/or shading. You can paint the exhausts, window vents, and tracks metal. Make sure you paint them brown first if you're doing gold, and black if you're doing silver, DO NOT paint any color directly over the red because the red will show through.
Headlights can be colored, top hatchets can be washed. I would give a brown or black wash to the metal front. I would even paint the side hatchets metal instead of red.
The white writing on top is too thick. Paint it over with red and start again, or better yet. Once you have the turret, put white hash marks on the side of the turret.
I'm not crazy with the white pigeon on the hood. White on silver does not look good. I would paint it solid bleach bone and then give it a brown wash and once dry, highlight it with bleached bone again.


The Bad.
His pose looks awkward as hell. Specifically his head. Look at the difference between the left GW marine and yours. They have nearly identical poses, but yours looks like he was just shot in the head and his body is lurching back. Looks very monotone. Are those straps brown? Metal needs a wash. Gun needs to be drilled out. Sword and gun need to be painted black, there's too much red as it is now.

The Good.
I love the way the jump pack came out around the back.

The Fix.
Look at this picture and look at all the detail. The dark panel lines on the thighs, the black on the joints (elbows, crotch, neck), the eagle on the chest.



Models are getting better now. They have more color and poses look better. You STILL need to base your models, though. The black power fist looks like it needs a touch up, I think I can still see some red underneath.


If this is your HQ, I think he should have more gold and be brighter than he is. The black pack need a ton of attention, I can see most of the red base. Eyes need to be green instead of red. The face mask should be washed.
You can paint the sword wings shadow grey and then highlight with white. Your Chapter Master should definitely be based.


Wings look great, but this guy does not fit the rest of the army. It looks like you started a second army. At the absolute minimum, I would paint his loin cloth red as well as the shoulder pads.



Face and hair looks bad. Paint hair dark grey and highlight with a lighter shade of grey. I know you're going for a light, vampire skin tone, but it does not look good. Try painting with the lightest gray then highlight with white with a hint of shadow grey. The whole model looks shinny. You need some Testor's Dull Cote. Black HAS to be highlighted otherwise it looks like an unpainted primed model.The Exhaust and intake part of the pack needs to be painted metal and then washed black. Metal bars on pack need to be touched up.



I have to be honest, I don't like the "superman" flying pose. That "pole" is too thick, too. A black painted paper clip would be more subtle. The white needs some work so it wont look so flat.



Cammo patter looks AWESOME!!! Colors, however, do not. The fourth scout has a much better color palette.




This is the opposite of all the others. There is too much color here! It looks like he's drinking beer at a Mardi Gras party. Tone it down some.The blue box on his pack and the cable on his right arm should be metal. Same goes for the light.




Well, it's still a WIP so there's ton to do to finish. I'm not crazy about the white chest, but that is simply my personal opinion. I think it would look better with a red torso and a white eagle. I know it's not done, but he helmet looks bad so far. When you paint gold, make sure you first base with brown.


Way too dirty looking. As a Chaplain, he should be using a skull/bone paint job on his helmet, and maybe the shoulder pad too.




Needs highlights like crazy. Needs more color. Some red "X" on knees, the red jewels, red eyes, What the hell is up with the green hair and black skin? I do not like that red skull on his chest. Gold or bright silver (Mythril) would look better, with a gold chain.




Again, this does not fit with the rest of the army. I know they're Vets, but it has too much purple. They look like a different army. Ease of on the purple, Maybe paint just the helmet and both shoulder pads?




Damn, I'm tired from all this typing. I hope this helps some. Go to youtube and search for "how to paint ___________" they have amazing tutorials on black armor, red armor, chaplains, dreadnoughts, etc.


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HE WHO FIGHTS BY MY SIDE, SHALL BE MY BROTHER!
 
   
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Thank you so much for this lengthy in depth review and critique.

   
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Here are some WIP of my eldar.
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Yellow w/ a red wash

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Hays, KS

You know... The Eldar are looking like an early Q1-13 release... And they're going to come out with all new models for everything... And all your old gimpy models will just look silly... And small... Or large, if you judge by Gretchin standards...
Then everyone will laugh at you, Carey, everyone will laugh!

I like the way the Fur Draggers are turning out... Hmmm, red wash on yellow looks like it would work for something that I'm doing...
Nice.

An' da Green Avatar... Is dat a 'onnerable menchun at da Orkiness uv Khaine?
Dat'z da way, uh-huh, uh-huh, we likez it!!

" It says in the rules that if there are no models from one side left on the table, then that side has lost. What it DOESN'T say is that I can't pick my opponent's models up and throw them on the floor, so if I'm losing the game, all I have to do is pick my opponents models up and throw them on the floor, and then I WIN! YAY! Woohoo. Loophole: FOUND! "
by Sgt Sixkilla

13k WAAAGH!!! Skipphag
3k (Angels of Absolution); DV (Dark Angels); 3k (Fire Serpents - Salamander successor) & 2k Salamanders
75 (Death Korps)
3k (Kabal of the Twisted Razor), 4k Tau  
   
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I figured an homage to the green tide would be a nice transition into the Turquoise Tide of my footdar. I look forward to the new release but will transition them in. I still want a couple casts of your old OOP harlequins, a little homage to older times of 40k.

   
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Rockville, Maryland

Spoiler:
D'oh!! Bad prime job here. The base almost looks textured. There are several reason this could have happened. Most likely you were holding the can too far away and the primer began to dry in mid air and that's why you have that textured, rough finish here. Less likely is that you didn't shake the can well enough (I shake for 3 minutes), you primed in damp/humid environment, or you have a bad can.
It looks so bad on camera, that I would seriously consider stripping them.




I like the color scheme here, but I see a ton of detail you've missed. I see a bunch of jewels (chest, forehead, swords, gauntlets) that you've missed.
Do you use GW gold paint? For some reason (maybe camera or flash), the gold looks glittery and sparkly. If you can get your hands on it, buy some Vallejo Liquid Gold. Either, Gold, Old Gold, or Rich Gold.
Vallejo LG has extremely fine particles and is suspended in an alcohol medium instead of water.
You can find it here... http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=cat&cre=hob-val&sou=cat
You have to base the area brown before you paint it gold.
The base needs to be painted in a different color. It blends in too much with the model. If you want, you can leave that color in the cracks so it looks like there's energy coming from beneath the floor.




Take a look at this one that was posted on www.coolminiornot.com. I like to pull of pics of stuff I'm working on and get ideas or try to copy from better painters.




The red armor looks good, but the helmet needs work. You should have first painted it with a foundation paint (or whatever the new GW equivalent is). The base/primer is still showing through.
Looking at your models, I would guess that you primed them either black or gray, then painted the entire thing yellow, then gave then whole thing a red wash, then painted then guns grey last.
You have to paint over a clean base. That means you'll have to paint the guns black, brown or some other solid color, before you can start to paint it.




This is guy definitely earns the Skittles award for armor colors. It's way over the top. It's almost Harlequin, but with out checkers or stripes.
I'm assuming that you want each weapon to be a different color, right? It just doesn't look good, thought. It just screams 'Rainbow Warrior".

Look at the left palm. See how it is a solid mass of purple?
You either need to first paint it a darker shade of purple and then what you have now, or paint it purple then give it a purple/black wash and highlight with the same color purple.
You also need better control of your brush. Loo



You've also missed a ton of detail on the guns. It looks like you were trying to go for a source lighting effect on the right shoulder gun (purple), but it just looks messy. It's not uniform, or translucent.
You need to make it look like there's light coming from the crystal. I think this is what you were going for...



Here are some pics to inspire you.




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Hays, KS

While we appreciate any, and all comments/criticisms on our works... Please keep in mind, that these are all Works In Progress... So, telling us that these look like a WIP, is really just redundant.

All of the advice given so far, has really helped!
Thank you.

" It says in the rules that if there are no models from one side left on the table, then that side has lost. What it DOESN'T say is that I can't pick my opponent's models up and throw them on the floor, so if I'm losing the game, all I have to do is pick my opponents models up and throw them on the floor, and then I WIN! YAY! Woohoo. Loophole: FOUND! "
by Sgt Sixkilla

13k WAAAGH!!! Skipphag
3k (Angels of Absolution); DV (Dark Angels); 3k (Fire Serpents - Salamander successor) & 2k Salamanders
75 (Death Korps)
3k (Kabal of the Twisted Razor), 4k Tau  
   
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As much as I enjoy the CMON pics, my quality and craftsmanship just isn't quite there. Thanks for your comments though. I will apply them the best I can to my work.

Well a little update. After the apoc game this weekend, I was reintroduced to airbrushing armies. The owner will be my roommate this coming fall for school so I will have him help me. I bought a predator w/ las load out, another land raider crusader, 10 termies (5 shooty, 5 assault), Tycho, lemartes, Razorback with dozer blade, 27 AoBR marines to use as tacs, and 10 devastators. I will post pics soon but they will be getting a new paint job come fall.

I have changed up the organization of the battle company to fit my fluff a little more.

4 Assault Squads
3 Tactical Squads
1 Mob of Death Company
2 Devastator Squads
4 Dreadnoughts

Plus the other support.

   
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This was my apoc force.

More pics here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/55275334@N08/sets/72157630822036124/
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Survivors after 4 turns of Apoc. Had to call

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Wow. That's a lot of models.

The game must've taken all day.

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Hays, KS

Fifteen and a half hours to be precise.

" It says in the rules that if there are no models from one side left on the table, then that side has lost. What it DOESN'T say is that I can't pick my opponent's models up and throw them on the floor, so if I'm losing the game, all I have to do is pick my opponents models up and throw them on the floor, and then I WIN! YAY! Woohoo. Loophole: FOUND! "
by Sgt Sixkilla

13k WAAAGH!!! Skipphag
3k (Angels of Absolution); DV (Dark Angels); 3k (Fire Serpents - Salamander successor) & 2k Salamanders
75 (Death Korps)
3k (Kabal of the Twisted Razor), 4k Tau  
   
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Skipphag da Devoura wrote:Fifteen and a half hours to be precise.


That was just 4 turns...


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New paint scheme. A buddy and I have decided to move my angels to a Flesh Tearer successor. They come to help in the 999. M41 battle where daemons and nids are attacking.

I was going to base them with these bases from Secret Weapon Miniatures:

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Oooh I really like those bases!

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Just thought I would update this. I have achieved my goal of modified Flesh Tearer battle company. [I am working on priests now but as far as the BC force orgs work, I think I'm good..]

I have off the top of my head with out going downstairs.
4 Assault Squads [3 jumppack, 1 footslog]
3 Tactical Squads
1 Mob of Death Company
2 Devastator Squads
3 Dreadnoughts
2 baal preds [1 flame 1 AC]
1 TL Las Pred
3 LR [crusader and then the other 2 are swappable Crusader/Redeemer]
Storm Raven
Drop Pod
Razorback

The army is 90% basecoated. I chose the gory red from vallejo for the dark red hue. Once I get my light box built I will post some pics.


My eldar have also been basecoated with the airbrush and are looking better than the grey.


Also, interesting development in my collecting. A buddy of mine is trying to save money to buy a house and won't have a room for his gaming/models. He was trying to sell off his armies and models to help raise money since he is a stay at home dad thats in the National guard. I bought his 1500 pt Thousand sons. They were basecoated blue. I have added a highlight to them. Finished 1 termi, 1 aspiring sorc, ahriman, 2 rhinos, and most of the land raider.


Like I said, photos hopefully by the weekend. To anyone that still follows this, thank you and to new followers, welcome.

   
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Sad news when people leave the hobby, but it does have a plus side as existing players get to make a nice catch on the loot.

In regard to the list, that must be a bucket load of points. Can't see a HQ either???

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I don't have all my support options in there. I have 15 termies, 3-4 chaplains reclusiarchs, I'll have 4-5 priests, Commander Seth, a couple of librarians. I'll post a full list sometime soon.


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Approximately 7000-7200 points and 152 models according to armybuilder.

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That's pretty sick.

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Pics of some of my 1 thousand sons.
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Kansas, USA

Liking what i see. Keep up the good work!

Fantastic idea to use that soulgrinder as a defiler btw.

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"You cannot dream yourself into a character; you must hammer and forge yourself one"
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Current Armies -

Grey Knights - 8,000
Imperial Guard - 2,000
Plague Marines - 2,000 +
Minotaurs - 2,000 
   
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Update now that I have a new photo area. Looking for feedback.
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Double post...

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Update number 2
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Made in us
Ork Boy Hangin' off a Trukk





Hays, KS

Not enough light in a few pics... Sad face...

They look tight, though...

And, no, you may not have a Dark Talon!!!!
Dark Angels ONLY!!!!

" It says in the rules that if there are no models from one side left on the table, then that side has lost. What it DOESN'T say is that I can't pick my opponent's models up and throw them on the floor, so if I'm losing the game, all I have to do is pick my opponents models up and throw them on the floor, and then I WIN! YAY! Woohoo. Loophole: FOUND! "
by Sgt Sixkilla

13k WAAAGH!!! Skipphag
3k (Angels of Absolution); DV (Dark Angels); 3k (Fire Serpents - Salamander successor) & 2k Salamanders
75 (Death Korps)
3k (Kabal of the Twisted Razor), 4k Tau  
   
 
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