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The Dark Angels codex is rather handicapped against the Vanilla codex. Black Templars don't need a new codex, their rules issues have been solved with the FAQ/errata update.

I think it's going to go...

Squats---Genestealer Cults---Space Skaven---MLP---Chaos MLP

I think the next army up is either Tau, DA or BT in early 2012 (~February). My money is on Tau, especially with BT and DA getting a major update in the FAQ.

Then, we'll see 6th edition in the summer (~June). Shortly after that, Chaos Legions (~August) and Chaos Traitors (WD in ~September and October).

Then, in early 2013, we'll see Tau (if they weren't in 2012) or Eldar (I doubt they'll do another SM army after the duel CSM releases. And, Daemons is out due to all the Chaos releases.)

I guess the real question is, will we actually see an addition of 40k that doesn't get an immediate SM codex?

Shrike325 wrote:I really hope they wait for Tau for after 6th. It'd be nice to have a relevant codex for awhile.

Nah, they'll be fine. I think Necrons was clearly written for 6th edition and will work fine in it (like 4th/5th Orks). The next codex will be even more ready for 6th.

Brother SRM wrote:

thechr1s wrote:ELDAR!!!! Written by MAT WARD! Featuring:Iyanden and Ork team up against the Necrons
or how Eldrad carves his name into Angron's heart with his staff.In all seriousness please update Eldar
and cut the points on EVERYTHING.

Please, please lurk more. This kind of posting is awful and tiresome. Regardless, Eldar are Phil Kelly's baby so when they get rewritten it will be by him.

IIRC, Phil mentioned recently that he likely won't get Eldar again, since he wrote the last book and it would feel pretty damn wierd to him re-writing his own work. Plus, he doesn't want to get labled as 'the eldar guy' either.

I'd kind of like a new CSM codex but I'm not sure I want MW getting his hands on it - better the devil you know......

iom xeno iom xeno iom xeno

we had a xeno so it'll indoubtably be iom (or chaos marines)

chaos space marines dark angels, or black templar

hopefully in that order

for xeno in between hoping for tau then eldar then orks

More specifically it's "Space Marines, Xenos, Space Marines, Xenos, Space Marines, Xenos, Etc..." with the sole exception of Imperial Guard which was released in between Codex: Space Marines and Codex: Space Wolves. It almost never varies from that pattern, so if you take that into account, along with the rumors that Chaos will be released with 6th edition much like Vanilla Marines were released last edition, we will see either Black Templars or Dark Angels early next year, followed by Tau in the spring (they have seen the most rumors), followed by 6th edition and Chaos Space Marines in the summer, and another Xenos codex in the fall (Eldar or Orks most likely), and another Vanilla Space Marines codex in the winter.

The only deviation I see from this is them possibly switching the Eldar/Orks release for Space Marines to push the book out sooner. They ALWAYS release a new Space Marines book within a year of a new edition, so they invariably will have a new one shortly after 6th edition comes out, but I think Chaos is going to be first for that edition.

Well, the release schedule has been (since 3rd edition):

Space Marines (SM) 10/98
Xenos (Dark Eldar) 11/98
Space Marines (BA) 12/98
Space Marines (CSM) 2/99
Space Marines (DA) 5/99
Other (Assassins) 7/99
Xenos (Orks) 7/99
Xenos (Eldar) 8/99
Other (IG) 11/99
Other (Catachans) 2/00
Space Marines (SW) 4/00
Xenos (Craftworld) 6/00
Xenos (Tyranids) 2/01
Xenos (Tau) 10/01
Xenos (Necrons) 7/02
Space Marines (CSM) 10/02
Space Marines (Daemonhunters) 3/03
Other (IG) 9/03
Xenos (DE) 11/03
Other (Witch Hunters) 4/04
Space Marines (SM) 11/04
Xenos (Tyranids) ?/05
Space Marines (Black Templar) 11/05
Xenos (Tau Empire) 3/06
Xenos (Eldar) 11/06
Space Marines (DA) 3/07
Space Marines (BA) 7/07
Space Marines (CSM) 9/07
Xenos (Orks) 1/08
Xenos (Daemons) 5/08
Space Marines (SM) 10/08
Other (IG) 5/09
Space Marines (SW) 10/09
Xenos (Tyranids) 1/10
Space Marines (BA) 4/10
Xenos (Dark Eldar) 11/10
Space Marines (Grey Knights) 4/11
Other (Sisters of Battle) 9/11
Xenos (Necrons) 11/11

So, the longest we've seen the pattern of SM/Xenos/SM has been 5 in a row from 10/09 through 4/11. In fact, the example you gave that ended in "etc" was longer than we've ever actually seen this "pattern".

A codex followed by the opposite of Xenos/SM has happened 14 times. Meanwhile, we've seen a Xenos/SM codex followed by the same type 11 times. That means it's almost as likely a "pattern" to say that they'll release a Xenos codex over and over again as it is to call a SM/Xenos/SM/Xenos a valid pattern.

So, please, everyone, let's put this myth of Xenos/SM/Xenos to rest. It's simply not true.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:The Dark Angels codex is rather handicapped against the Vanilla codex. Black Templars don't need a new codex, their rules issues have been solved with the FAQ/errata update.

Are you crazy? They do infact need a new codex. BT champion aint uniqe anymore since you can just buy a relic blade from vanilla codex. and 2 out of 4 vows are no longer valid or working with 5th edition rules.

Black templars also has 50% less toys then all other space marines codexs. just saying...

The old codex is allso full of bad wordings and rules that you may only find salutions trough FAQ's.

I rather not see them get a new cheesy codex like GK but they do need an overhaul!

What I hope: Tau> 6th ed+ Chaos Legions> Eldar> 'Nids> Guard> Daemons> Renegades.

What I think: Space Marines> Space Marines A> Space Marines B> Tau> Space Marines C> Space Marines D.

akkados wrote:
I rather not see them get a new cheesy codex like GK but they do need an overhaul!

GK aren't cheesy. Templars do need an overhaul though.

Brother SRM wrote:

akkados wrote:
I rather not see them get a new cheesy codex like GK but they do need an overhaul!

GK aren't cheesy. Templars do need an overhaul though.

We do, but not as badly as the Tau. I'd be fine with them getting updated first.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

akkados wrote:
I rather not see them get a new cheesy codex like GK but they do need an overhaul!

GK aren't cheesy. Templars do need an overhaul though.

We do, but not as badly as the Tau. I'd be fine with them getting updated first.

Also known as the, "Yes, by all means, please give Tau the Dark Angels' former position as the last codex released before the new edition so that we can get a proper, new-edition codex," approach.

Which I'm completely on board with, for the record.

Brother SRM wrote:

akkados wrote:
I rather not see them get a new cheesy codex like GK but they do need an overhaul!

GK aren't cheesy. Templars do need an overhaul though.

Try playing as Daemons vs GK's without a fatecrusher/fatefiend build... GK's have laughably bad external balance and are easily the most extreme codex right now. (at least they're not quite fantasy daemons bad!)



Templars need more re-inforcement of their zealous nature imho. More religious trinkets & sheethed swords/daggers adorning their armour, more relics being carried about, mandetory neophytes in crusader squads, more burning torches!
I think it's only fitting too that Templar players should be exclaiming, "God wills it!" every time they assault a heretical enemy.

I'd honestly like to see more taberds & scrolls and less robes on the templars... Leave the monastic warrior-monk look to those sad panda Dark Angels.

Dark Angels had their codex drop well before 5th, unless you mean they were the last codex before 4th edition, in which case you are still incorrect. I'm more than happy to see Tau be the last codex of 5th, first of 6th, or whatever. I'll just be happy to see them.

Experiment 626 wrote:
I think it's only fitting too that Templar players should be exclaiming, "God wills it!" every time they assault a heretical enemy.

Wait, there are Black Templars players that don't?! KILL THEM WITH FIRE! DEUS VULT!

I have heard that Tau are written and ready, with sculpts done, etc. Mind you that was true of Necrons and lots of people doubted the November release!

I have also heard that Eldar will be one of the very first 6th ed codex releases, if not the first. Allegedly GW think they are still pretty competitive right now.

In pure terms of need the Tau need a codex, yesterday!

Well they JUST put out a new codex for a xenos army so next is a space marine chapter so next is Probably Sisters of Battle and the inquisition or something like that or Dark Angels. Than Tau than the other from the two I mentioned than Eldar. Than six edition rules with Space marines Vanilla and Orks updated at the same time.

Than a new army we never seen before like Space Lizards or Skaven or something even newer than that. Than two years of nothing but printing models from codex they have not done before that we had to make ourselfs for all these years and than back to reprinting old codex after 7th edition rules comes out.

I keep seeing rumors floating around of the 6th ed box being Chaos vs Eldar, so presumably they'll be pretty early in 6th. I'd expect either Templars or Tau to be next.

MandalorynOranj wrote:I keep seeing rumors floating around of the 6th ed box being Chaos vs Eldar, so presumably they'll be pretty early in 6th. I'd expect either Templars or Tau to be next.

I thought it was set to be DA vs Chaos

No, but i believe it is BT>TAU>6th EDITION>CHAOS LEGIONS
i think thats the most accurate view, considering all the rumours around.

Tau should be the next codex. I think they're too weak. I see so many battle reports where the Tau player does everything right and gets demolished. I don't play them as them and probably never will but I think gamesworkshop should take Tau as a priority over a space marine chapter.

I would find it awesomely funny if they secretly pushed orks for a new codex, but it would seem that Templars or Tau will be next in line maybe.

Field Gen wrote:Well they JUST put out a new codex for a xenos army so next is a space marine chapter so next is Probably Sisters of Battle and the inquisition or something like that or Dark Angels. Than Tau than the other from the two I mentioned than Eldar. Than six edition rules with Space marines Vanilla and Orks updated at the same time.

Than a new army we never seen before like Space Lizards or Skaven or something even newer than that. Than two years of nothing but printing models from codex they have not done before that we had to make ourselfs for all these years and than back to reprinting old codex after 7th edition rules comes out.

Sisters aren't a Space Marine chapter. They also just recently got a lacking WD release, so I wouldn't count on it. Dark Angels are probably way out. They won't update two armies at the same time either, and I doubt Marines and Orks will be the starter two times in a row.

Given the number of "definitive" answers people are giving here, I think it's safe to say nobody has any clue. No reliable rumormongers have said anything particularly telling, so we've just got to wait.

I think it's probably going to go BT>Tau>6th>Legions>SM

At least that's what I'm hoping. I'm fairly eager to see what 6th and Chaos legions has in store for us.

Iv heard that the next one is Tau, early January!!!!!!

I truly, sincerely doubt that.

RAVEN 97 wrote:Iv heard that the next one is Tau, early January!!!!!!

Try again.
January is all but confirmed to be Vampire Counts. (the proof being that only the US/Can site is still selling the army book - everywhere else it's 'no longer available')

Didn't Harry or BramGaunt or one of the reputable rumor mongers state that they've seen a couple finished Templar sets?! IIRC, they've been done "for awhile" but they're just waiting on a release window.


IMHO, the books that really *NEED* help right now are;
- Tau (like VC's, they have fairly cookie-cutter builds if they want to compete)
- Dark Angels (they have no indentity anymore and outside of the multiwings, all their stuff is ludicruously over costed)
- Chaos Marines (or rather, codex: spiky marines with random rules!)
- Chaos Daemons (worst army right now in the current meta, and our deployment is BS)
- Sisters (who need a re-boot ala dark eldar/necrons)

Everyone else can make do for now, but those should honestly be the next armies if you're looking at actual functionality in-game AND model support.