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There probably are videogames, but like the rest of the entertainment in 40k they are probably state-controlled, and rigged such that you can only play as the imperium, and the imperium always wins.

IIRC there was an old novel about a rogue trader called 'Eye of Terror' where he flies into the eye of terror to get some goods etc. Due to some slaaneshi-built gemstone thingy he puts under his pillow if he dreams of something he finds it under his bunk when he wakes. In one dream, he dreams about a toy his friend had as a child, which is like rock'em sock'em robots, but with a SM and a CSM duking it out with chainswords, and when you land a blow parts of the models fly off, but it's rigged so the SM always wins.

If they make rigged toys, then I'm sure if they have video games, they would also be rigged (Imagine like C&C, but if the GDI ever come close to defeat they get access to a superweapon that insta-kills all the NOD on the battlefield as a 'desperation measure' special power type thing)

Leigen_Zero wrote:There probably are videogames, but like the rest of the entertainment in 40k they are probably state-controlled, and rigged such that you can only play as the imperium, and the imperium always wins.

IIRC there was an old novel about a rogue trader called 'Eye of Terror' where he flies into the eye of terror to get some goods etc. Due to some slaaneshi-built gemstone thingy he puts under his pillow if he dreams of something he finds it under his bunk when he wakes. In one dream, he dreams about a toy his friend had as a child, which is like rock'em sock'em robots, but with a SM and a CSM duking it out with chainswords, and when you land a blow parts of the models fly off, but it's rigged so the SM always wins.

If they make rigged toys, then I'm sure if they have video games, they would also be rigged (Imagine like C&C, but if the GDI ever come close to defeat they get access to a superweapon that insta-kills all the NOD on the battlefield as a 'desperation measure' special power type thing)

The Imperium is not the soviet union you know. Corporations and guilds do exist that do their own thing as long as its done in the Emp's name or follows the law for the most part.

If I can see a video game in 40k it be ping-pong or Tetris, a game thats completely neutral and a lot of fun. Still even if they're stated controlled they can still be fun. Parks also exist for children to play at.

There are video games but because its grim dark you can't save your game!

And they have first person shooters, but the AI is terrible...Geddit!

Ever head of Warhammer 2k?

Okay, seriously now, probably some worlds have videogames that advertise the imperium as a mighty unstoppable force and picture xenos as monsters or something. Maybe something like Call of Duty with Imperial Guard?

There shall be no video games as AI is heretical and abhorred, you shall all be purged.

Magos, send in the Skitarii

Yes, Inquisitor. Blessed be the Omnissiah

Jihadnik wrote:There are video games but because its grim dark you can't save your game!

I once bought a PS2 without the memory cards so I couldn't save my game progress and yet I still had fun.

And they have first person shooters, but the AI is terrible...Geddit!

How is this grimdark and bad?

There are lots of different kinds of worlds in the Imperium. Quite a few of them are lousy places to live. But a number of them are halfway decent.

Of course, the Imperium is probably planning to increase the tithes from the latter...



In any event, video games or perhaps similar but more technologically advanced forms of entertainment more than likely exist in some areas of the Imperium. And I suspect that not all of them are rigged to let the Imperium always win. In games that feature more significant (i.e. from a moral or spiritual point of view) there probably is a certain amount of tipping the scales in favor of the player involved. But against others things might be a bit more balanced, relying purely on the fact that the player is a real human as opposed to a simplistic AI in order to give the player his or her edge.

In short -

Power hungry rebels actually might present a challenge, even though the player always has a decent chance to win.
Mutants, heretics, and similar traitors are portrayed as weaklings whom the player effortlessly crushes.
Remotely accurate depictions of aliens and/or the Ruinous Powers get a visit by the Inquisition to find out how the software developer knows things that he or she shouldn't know.

Eumerin wrote:There are lots of different kinds of worlds in the Imperium. Quite a few of them are lousy places to live. But a number of them are halfway decent.

There are decent worlds in the Imperium but one of those types are the Agri-worlds and I doubt the people here would like to live on those worlds cause of all the farm work or worlds that are utterly boring.

Of course, the Imperium is probably planning to increase the tithes from the latter...

It depends on the whim of the Administratum.

In any event, video games or perhaps similar but more technologically advanced forms of entertainment more than likely exist in some areas of the Imperium. And I suspect that not all of them are rigged to let the Imperium always win. In games that feature more significant (i.e. from a moral or spiritual point of view) there probably is a certain amount of tipping the scales in favor of the player involved. But against others things might be a bit more balanced, relying purely on the fact that the player is a real human as opposed to a simplistic AI in order to give the player his or her edge.

In short -

Power hungry rebels actually might present a challenge, even though the player always has a decent chance to win.
Mutants, heretics, and similar traitors are portrayed as weaklings whom the player effortlessly crushes.
Remotely accurate depictions of aliens and/or the Ruinous Powers get a visit by the Inquisition to find out how the software developer knows things that he or she shouldn't know.

Why not Tetris and Ping-Pong?

Blast it people, the Imperium is not as monolithic and authoritarian as you are acting like it is. Stop perpetuating this. There are tens of millions of unique cultures, art styles, music, governments, organizations, etc. The Imperium itself is actually very 'hands off' when it comes to it's rule, much like the roman empire it is based off of. It's rules are simple: pay your tithe, hand over your psykers, do what the inquisition says, worship the Emperor.

From there individual planets have all the diversity you could ever dream of. Corporate governments, democracies, dictatorships, feudalism, communist worlds, whatever kind of government they want, so long as they follow the rules. Their cultures can be whatever you want too: pleasure worlds, modern worlds, cyber-punk worlds, roman/greek tech levels, medieval, etc.

So YES, there are video games, from consoles to holodecks to direct brain stimulation, depending on the tech level of the world. And heresy/tech-heresy is not typically immediately stamped out, especially when there are wars going on and if it doesn't pose an immediate threat. Worlds have succeeded from the empire and gone centuries, even millenia in some cases without being noticed, completely forgetting the empire, only to be rudely awakened when a tithe fleet appears in orbit.

Finally, video game AI is not in any way the same thing as an abominable intelligence. It's just simple algorithms, which they have no issue with. No tech-heresy here.

Until the tech-level represented in the 40k fluff indicates holograms and hard-light technology that even closely approximates reality, I don't think there are any holodecks.

Further, until we see something in the fluff that says that there are video games, I'm inclined to believe that there aren't any. The technological level is certainly there, but the AdMech hasn't bothered with building one, because it doesn't directly serve their purposes. While there are private manufacturing concerns, all of their blueprints and tech-specs are rented from the Mechanicus. The Mechanicus, in turn, bases most of their technology on recovered STC Templates, or natural progression of a pre-existing design (like Astartes power armor). If there's no Nintendo STC, then the AdMech is not likely to go building a Nintendo for grins & giggles.

The cultures of the million worlds in the Imperium doesn't matter so much, really, because the AdMech controls most of the technology, and is a fairly universal constant across the Imperium.

Psienesis wrote:Until the tech-level represented in the 40k fluff indicates holograms and hard-light technology that even closely approximates reality, I don't think there are any holodecks.

You're welcome.

That's a two-dimensional image. I know the Imperium has hologram technology, as it's often featured on Naval starships and other such places for tactical overviews and such, but as you can tell by looking at that image, there's absolutely *nothing* realistic about them. They're obviously computer-generated 16-bit images created over a simple green representation of a planet.... probably even in false-3D.

A holodeck, as from the Star Trek universe, is so real it's indistinguishable from real life except when one pushes themselves to the limits of the safety features, such as when attempting battle re-enactments or fighting dangerous beasts or the like. The Imperium has nothing like this capability. The hologram devices they *do* have require entire teams of Engine-seers and such to operate, and are often described as "hissing, steam-leaking devices of arcane and ancient technologies".

What you've pictured there is a hologram produced by a computer running on a pre-Windows IBM operating system circa 1983 with a VGA monitor and two 5 and 1/4 inch floppy disk drives.

They have a version of Mario in which you play as Ollanius Pius jumping over various Daemons and CSMs in order to pass through Horus' battlebarge, defeat Horus and rescue the Prince-, I mean, Emperor.

Henners91 wrote:They have a version of Mario in which you play as Ollanius Pius jumping over various Daemons and CSMs in order to pass through Horus' battlebarge, defeat Horus and rescue the Prince-, I mean, Emperor.

Can I put that in my sig please?

Psienesis wrote:That's a two-dimensional image. I know the Imperium has hologram technology, as it's often featured on Naval starships and other such places for tactical overviews and such, but as you can tell by looking at that image, there's absolutely *nothing* realistic about them. They're obviously computer-generated 16-bit images created over a simple green representation of a planet.... probably even in false-3D.

A holodeck, as from the Star Trek universe, is so real it's indistinguishable from real life except when one pushes themselves to the limits of the safety features, such as when attempting battle re-enactments or fighting dangerous beasts or the like. The Imperium has nothing like this capability. The hologram devices they *do* have require entire teams of Engine-seers and such to operate, and are often described as "hissing, steam-leaking devices of arcane and ancient technologies".

What you've pictured there is a hologram produced by a computer running on a pre-Windows IBM operating system circa 1983 with a VGA monitor and two 5 and 1/4 inch floppy disk drives.

In your opinion.

Anyway, who cares about Star trek. I never mentioned it so why do you mention it?

I have to disagree with you cause all I see is 3D hologram in the same vein of Star wars but superior. There are no pictures, the just decided to color in the green parts.

Like this:




Here is how I think its projected:



The hologram begins at 1:30. Yes its not official and not from the "Holy Codex", thus some people like Lynata will complain , but I don't give a crap.


This are the one's you're talking about:

TheAngrySquig wrote:

Henners91 wrote:They have a version of Mario in which you play as Ollanius Pius jumping over various Daemons and CSMs in order to pass through Horus' battlebarge, defeat Horus and rescue the Prince-, I mean, Emperor.

Can I put that in my sig please?

Go ahead

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Anyway, who cares about Star trek. I never mentioned it so why do you mention it?

Because my original refutation, which you quoted, was in response to this post:

So YES, there are video games, from consoles to holodecks to direct brain stimulation, depending on the tech level of the world. And heresy/tech-heresy is not typically immediately stamped out, especially when there are wars going on and if it doesn't pose an immediate threat. Worlds have succeeded from the empire and gone centuries, even millenia in some cases without being noticed, completely forgetting the empire, only to be rudely awakened when a tithe fleet appears in orbit.

Again, all of the images you've linked are like 16-bit graphics, which I know full well the Imperium has. Again, this does not a holodeck make. Green/black monitors and wire-frame animation? Yeah... not going to make a VR Sim out of those.