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PDF are not really incompetent. In fact they actually are pretty good if you think about it. Yes they die a lot, but their main purpose is to maintain peace on their planet and in the event one of the big nasites of the universe attack they are to hold the line until reinforcements come. Oh, by the way, most reinforcements take at least a year to get there, warpspace travel and all, so if the PDF holds out that long, that's pretty impressive.

Think about it this way, most planets will only be attacked by a big nasty every couple of hundred years perhaps more, simply because there are just so many planets. The PDF on these planets will be putting down the odd rebellion and in general acting a lot like our current day armies. Now think for a minute that if the imperial tithe takes the top 10% of a planets PDF each year, that means that the other 90% sticks around. Further those soldiers are spread out across the whole planet, already hunkered in and have the home ground advantage. They then manage to hold off things that require super humans to defeat for the time it takes for those super humans to get there. Of course, fighting for their own home also counts for a lot.

With regard to books, there is a Cain book where he leads an army made entirely of PDF and civilians against an ork Waaagh. They can be made for interesting stories. However, most writers prefer to write about their own favorite faction. So, unfortunately the PDF have to take a back seat to the books heroes.

Lastly with regards to them turning to chaos, PDF would be influence by the popular cultures of the planet. So if the civilians fell to chaos, inevitably the PDF would also be turned. Also in such cases the corruption is very slow and takes a long time to slowly turn everyone. As for attacking planetary governors, each planet in the imperium is essentially independent, that does not mean that each planet is politically stable. The PDF would handle all normal inner planet military matters even if there are two factions fighting against each other. The imperium does not care as long as all exports and tithes are met. Similarly, the Imperium does not really care who is governor as long as again the tithes and exports are met. As such, PDF can have an insurrection, and probably do, without the imperium as a whole really noticing.

Anyone else noticed that traitor or rebel PDF forces usually massacre the Imperial guard? Like in the Voystroyan novel.
"We are the most elite Guard regiment in the galaxy.... But we are getting our modified arses handed to us by rebel PDF whose planet has been stuck in an iceage and who have never fought someone else then us. And we are the elite "

Space Crusader wrote:Anyone else noticed that traitor or rebel PDF forces usually massacre the Imperial guard? Like in the Voystroyan novel.
"We are the most elite Guard regiment in the galaxy.... But we are getting our modified arses handed to us by rebel PDF whose planet has been stuck in an iceage and who have never fought someone else then us. And we are the elite "

Maybe because Guard Regiment count from 3.000 - 300.000 men and PDF are larger + they have defense stations that Guard must seize.

The PDF on that world did not have any siege defences. They had old tech since the Imperium abandoned them.

You seem to be forgetting that the Vostroyans had more important enemies to worry about, like the Orks.

A bleeding PDF that has old equipment. The PDF are usually the most bleeding incompetent men in the armed forces of the Imperium.

Well if Siege Of Vraks has told us PDF can be a brutal force in defence of thier planet when they turn renegade.

It took them 17 years to finally beat them and that was only because of exterminatus

Mind you they did get help from chaos legions....

If GW writers had any sense of scale then they would know that problems that overwhelm an entire planet's worth of PDF ( assuming that even a normal civilised world ( perhaps 1-10 billion people? ) can easily exceed 100million+ PDF soldiers if we consider mandatory conscription ) cannot be solved by a few dozen Guard regiments.

They do make models for PDF, they are the exact same as IG as far as basic weapons and armor. Expect less heavy weapons and less tanks. If you want one, just run really big platoons and be sure to include conscripts.

Depends a lot on training. A PDF formed entirely out of trained veterans would fare much better than a PDF formed out of a bazillion rookies. Then again, a bazillion rookies are still a bazillion guns.

Belexar wrote:Depends a lot on training. A PDF formed entirely out of trained veterans would fare much better than a PDF formed out of a bazillion rookies. Then again, a bazillion rookies are still a bazillion guns.

Oh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!!!

Horde can be very dangerous unless you have the right means.

Mal the Wolf wrote:Escaped kittens, the PDF tried to respond and were killed to a man. lol
But yes they do seem very ineffective.

Overgrowth of dandelions, the PDF tried to respond and were killed to a man.

CrashCanuck wrote:

Mal the Wolf wrote:Escaped kittens, the PDF tried to respond and were killed to a man. lol
But yes they do seem very ineffective.

Overgrowth of dandelions, the PDF tried to respond and were killed to a man.

Large dust bunnies in the barracks, the PDF tried to respond and were killed to a man.

A new meme was born in the Dakka Dakka forums, the PDF tried to respond and were killed to a man.

Also, post nomber 666! Woot!

Belexar wrote:A new meme was born in the Dakka Dakka forums, the PDF tried to respond and were killed to a man.

Yeah I kind of help started a meme or somthing.

xxmatt85 wrote:Yeah I kind of help started a meme or somthing,

the PDF tried to respond and were killed to a man.

...I'm amazed you didn't write that in!

People were joking about the incompetence of the PDF.



The PDF tried to respond and were killed to a man.

The PDF tried to respond to the PDF already responding, but were killed to a man.

There was a rash of un-returned library books in the underhive, the PDF tried to respond and were killed to a man.

Skyrim released in the hive, the PDF tried to respond and were killed to a man. By dragons.

Oh, I thought it'd be the rabid gamers trambling them to death like they did that poor walmart worker a few years back.

It was taco night in the hive, the PDF tried to respond and were killed to a man.

Twillight was released in Primary Hive. Large groups of teen girls stormed the shops. The PDF tried to respond and were killed to a man.

Live ammunition was issued to the PDF.......and they were killed to a man.

The PDF were issued flashlights for training. It went overboard and they were killed to a man.

A mandatory shaving edict was issued to the PDF...and they were killed to a man...before breakfast chow.

The Ugenokers PDF found a Cadian mag showing hard faced cadian women strip... And they were killed to a man.

News Flash

The PDF was found to be incompetant, the PDF responded and were killed to a man.

The PDF tried to respond to this thread, but were killed to a man.

And then the Space Marines responded and cleared up the situation with no casualities, but Brother Bob suffered a scratched paint job to his left shinguard when he kicked one of the dead PDF troopers.